SFBryan18 wrote: »

No.

monkeymystic wrote: »

First off, Templars have a longer lasting reflect abilty than dks (Templar 6 seconds vs DK 4 seconds).
Unstable Core > DK reflect.
The DK reflect is even bugged and drains resources, while the templar reflect does not. Templar wins by a long shot in terms of reflecting spells.

Secondly, my Breath of Life heal on my templar is spammable, heals 2 other targets as well, and currently heals for much more than the dragon blood on my DK.
Breath of Life heals can also crit and does not have dimishing returns, while dragon blood can not crit and has dimishing returns.
Breath of Life > Dragon blood.

(my Breath of Life on my Templar always heals for 1000, while dragon blood on my DK heals between 50-690 depending on amount of health left)

You can achieve much better self healing numbers using resto staff and healing springs (which also heal your group and cost much less) than using dragon blood.

Those who think dragon blood is so good does not play DKs and know the reality in that it can't crit like other heals, has dimishing returns and heals for less than many other heals in the game (breath of life (templar), healing springs (resto) etc).

DKs do not have any range, like all other classes do. Yet they do not have more powerful abilities like you seem to *think*.

You saying they need to nerf Templars even harder then, or what? I think they should not nerf any of them.
But I enjoy have 28 meter range class abilities on my templar a lot more than having none on my DK and getting forced in melee.


Sorc and NB range casters are currently the best thing to play in pvp, with Sorc being the top.
If you have been paying any attention to PVP you will know that NBs have become extremely powerful with range spells combined with cloak for the best survival in pvp (no heals can compete with not being able to be seen or attacked). Sorc are very strong, but thats no news.


Templars are going to be strong with the changes today as well (the new nova will hurt, same with biting jabs being stronger).
Templars never were weak in PvP.
There are bad players who will struggle no matter what however.
If you can't compete as a templar in PVP currently, you are doing something seriously wrong.

I suggest you actually try the DK out first, and see if you enjoy being stuck in melee with no 28 meter class abilities, no escape abilities, and getting kited by the 3 other classes

I will definately play my Templar a lot more than my DK after this patch.
If DKs get nerfed any further the game will just see a very high drop in that class (majority already play NB and Sorc in ESO).

There is currently no reason to roll a DK melee instead of a Templar melee for example.
The last changes have made Templars better tanks with their ultimate buff (dmg reduction), they are superior healers, have strong self heals, hard hitting puncturing strikes (with self heal now) and they also have buffed range abilities.

Calling nerfs on the only class in ESO with ZERO range, ZERO escape, and ZERO class benefits (after all the nerfs) does not sound right.

snipeopsub17_ESO wrote: »

BS, If a class is soloing (working) content designed for groups it's overpowered.

Squarcle wrote: »

Lyall84 wrote: »

AelyinESO wrote: »

No.

BrassRazoo wrote: »

So there is no "NO" option.
Give us all a break and go ruin something else.

No. Stop NERFING.

I'm seeing MANY NB, killing many SORC and DK's really easy in PVP.

I won't vote since they'r only "brainwashing options", some day (and soon) people will start to make pools:

Do NB and Templars need a NERF?

I agree that some classes especially Templars need some "upgrades" but soon, after tons of complains NB and Templars will be OP.

We need BALANCE classes, not a better one.

NB is only good for like, stealth to one target dead. Throw them in the middle of a huge firefight, we are constantly trying to find a place to run away.

Can I kill any class 1v1 of same level and equipment quality, easily and in 10 seconds or less? If I have the prep time and attack from stealth, yes. If the two of us square off and go straight at each other? No, not against any class exept maybe another NB. Any time I am in that situation, I cloak, run, set back up for a situation that is more advantageous. That is how Nightblades play and are designed.

Nightblades cannot, in any build, run into a group of people, wipe them, and walk away victorious. DKs could. Do I think that warrents a nerf? Have no clue, but they are designed to AoE and survive, so as far as I am concerned, playing as they designed.

As far as balanced classes? All for it, 100% agree. But every time they tweak the balance, we don't need all this doom and gloom about the end of my class.

