While multi boxing = more subs - are not the secondary on thru players essentially BOTS following a set of commands?

In other MMO's where multi boxing was prevalent it was a constant source of controversy. Personally I did not have a problem with it in an instanced PvP environment. You go into the instance with X number of people - usually 40 or less - and if one of them is running 5 toons - well it's not the end of the world.

However, in pure PvP server environments those multi boxers were a POX on the population. They would camp cities on their own with no problem. They would camp vendors on their own with no problem. If it's a macro based multi box setup using third party programs to run one's characters. In sand box PvP like we have here in TESO - it would be a serious issue and a major degradation to the one player one character let's fight sandbox we have now.

I searched around and found this:

‘My name is Claressa from The Elder Scrolls Online Team. I am contacting you today in regards to your query on Multi-Boxing.
Rest assured I have looked into it for you and I can confirm that this is something we will not be supporting. Any use of third party software is a violation of our code of conduct.
I do hope this answers your question. If there is anything further I can assist with please do let me know ’”

So - I guess I will have to get character names of the boxer and report them. See, I hate having to police the game. Some sort of sentinel program that finds this activity on the server side should be in place no?

i heard they somehow synergize impulse with caltrops making imp omg radius and exploit this bug

bitaken wrote: »

So, I also found an add on that allows for macros. I think this is problematic. I hated all the keybind macros in WoW and thought them short cuts for bad players to become good overnight.

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info8-WykkydsFramework.html

Is this not against CoC?

Pretty sure this one is on the up and up since ZOS highlighted it recently as a featured add-on and even provided the link to esoui where people can download it.

http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/05/14/featured-add-on--wykkyds-framework?ref=news-list

bitaken wrote: »

So, I also found an add on that allows for macros. I think this is problematic. I hated all the keybind macros in WoW and thought them short cuts for bad players to become good overnight.

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info8-WykkydsFramework.html

Is this not against CoC?

I use Wykkyd's framework a lot, and so do a lot of other players. Maybe I'm not using it properly, but I am confident the macros are only for gear & skill setup, so you may switch builds on the fly as long as you are out of combat.

I doubt Wykkyd's outfitter would be against the TOS, since it's essentially just acts as a time saver and doesn't affect anything while you are engaged in a fight. I might have missed something though in the options but like I said, I just use it to save me time switching gear/builds instead of having to deal with the annoying inventory menu. The addon seems very innocent to me.

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

So, I also found an add on that allows for macros. I think this is problematic. I hated all the keybind macros in WoW and thought them short cuts for bad players to become good overnight.

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info8-WykkydsFramework.html

Is this not against CoC?

I'm glad at least some people taking this seriously and not just 'omg impulse qq'

Our group has had similar experiences, but the problem was that it happened so fast we literally could not decipher what the problem was.
As far as that addon goes, I don't think the overall addon is bad but have not tested th macro plug-in. If it indeed allows caststrings to be set or even conditional spell use, it needs to go.

I will also say you guys are a pain in the ass to kill (although I never seen you with a group of less than 20 , so I know that @bitaken‌ isn't simply QQing over skillspam.

The speed of death to this guy last night - it was so fast my health bar was still full but my screen was grayed out. I mean - there was no possible reaction time. I have seen the emp groups from AD do similiar killings of pugs - but for someone to do that to my team - I'm sorry it just does not happen.

Yeah if you are the AD group that goes around with 5 or 6 impulse and a banner or two for throw in you guys are tough. We have beat almost every uber group I have seen so far on wabba - at one time or another - and lost to every one of them as well. But I have never seen what I saw last night on three separate occasions.

Incoming - use counter measures - dead - in about 3 seconds. Literally so fast my health bar did not even move my character just keeled over.

Sorry...I don't believe anyone is so co-ordinated they can do that without using outside programs to synch...macros something is going on.

