I agree. My Redguard Templar has been my only successful stamina build so far, but these changes make it look like a Redguard NB in all medium armor just might have enough Stamina to make a weapon master character work.

I would try that out if I had a few more character slots. As it is... I will have to wait until I tire of one of my current builds.

Talketzanto wrote: »

Sooo concerning this from today's patch notes :

Refreshing Shadows: This passive ability is now always active, and no longer requires you to use another ability.

I think this alone will make NB much much more powerful. Also add in the Med armor changes and you have pretty good sustainable damage.

Looking forward to it. Buffs around the board. Nothing major in my mind except refreshing shadows and medium armor, meaning my characters could be fairly well put for longer fights now.

Currently, VR content has me emptying both magicka and stamina bars by the end of a three-mob fight. This should give me the capability of carrying that fight a little longer, possibly handling four and five mobs if done right.

the regeneration stats were always trash in terms of usefulness, you are universally better off boosting the base stat than the regeneration...

add in how little that passive actually boosts stuff, and you basically have a waste of skill points.

Talketzanto wrote: »

Also add in the Med armor changes and you have pretty good sustainable damage.

At this point I have to disagree, your class skills outdamage stamina skills even if they crit ... Medium armor and melee is fun to play in theory but when it comes to burst efficiency there is no reason to change a magicka strong Shadow/assasin build.

Bromburak wrote: »

Talketzanto wrote: »

Also add in the Med armor changes and you have pretty good sustainable damage.

At this point I have to disagree, your class skills outdamage stamina skills even if they crit ... Medium armor and melee is fun to play in theory but when it comes to burst efficiency there is no reason to change a magicka strong Shadow/assasin build.

I've been swayed over observation and conversation to believe that the devs in no way intended to provide players the ability to play without using both stamina AND magicka.

There are imbalances, and issues. But I think they intended from the first that every player would pick abilities from both sides (or be required to use finesse skills), thus tapping into both pools at the same time.

I kinda feel the 'stamina-only' crowd wasn't really something they intended at all.

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

niocwy wrote: »

I welcome your opinion but come on ...there's no such thing like "a waste of skill points". There's so many available, and you tell you will spit on the free 30% stam regen for 2 skill point ?

Sure there is. But in regards to this, 30% stamina regen on top of the soft cap isn't going to change the dynamics of any fight. It's real easy to hit the softcap with medium armor, I actually had to swap out armor for light armor for more magicka recovery and reduced cost because I was over the softcap.

You guys are exaggerating just how useful this is. The resource recovery rate is a joke, even at the softcap. What stamina needs is hard gains, Like the magic furnace set, but instead of magicka it awards stamina.

What if you don't use medium armor ? having more stamina regen, even a little, is useful. More or less useful depending on your build.

I agree with you, it's a light buff. But it's a buff nevertheless, and definitely worth two little skill points (but I guess it's a matter of opinion...)

malikwalker_ESO wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Talketzanto wrote: »

Also add in the Med armor changes and you have pretty good sustainable damage.

At this point I have to disagree, your class skills outdamage stamina skills even if they crit ... Medium armor and melee is fun to play in theory but when it comes to burst efficiency there is no reason to change a magicka strong Shadow/assasin build.

Except maybe some people want to?

Not debating the current superiority of X setup vs Y setup. But maybe now ppl that want to roll in 5+ medium and melee might not have such a hard time making a go of it.

Just saying.

Why would people want to? This is the part that has always confused me. I think that if ZOS would simply change the name of the pools from Magicka/Stamina to Power/Defense than half of these NB arguments would disappear. I don't understand the argument that by putting a point in magicka or using a class ability, that you've somehow become a mage.

I leveled from 1-VR12 using a DW/Medium Armor build that was fully magicka based. I was not a mage, nor a caster. I was 100% melee because I had to stand in melee range.

Melee does not mean Stamina.

As to the OP, I agree with many others that this change is less than stellar. The issues was never really the lack of stamina, but the simple fact that weapon skills don't do as much damage or have as much utility as class skills. This hasn't changed.

