About stamina - I need data!

trucqulent · June 2014

I'd love to see a combat log that supports the theory of stamina inefficiency. Specifically what class, talent build, and what their ability priority was.

I've been doing some testing of my own. I haven't finished, or posted the build anywhere... but forgive me for sounding stereotypical when I ask "maybe you're doing it wrong?".

So far all of my testing has been on dragonknight and tank roles, but unless I add in an event chain of something grossly negligent - like spamming reverse slash, for example - I'm not encountering the kind of results that justify the amount of "RAWR GAMES BROKEN FAIL OMG" commentary one might observe on forums.

So please, help me out!

If you have a complaint about stamina, please post some or all of the following info:
lvl or VR
class
role
build
slotted abilities
slotted gear + enchants
some kind of combat log or account of ability usage over a 30 or 60 second period.

Thanks

EvilEmpire · June 2014

how about you search the forum and read what everyone is already saying instead of starting yet another post about it. All of the information you're asking for has been provided many times over. I'm sure you're right and solved all the issues with your build and everyone else is just doing it wrong.

hk11 · June 2014

Pull a group of VR mobs that have the Agony spell. Post results with magicka user and with stamina user including dps and length of fight.

Also advertise that you are a stamina based user and that you are looking for trial groups.

That should provide some results for you.

trucqulent · June 2014

hk11 wrote: »

Pull a group of VR mobs that have the Agony spell. Post results with magicka user and with stamina user including dps and length of fight.

Also advertise that you are a stamina based user and that you are looking for trial groups.

That should provide some results for you.

I think you misunderstand.

I've read the QQ. what I haven't found is any actual proof other than a few sims done under patchwreck-style event variables.

what I need is playerdata. If you can't help me, then you certainly don't have any basis to disagree or argue with me.

trucqulent · June 2014

hk11 wrote: »

Pull a group of VR mobs that have the Agony spell. Post results with magicka user and with stamina user including dps and length of fight.

Also advertise that you are a stamina based user and that you are looking for trial groups.

That should provide some results for you.

again... that says a whole lot of nothing, and really doesn't respond to my inquiry.

OrangeTheCat · June 2014

The only complaint that makes much sense to me is how our ability to dodge and sprint is tied to stamina which is, unfortunately, the same resource that many NB skills are tied to. So if you use a bunch of stamina skills you can no longer dodge and roll until stamina regenerates some. This issue is not faced by other classes that use mostly magicka. So the call for a fourth attribute, endurance or whatever, makes a heck of a lot of sense to me.

Sharee · June 2014

trucqulent wrote: »

I've read the QQ. what I haven't found is any actual proof other than a few sims done under patchwreck-style event variables.

Zenimax admitting there's a problem not proof enough for you?

EvilEmpire · June 2014

trucqulent wrote: »

hk11 wrote: »

Pull a group of VR mobs that have the Agony spell. Post results with magicka user and with stamina user including dps and length of fight.

Also advertise that you are a stamina based user and that you are looking for trial groups.

That should provide some results for you.

again... that says a whole lot of nothing, and really doesn't respond to my inquiry.

Look...you don't play a stamina based char. You probably haven't done any testing whatsoever, because if you had, you would see what everyone is talking about. We're not going to do all the work for you just to prove what we already know. If you don't believe what so many other players are saying, then no one cares. Go back to your ftom sorc and ignore the issue. Clearly no one is going to convince you otherwise and this is just an attempt for you to fight the argument that nothing is broken so hopefully nothing gets fixed and you can continue on your merry way

trucqulent · June 2014

Sharee wrote: »

trucqulent wrote: »

I've read the QQ. what I haven't found is any actual proof other than a few sims done under patchwreck-style event variables.

Zenimax admitting there's a problem not proof enough for you?

sweeping generalizations aren't enough for me, especially taken out of context.

Blackwidow · June 2014

So far we have "whining" and "QQing". Now all we need is "haters" and we have a trifecta of rudeness.

"People who say there is a problem with stamina builds, please post data on this if you have it please."

A little politeness can go a long way.

trucqulent · June 2014

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

The only complaint that makes much sense to me is how our ability to dodge and sprint is tied to stamina which is, unfortunately, the same resource that many NB skills are tied to. So if you use a bunch of stamina skills you can no longer dodge and roll until stamina regenerates some. This issue is not faced by other classes that use mostly magicka. So the call for a fourth attribute, endurance or whatever, makes a heck of a lot of sense to me.

thanks for posting something useful!

Do you play one? can you shoot me a basic rundown of the info I mentioned in the OP?

trucqulent · June 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

So far we have "whining" and "QQing". Now all we need is "haters" and we have a trifecta of rudeness.

"People who say there is a problem with stamina builds, please post data on this if you have it please."

A little politeness can go a long way.

alright, fair call. Noted and edited OP.