Bitz_Maidenhell wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

That's not macro running its three different characters hitting you with either ring or impulse with three different staves..ring dot ticks you from multiple characters and impulse is only suppose to reduce your health once for 30%.

Well...you can call it what you want. We saw them at max range - did our thing when we see enemy impulse group inbound...and died within 2 seconds. We hardly even saw characters on us. Yes, it was lag exploiting but that I cannot complain about.

My health bar said full and my screen was grey and I was dead. It was 8 characters or so - moving so in synchronicity that the 1980's Police album came to mind. I do not think it is humanly possible for 8 people to move so perfectly in synch that they all start spamming the spell at the same exact second and then everyone is dead in 2 seconds once the group hits you.

Kinda not gonna continue posting here as this thread is about the cancer of PBAE and I know all about it....however, from what I understand we have people macro'ing in CC break to their impulse button so that IF they are CC'd they break it before casting it. People using unstoppable before they run at a group becoming immune to Negate Magic (the primary defense against this particular PBAE spam tactic). People using multi box setups to farm mats in PvE and now taking the same set of accounts with destro staves into PvP...and well if that's going to start in this PvP environment...you can count me out.

I have yet to see a single multi boxer in this game. I would love to see video of such a thing in AvA. I have seen a few claiming multi boxers, but after watching the video, they are obviously not.

If your screen goes grey and you have a full health bar and die, it is due to lag, latency, server lag, etc etc. I am sure most people have seen it from time to time.

Moving 8 people in sync is very easy, it happens all the time. There are plenty of teams that move 20 players in perfect formation, it's call having TS3 and a good commander. It's actually quite simple.

Negate magic is NOT the primary defense against this tactic. It could work on some groups with low skill or poor theory crafting, but it should never be considered the counter or "defense" against this tactic. There are counters out there for groups running a PBAE train, and they are very simple, but don't think for a second that a solid "pain train" team dose not know the counters to their tactics, and already has counter measures in place.

I don't do the video thing. I don't have super computer - just a really solid gaming PC.

My whole group died in 3 seconds. I am not going to argue with you it will obviously be pointless. I move my whole group of 16+ together regularly and we are a good team. You are likely defending impulse spamming...whatever - I honestly don't have a problem with it - we kill most of the groups running it thinking it is insta win - but this one group last night was killing us so fast - and just blasted thru everything we thru at them - I don't believe it is as simple as what the "I know everything" group is going to come here and say.

And - I find it rather funny that a guy comes here and defends pulsar spam when they have this posted on their website:

"By always creating our own plays, we will be constantly hitting the enemy with something new."

lulz

Maybe you were the EP pulsar group that came for the flag at Chalman mine yesterday and got wrecked so fast you sat there for five minutes not releasing to the keep that was right there - because you were too busy yelling at one another on TS?

I don't regularly take SS's to come to forums to brag. I really am not that type of person. I enjoy fighting everyone - winning my fair share - and eating dirt my fair share. The game is about fun.

However, when the same group insta gibs my entire group like what happened last night - on 3 separate occasions - with exactly the same kind of activity...well the alarm bell goes off for sure. One of my group members did SS and submit a ticket - though I am not certain what exactly he submitted - he was just as frustrated and wondering WTH happened as the rest of us - the fact that it was the same group and the same full health bar gray screen - three times we encountered it - well something was not right.

So, let me confirm what you are asking. You play AD and this same thing I have described has happened to you against EP?

im DC, and the pulse zerg is not all that hard to stop, IF your prepared for it, oil pots, one problem with defensive oil pots is the IDIOTS who put up catas, meat, trebs and next thing you know you can only place 8 oil pots, which isnt enough to properly cover the ground in a Keep, ex steps and walls. Treb inside a keep. other spells work well also on pulsa such as the one that throws people in the air when the walk over it, kinda hard to not run over it when pulsing in narrow paths. Any how last resort counter with a pulse group.

bitaken wrote: »

Bitz_Maidenhell wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

That's not macro running its three different characters hitting you with either ring or impulse with three different staves..ring dot ticks you from multiple characters and impulse is only suppose to reduce your health once for 30%.