You can still be magica based and enjoy the 30% stamina regen for breaking CC or charging with 1h/shield......Im just saying it helps alot when you focus on a magica build with magic regen....thats free stamina regen

The only thing ide like to see them change is how regen does not work when your in stealth and moving...it seems to have no effect until you completely stop in place

niocwy wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

the regeneration stats were always trash in terms of usefulness, you are universally better off boosting the base stat than the regeneration...

add in how little that passive actually boosts stuff, and you basically have a waste of skill points.

I welcome your opinion but come on ...there's no such thing like "a waste of skill points". There's so many available, and you tell you will spit on the free 30% stam regen for 2 skill points ?

its mostly personal prefrence but the regen stat was never that impressive to me, and i would rather spend points on having more options available than slightly boosting one trait that only has significant rewards when not in combat.

all of my characters despite going through content with a fine toothed comb tend to use up all their skill points and still have lots of abilitys i want to unlock..

i have found great use in every class skill unlocked save a very small few, so all 4 of my vet characters tend to have little to no spare skill points unless i drop traits like this that have minimal returns.

its the worst on my sorcerer, who has heavily invested in 3 crafting trees... the other 3 have one tree each.

The only thing I hated really was they said they fixed a haste morph but not haste itself for bows?

Vuron wrote: »

malikwalker_ESO wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Talketzanto wrote: »

Also add in the Med armor changes and you have pretty good sustainable damage.

At this point I have to disagree, your class skills outdamage stamina skills even if they crit ... Medium armor and melee is fun to play in theory but when it comes to burst efficiency there is no reason to change a magicka strong Shadow/assasin build.

Except maybe some people want to?

Not debating the current superiority of X setup vs Y setup. But maybe now ppl that want to roll in 5+ medium and melee might not have such a hard time making a go of it.

Just saying.

Why would people want to? This is the part that has always confused me. I think that if ZOS would simply change the name of the pools from Magicka/Stamina to Power/Defense than half of these NB arguments would disappear. I don't understand the argument that by putting a point in magicka or using a class ability, that you've somehow become a mage.

I leveled from 1-VR12 using a DW/Medium Armor build that was fully magicka based. I was not a mage, nor a caster. I was 100% melee because I had to stand in melee range.

Melee does not mean Stamina.

As to the OP, I agree with many others that this change is less than stellar. The issues was never really the lack of stamina, but the simple fact that weapon skills don't do as much damage or have as much utility as class skills. This hasn't changed.

"Why would people want to? " Because some people dont like being forced into cookie cutter builds and they paid 60$ to play their way not some Min/Max build a random player came up with. I'd rather have fun playing the way i want and dying then playing a setup everyone else is using and be another random joe build.

It might be a little harder but better players will make it work.

Most of my resources come from Siphoning attacks and the only reason I need stamina is for blocking. This will probably help me block another attack every 10 second so I am not impressed, Nerfing Siphoning attacks on the other hand may have f'ed up the class horrendously.

maysonet_ESO wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Honestly nothing changed with the windwalker buff for those of us who have been playing NB forever. Read it here again:

Wind Walker 1: Adjusted this ability so it now reduces the cost of stamina abilities by 1% per piece of medium armor equipped, and 2% at rank 2.

At rank 1, its only 1%, then after rank one it goes to 2%. Its been 4% for rank 2 now its only 2%. Its a nerf.

This is in addition to "Increases Stamina Recovery by 2%/4% per piece of Medium Armor equipped." so it's a buff. Nothing is reduced or removed with this change, only added

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I read that wrong. Now i have to go fix another posts.....

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

Not as quite as important as you think given that most people were already soft capped without it.

This. I was already capped. 30% more means nothing.

mblythe21b14_ESO wrote: »

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

Not as quite as important as you think given that most people were already soft capped without it.

This. I was already capped. 30% more means nothing.

So you now set up your gear/enchants differently so you arn't capped in stamina......so you actually end up gaining regen in something else that you had to give up to cap out stamina