Voice your concerns? By all means, but at the same time, you cant tell me that mere hours after the patch goes live you already know that Templar/NB buffs are too much and DK nerfs are too strong.

We have to see how it actually plays out after a week or two.

a v12 sorc in wabbajack server just went 30v1 for over an hour getting multiple kills some sabra ali emperor guy, never dropped below 3500 hp, spamming self heals, shields, and bolt stuns 2 hitting anyone he did shards and critical charge to. dropping multiple dispels before the other 1 even finished.

another guy v12 DK is running around full naked with no weapons with nothing more than fire whip and dragons blood solo killing people in wabbajack server AT OUR KEEPS.

SFBryan18 wrote: »

kaferlander wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

No.

No.

No.

Squarcle wrote: »

is it just me or did a group of people who rerolled DK and sorcs come here to act like NB and Templar are OP so they don't get taken down from their "I only need 2 buttons on my bar to kill a group of people" position?

Squarcle wrote: »

lets be honest a tank shouldn't walk in into an army and walk out full hp. and a sorc shouldn't have a spammable high damage max range execute that still drops u in 2-3 hits when your maximum lightning resistance due to robe passives.

1. make the DK scary up close, that's fine, but why make him invincible to anyone any distance? id be fine if you made spells 20m+ away still pierce him, but anything? ridiculous. even my arrows are thrown back at me. they just keep it up the whole fight and you cant fight back with melee due to another reflect with mass AOE damages when your close to him, so wtf?

2. im fine with DK's having a self heal like other guys that go tank, but a spammable percent heal is ridiculous. either change it to a base amount that scales off magicka or health or just put a timer on it, ive watched a DK stay above half hp in multiple vs him fights too many times because nothing can pierce him and hes dropping crazy radius damage while spamming %'s of his hp at a time.

3. how many of you figured "okay ill help my team fight this DK" to be obliterated in seconds from spamming the same root to the point where rolling 3 times = no stamina left at the price of him using 1/4 of his magicka and half your hp is gone now, than what? you try to reheal? now your out of magicka and stamina fighting a tank that reflects anything. atleast give us ANY button to press to be immune to the root for a few seconds because you cant even range him down at a safe distance with all these reflects going on. whys talons even need to hit so hard? its a utility already that's like making my heal do 500 radius damage and stun everyone for 5 minutes. oh wait, they got those called ULTIMATES.

4.ive seen sorc groups kill vet teammates on the wall during sieges in under 3 seconds without doing any other spell than lightning spam. either remove the execute passive or remove its spammability, no other class needs an execute other than the actual assassin class, and it sure as hell doesn't need to be spammable with a magicka restore. who thought this was a good idea besides someone playing the sorc for easy kills? nerf nerf nerf.

5. another beauty. an unblockable elemental type that can do almost half your hp in a 2 second cast and 1 of them is instant, ALSO with a huge CC that is 2 seconds of ground time and 2 seconds of standing up if you don't waste most of your stamina bar blocking it or stun breaking. and the entire time your on the ground their spamming an execute for minimal costs. theres no reason at all they need to hit 1k+ crits with a hard CC and a chance to do it all again, change it to some ice bolt that roots u in place so we can have a better chance of recovering or atleast remove the morph that does an auto cast and change it into an ice bolt.

these are my opinions, your welcome to your own, I think I added some good suggestions to help balance these classes but obviously the people who don't want these changes are the people who only use these spells on their bar and cant adapt to anything else. its not exactly a hidden fact that most of cyrodiil has become sorcerers and dragonknights from rerolls because of these skills.

maybe change some class abilities to rely on stamina if its a melee range or something to that effect so you don't just throw on robes and still have over charged armor and resist like anyone in heavy and do everything 10x better than them in terms of damage and regen?

6.this is too much CC on 1 class, its called sorcerer not stunlockeror, why does everything on his bar have to include 5 seconds of "sit there and watch your hp drop" ? its an escape, so let him bolt away, remove the stun and lower the cost per repetitive cast to like 33% and im sure everyone will be happy.