Well...you can call it what you want. We saw them at max range - did our thing when we see enemy impulse group inbound...and died within 2 seconds. We hardly even saw characters on us. Yes, it was lag exploiting but that I cannot complain about.

My health bar said full and my screen was grey and I was dead. It was 8 characters or so - moving so in synchronicity that the 1980's Police album came to mind. I do not think it is humanly possible for 8 people to move so perfectly in synch that they all start spamming the spell at the same exact second and then everyone is dead in 2 seconds once the group hits you.

Kinda not gonna continue posting here as this thread is about the cancer of PBAE and I know all about it....however, from what I understand we have people macro'ing in CC break to their impulse button so that IF they are CC'd they break it before casting it. People using unstoppable before they run at a group becoming immune to Negate Magic (the primary defense against this particular PBAE spam tactic). People using multi box setups to farm mats in PvE and now taking the same set of accounts with destro staves into PvP...and well if that's going to start in this PvP environment...you can count me out.

I have yet to see a single multi boxer in this game. I would love to see video of such a thing in AvA. I have seen a few claiming multi boxers, but after watching the video, they are obviously not.

If your screen goes grey and you have a full health bar and die, it is due to lag, latency, server lag, etc etc. I am sure most people have seen it from time to time.

Moving 8 people in sync is very easy, it happens all the time. There are plenty of teams that move 20 players in perfect formation, it's call having TS3 and a good commander. It's actually quite simple.

Negate magic is NOT the primary defense against this tactic. It could work on some groups with low skill or poor theory crafting, but it should never be considered the counter or "defense" against this tactic. There are counters out there for groups running a PBAE train, and they are very simple, but don't think for a second that a solid "pain train" team dose not know the counters to their tactics, and already has counter measures in place.

I don't do the video thing. I don't have super computer - just a really solid gaming PC.

My whole group died in 3 seconds. I am not going to argue with you it will obviously be pointless. I move my whole group of 16+ together regularly and we are a good team. You are likely defending impulse spamming...whatever - I honestly don't have a problem with it - we kill most of the groups running it thinking it is insta win - but this one group last night was killing us so fast - and just blasted thru everything we thru at them - I don't believe it is as simple as what the "I know everything" group is going to come here and say.

And - I find it rather funny that a guy comes here and defends pulsar spam when they have this posted on their website:

"By always creating our own plays, we will be constantly hitting the enemy with something new."

lulz

Maybe you were the EP pulsar group that came for the flag at Chalman mine yesterday and got wrecked so fast you sat there for five minutes not releasing to the keep that was right there - because you were too busy yelling at one another on TS?

I am not here to defend impulse, i am simply stating that a lot of people make claims about the morph pulsar, yet nobody has stepped up to provide any proof, it's just speculation.

As far as TSYM and Pulsar are concerned, we don't use that morph in our synergy, we all use Elemental ring.

bitaken wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

So, let me confirm what you are asking. You play AD and this same thing I have described has happened to you against EP?

correct

Just out of curiosity then: When this particular group hit you what counter measures did you deploy that they seemed to just run right through and eat you up anyway?

I am fairly certain unstoppable gets people through negate like its not even there (debatable if this is how it SHOULD work...) but they seemed to blow through our caltrops blitz through runes and still insta gibbed when they walked into negate. Our tanks tried to stun/root a couple down as well to no effect. I believe all of that is countered with unstoppable. Really dumb imp that one potion counters all major slows/silences/CC's but I guess if people want to farm mats ....

Well the first time we actually didn't even see it coming so we thought "OK maybe if people weren't gawking this wouldn't have happened"

But the other couple times, there were caltrops, barrier and runes deployed and likely at least one negate/standard/bats, but it did not even register. It was as if we got 'lagged' out so the group had had already killed us even though we were waiting to hit them, but no one was reporting lag just then.

