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Excellent article in massively from new ESO writer
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http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/06/20/tamriel-infinium-in-which-youre-told-that-elder-scrolls-online/
nail on the head!
Edited by Hilgara on June 24, 2014 1:13PM nail on the head!
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Raash✭✭✭✭This is the single best review that I have read for ESO.
To be fair it was a fun read, but i didnt see any review there tho. Only one persons thoughts about a game (or should I say about the people having opinions about it rather) on the same level as anyone that has ever published a comment or started a thread.
one question, what made it an "Excelent article" and not just a standard regular one?6 -
Mablung✭✭✭✭✭This is the single best review that I have read for ESO.
Because it is the only review that has been promoted by ESO. Which leaves one to wonder.
The article is full of the poo. He talks about how much money Zenimax is making because they had such a huge display at E3. He is insane to equate that with ESO being successful. The game has daddy deep pockets as a parent company. It would have been idiotic for them not to go all out at E3.
Speaking of going all out, how did that go? They gave a small scale arena style demo on pvp which had everyone going crazy thinking it was going to be implemented into the game.
Where are the influx of players? People are waiting. The real reviews have been out. Not this fabricated article linked by ESO Marketing on their Facebook page, twitter and Reddit accounts days ago. What is really funny is they did not promote this article on the official forums. Wonder why?Edited by Mablung on June 24, 2014 7:52AM12 -
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Here is the reddit link.
You will have to go back and search their Facebook page and Twitter account yourself. They are there though. I saw it first on FB.
Edit: I also started a discussion about it a few days ago as well but we had someone go a little overboard.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/112615/eso-marketing#latestEdited by Mablung on June 24, 2014 7:58AM3 -
wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭The reviewer apparently hasn't played the game very long. The tell is this paragraph:I play nightly, and ESO's zones are brimming with peeps. My primary guild is having to turn away applicants, and the last time I wasn't able to get into a PUG dungeon group inside of five minutes was, oh, never. Yes, that's all anecdotal and will continue to be unless ZeniMax disregards the themepark MMO dev rulebook and releases player numbers.
He clearly hasn't hit the VR zones to quest or queued for pug VR dungeons. As for his guild turning away people comment, sure would like to see the active/inactive listing for his guild roster.
But the article did maybe give some color on the amount of money that ZOS took in or expected from box sales, if the E3 display was as impressive as he mentioned (or maybe they had all those booked in advance before April?). Bethesda probably wouldn't throw good money after bad if the numbers for the game were as bad as some people have said.3 -
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✭Awesome link and Awesome review. Btw, "reviews" are literally just the opinion of the person doing said review, nothing more.3 -
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✭wrlifeboil wrote: »The reviewer apparently hasn't played the game very long. The tell is this paragraph:I play nightly, and ESO's zones are brimming with peeps. My primary guild is having to turn away applicants, and the last time I wasn't able to get into a PUG dungeon group inside of five minutes was, oh, never. Yes, that's all anecdotal and will continue to be unless ZeniMax disregards the themepark MMO dev rulebook and releases player numbers.
He clearly hasn't hit the VR zones to quest or queued for pug VR dungeons. As for his guild turning away people comment, sure would like to see the active/inactive listing for his guild roster.
But the article did maybe give some color on the amount of money that ZOS took in or expected from box sales, if the E3 display was as impressive as he mentioned (or maybe they had all those booked in advance before April?). Bethesda probably wouldn't throw good money after bad if the numbers for the game were as bad as some people have said.
He said in the article (4 paragraphs up from the one you took out) that he has leveled 1-50 and is just starting what I assume is VR1. I saw a few reviews that felt they could comment on the game when the reviewer had only made it to 15-20.PUG Life - the true test of your skill
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✭Curragraigue wrote: »He said in the article (4 paragraphs up from the one you took out) that he has leveled 1-50 and is just starting what I assume is VR1. I saw a few reviews that felt they could comment on the game when the reviewer had only made it to 15-20.
Actually MOST of the early hating on ESO was people who never even got to level 15 for weapon swap. But that sure makes them experts on how bad the game is amiright.4 -
Mablung✭✭✭✭✭Curragraigue wrote: »He said in the article (4 paragraphs up from the one you took out) that he has leveled 1-50 and is just starting what I assume is VR1. I saw a few reviews that felt they could comment on the game when the reviewer had only made it to 15-20.
Actually MOST of the early hating on ESO was people who never even got to level 15 for weapon swap. But that sure makes them experts on how bad the game is amiright.
How do you know this? Is there data out there somewhere to prove this? I am honestly interested if that is the case.1 -
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✭How do you know this? Is there data out there somewhere to prove this? I am honestly interested if that is the case.
I doubt many of those articles/threads are still up tbh. When I say early ESO hating I mean just before or within 2 weeks of release. There were many posts on Reddit about how they hated the game, but said how they only played some of the content in Auridon (AD's starting zone levels 5-15). There were also some on random "game forums" that I'd never heard of until someone in Guild linked a bad ESO review. I saw pretty much the same thing, people would play until about levels10-14, just high enough to get into Cryo, but too low really for proper Dungeon experience and no weapon swap.
That seemed to be the running concept for hating threads about ESO, people would play for a week then trash it on some random website. Since the game has been out a little while there's much less solid bad press from people who actually got to VR and have experienced a large portion of the game, and especially those who have tried out more than a single class high enough to make it viable.1 -
LordEcks✭✭✭How do you know this? Is there data out there somewhere to prove this? I am honestly interested if that is the case.
I'm sure only ZeniMax could prove this with numbers, but it is fact that the vast majority of RPGs out there remain "uncompleted" by the majority of its players.
I guess its because they're too long or what not, but it would not surprise me to hear something like less than 5% of the games population were in VR.
While I realize the following example is a single player game... I think its safe to say that the completion rates on those are much higher than that of MMOs (completion being hitting max level).
eurogamer.net/articles/2012-08-13-less-players-completed-mass-effect-3-than-finished-mass-effect-2Article wrote:More than five months after Mass Effect 3 was released, only 42 per cent of players have completed the game.
That's less than Mass Effect 2, where 56 per cent of players finished the final mission.1 -
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✭Curragraigue wrote: »He said in the article (4 paragraphs up from the one you took out) that he has leveled 1-50 and is just starting what I assume is VR1. I saw a few reviews that felt they could comment on the game when the reviewer had only made it to 15-20.
Actually MOST of the early hating on ESO was people who never even got to level 15 for weapon swap. But that sure makes them experts on how bad the game is amiright.
How do you know this? Is there data out there somewhere to prove this? I am honestly interested if that is the case.
I wont link the article because it seems to create meltdowns on forums when it pops up but the Tom's Hardware 'review' the author only made it to 20. I can't remember who wrote the other one I was thinking of but pretty sure he also said in the article that he only made it to 15-17 when giving their review.
Just lazy journalism more than anything else to not try out all of the features before giving a review.PUG Life - the true test of your skill
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TheRiseofTalosSoul ShrivenStill, a very nice read! Something on the cusp of positive, obviously going to be promoted after all the negativity!
I don't agree as a player, not just as a fan of the Elder Scrolls series, that the reviews have not been kind or in fact fair.
Reviewing an MMO is akin to reviewing a restaurant by standing in the kitchen and looking at the raw ingredients! You need to look at the individual parts and visualise what they can become before you disregard it based on the issues which effect nearly every MMO at launch!
A single piece may not be perfect (Quests, especially Main quest line) but this can improve and most importantly evolve, that is the nature of MMOs and I feel this can be forgotten, its 3 months old!
It has one of the richest and most diverse quest line I have seen in any recent MMO, if you stop to enjoy it. It has taken great strides to improve and tweak various aspects of the Gameplay, unfortunately it has been more reactive than proactive but that is understandable when you look at the fact this is their first experience in online gaming and they built this from the ground up, sure its not perfect yet, but that is the risk they took when trying to incorporate the Elder Scrolls template into an online experience.
I'm hoping it continues to update and change, focusing on new factions, the introduction of Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood(a bit far off yet) and improvements to classes(maybe a new class) and abilities!
For the Empire and ESOs long life!5 -
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✭Curragraigue wrote: »I wont link the article because it seems to create meltdowns on forums when it pops up but the Tom's Hardware 'review' the author only made it to 20. I can't remember who wrote the other one I was thinking of but pretty sure he also said in the article that he only made it to 15-17 when giving their review.
Just lazy journalism more than anything else to not try out all of the features before giving a review.
That was the one I was thinking about where I'd never heard of the website before a Guild member linked it.0 -
Aureli✭✭✭You guys are right, this really isn't a review. More of an observation of just how wrong the general Internet community is regarding ESO, with some minor reviewing of game features.
So I amend my previous post and say that this is the best article I have read about ESO.
That said, the author is absolutely right in the sentiments he expresses about the internet community. The game gets a lot of crap from people who barely played, and even more from people who feel like an MMO Elder Scrolls is a betrayal worse than Germany starting WW2 (and yes, I've heard that comparison a couple times).Edited by Aureli on June 24, 2014 8:30AM2 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭He's also right about those that would love to see the game fail. There's a lot of them in this forum who would feel vindicated if the game crashed.3
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✭✭This is the single best review that I have read for ESO.
Yes, ZOS sure does love ESO. Go figure.
This guy says he is in vet zones and "I play nightly, and ESO's zones are brimming with peeps. "
ROFLMAO!
"the last time I wasn't able to get into a PUG dungeon group inside of five minutes was, oh, never."
ROFLMAO!!!!!
Please tell me that you guys don't really believe this.
[snip]most of the associated angst is coming from people who powered their way from 1 to 50 and VR10 inside of a month without listening to a single line of quest dialogue -- you know, the people who kind of whiff at the entire point of playing a fantasy MMORPG. This isn't a competition, bros. Real competitors are playing League of Legends or the beautiful game. Maybe both.