I really wish I'd had SS'd the situation.

If it was just lots of purges/maneuver/unstoppable (which would avoid all cc until the first impulse hit for the snare on caltrops) it's one thing.

But my bigger concern is that me and a few others died literally before we could get a cast off... Like you said - full hp to grey screen, before I even saw anything hit me. I thought it was just lag but idk. My deathlog was a lot of pulsars.

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Use speed hack to teleport his own boxers & pulsars you to death?
Modify it to cast 10 pulsars in 1sec?

Not sure if a joke - but you have two reputable group leaders claiming the exact same thing is happening to them and you are scoffing? The fact that we are from separate factions also says something eh?

I may not be former emp or whatever and I may not be "feared" like some of the groups but I can tell you my group has beaten them all at one point or another.

The fact that I saw exactly the same thing as Halrloprillalar says that something is amiss. I saw it three times in the same night because I go from EP base to EP base.

Will report more sequences if they occur during this evenings activity.

Stated before, remove AoE cap...They'll stop bunching up like that cause they'll all be able to take AoE damage.

I have read the conversation and the majority of your posts are as follows:

bitaken wrote: »

These counter measures have successfully allowed us to counter 90% of the non emperor groups that drop all their ultimates on us at once.

bitaken wrote: »

I am running a TS group that has been playing together making 200K a day for almost a month in Cyro. My group is co-ordinated and relatively high skill. I'm not saying my group of newbs got wrecked in 2 seconds QQ. I'm saying my group of veterans (I'm personally PvP rank 21 no newb) got rocked in 3 seconds flat to impulse spammers that were on us in ~2 seconds from max range (I know movement speed increases are fine I'm not complaining) and killed us thru negates, runes and caltrops while we spread out. I'm faily certain it's a multi boxer, and if so...there goes Cyro.

bitaken wrote: »

- but for someone to do that to my team - I'm sorry it just does not happen.
Yeah if you are the AD group that goes around with 5 or 6 impulse and a banner or two for throw in you guys are tough. We have beat almost every uber group I have seen so far on wabba - at one time or another - and lost to every one of them as well. But I have never seen what I saw last night on three separate occasions.
Sorry...I don't believe anyone is so co-ordinated they can do that without using outside programs to synch...macros something is going on.

bitaken wrote: »

- but you have two reputable group leaders claiming the exact same thing is happening to them and you are scoffing? The fact that we are from separate factions also says something eh?
I may not be former emp or whatever and I may not be "feared" like some of the groups but I can tell you my group has beaten them all at one point or another.

I'm not trying to be an arse but the meat of your hypothesis has more to do with the above than what actually happened...just sayin.

bitaken wrote: »

Ran into what appeared to be a guy multi boxing tonight. My health bar was full but my screen went gray and I was dead. I am not sure...but if this is what the OP was talking about - yes this needs a serious review.


INC PBAE BOMB!! - throw caltrops...toss negate and start healing....

screen gray character dead.

The rest of my group was throwing runes and preparing other counter measures.


The death spam was 290 dmg of all three destruction staves. from 3 different characters. I have never seen that type of thing before in this game and if that's where we are going...well...I will go find something else to play.

You ran into a guy who appeared to be multiboxing yet your death recap stated there were at least three guys..not one. So..you were mistaken there? (cause even though someone is multiboxing shouldn't there be two other chars as well?)

I provided a possible solution stating that if it were Pulsar being used and the health debuff was indeed stacking then that would account for your health disappearing immediately.

Someone else posted that it was not pulsar but Ring which in fact doesn't even debuff your health but only adds dots.

Then you post 4 separate times about how great you and your team are adding no other real information except that "you're pretty awesome"

my point is if you only saw one guy and there was infact three (or more)..perhaps you're mistaken about what your awesome group was doing as far as healing goes? Perhaps no one was hacking or multiboxing?..perhaps you just got side swiped. It happens.