This is a virtual world, which means you live in it. You don't suck it through a straw so fast that it gives you a migraine before you can finish wailing that "there's no endgame content!11!11!"
If you have issues with the game it's because you are playing wrong.
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Man, this guy is doing all the oldies but goodies.
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on March 17, 2024 6:47PM6 -
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Bethesda have nothing to do with the direction and control of this game, they're merely 'consultants' on TES lore.wrlifeboil wrote: »Bethesda probably wouldn't throw good money after bad if the numbers for the game were as bad as some people have said.
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Not to mention reviews from people who barely played, that argument can be used by both 'sides'.The game gets a lot of crap from people who barely played,
This writer probably has played for some time though clearly as others have said he hasn't endured the VR content but reviews published on the day of release and on which the laughable Metacritic's scores are based clearly weren't written by people who played more than beta or cut-down 'reviewer' releases.
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JinShepard01✭✭✭Rofl this review... is as bad as all those who gave the game a higher score then 7As someone who has actually played through the 1 to 50 game and is now getting to see how the other factions live, though, I couldn't be more content when it comes to themepark gameplay.
Everyone I know never ever complained about 1-50 being bad. Its about what comes after !!! Which he should know if he played to 50.I play nightly, and ESO's zones are brimming with peeps. My primary guild is having to turn away applicants, and the last time I wasn't able to get into a PUG dungeon group inside of five minutes was, oh, never.
What country, what server? If you play night time Euro, you will see almost no one.
Primary guild having to turn away applicants, please, such a claim needs proof because I can hardly believe this with my own personal expirience running a guild and being in others. Unless ofc its a trade guild! But a real community driven guild?..
I stopped reading after this, it felt like i didnt read a objective text. Or partly read.
Why do people complain?
''Because players want to provide feedback and help shape a product they still see as having the potential to be great.''2 -
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✭and maybe most of the associated angst is coming from people who powered their way from 1 to 50 and VR10 inside of a month without listening to a single line of quest dialogue -- you know, the people who kind of whiff at the entire point of playing a fantasy MMORPG. This isn't a competition, bros
ESO is not this type of MMO.
The important part is that you "become" your char......When you beat the end boss of the main quest, you have feelings regarding the different endings.
Not all players knows what this means or have any interest what so ever in this.
Fine.....then maybe ESO is not for you.
Its brimming of players around 40-50, V1. I played all night with 2 V1 I found in zone chat. Right this moment, I am in a V1 zone, where zone chat is spammed down with trade/join guild/dolmen up. Just like all previous levels. EU server.
The difference is, the majority of ESO players, are playing the game. Not grinding it.
Zenimax just showed us that we on this forum are a minority of the players. Say what you want, but thats the sad truth.Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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Indeed, so labeling them 'awesome' or 'totally sucky' simply indicates whether the writer writes what you think or not, the adjective used to describe it is entirely subjective as well as the review itself.Awesome link and Awesome review. Btw, "reviews" are literally just the opinion of the person doing said review, nothing more.
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Flynch✭✭✭✭[Moderator Note: Edited because the quote and text referred to content removed from this discussion as per our Community Rules]
There is one thing I do agree with in this thread - that the 'review' was a great read and it certainly did highlight a lot of things wrong with the gaming world in general. It was quite one-sided in itself but also highlighted the 'other side' quite well too.
edit: too many 'somehows'
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mutharex✭✭✭✭✭and maybe most of the associated angst is coming from people who powered their way from 1 to 50 and VR10 inside of a month without listening to a single line of quest dialogue -- you know, the people who kind of whiff at the entire point of playing a fantasy MMORPG. This isn't a competition, bros
ESO is not this type of MMO.
The important part is that you "become" your char......When you beat the end boss of the main quest, you have feelings regarding the different endings.
Not all players knows what this means or have any interest what so ever in this.
Fine.....then maybe ESO is not for you.
Its brimming of players around 40-50, V1. I played all night with 2 V1 I found in zone chat. Right this moment, I am in a V1 zone, where zone chat is spammed down with trade/join guild/dolmen up. Just like all previous levels. EU server.
The difference is, the majority of ESO players, are playing the game. Not grinding it.
Zenimax just showed us that we on this forum are a minority of the players. Say what you want, but thats the sad truth.
Even 0-30 is full of players. TESO was directed to a certain public, but a lot of people bought it nerveless with little investigation and found out it wasn't a wowclone. That doesn't mean that the intended demographic left the game, quite the opposite1 -
kozuka87Soul ShrivenI've been playing MMO's since 2003, I've probably played more MMO's than half of the people on this forum know exist, and It is my firm belief that ESO is a very good game and has massive potential to grow.
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wrlifeboil✭✭✭✭✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
Bethesda have nothing to do with the direction and control of this game, they're merely 'consultants' on TES lore.wrlifeboil wrote: »Bethesda probably wouldn't throw good money after bad if the numbers for the game were as bad as some people have said.
Do more homework. Bethesda Softworks.0