DeLindsay wrote: »

You hit the nail on the head as to why ZoS should NOT do anything with Impulse. It doesn't matter if YOU aren't having "fun" it's a matter of whether or not an ability is being abused to the point of an exploit, which it most certainly is not. Every single MMO with PvP, players will always find way to be better at killing than someone else. It's the PvP bads that cry on forums for nerfs to things they can't beat that irritates normal folks. I'm not saying you are one of those, just pointing out that your comment sums up why ZoS should just lock this thread and laugh at it over lunch break.

This is pretty accurate. This is PvP. No offense, but nobody, and I mean nobody cares if the person they killed is 'having fun'. It's nothing personal AT ALL. If suddenly a certain ability disappeared over night, these guilds will find another way to make people complain. That is simply the reality of PvP. These guilds will always find an efficient way to beat the enemy. And, they enjoy doing it.

There are many things that stack with Impulse & Pulsar. You are lucky these days to have 500 HP after all that AoE fall on your head restricting your maximum HP pool.
(haven't taken damage yet just restricting HP, and initial pool was 3000+).

However, there aren't many Templars around to cast Ritual, so everyone dies to the next AoE. Which usually is DK Talons. If lucky to survive that the Banner because next the ground.

As a Templar, I find myself alone trying to support whole zergs some times.

They should make Eclipse to stop AoE also. Is the only way to get Templars off the ground, and shut down this travesty that PvP became the last few weeks.

DeLindsay wrote: »

Here, players think Impulse is being exploited but the difference is, that it's not so ZoS most likely won't do a thing to sooth the tears from PvP bads because the ability is working as intended.

Actually, if you read back in the thread, the complaint is that the health debuff portion of Pulsar is stacking. ZOS is going to look into that, as identical debuffs shouldn't stack.

The rest of it's okay, because frankly, it's just showing how unimaginative the folks who use it are.

Vis wrote: »

You need about 5-6 sorcs. Bolt spam them and negate bomb. Rinse and repeat until they are all dead. Recieve a medal for being awesome.

Negate is an Ultimate that only 1 class gets. It is not a valid argument to say that that is the go to counter.

The game is terrible at this point for anyone not wearing light armor with a Destro Staff (unless you are a DK).

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

Peeps too young to remember Enchanters. *shudder*

Chanters and Spiritmasters were awesome fun lol. I want my SM to guard some keep stairs here in ESO. Tight places and PBAOE...good times.

There is one big difference between Daoc and Eso, casters are interruptable.

Isaiha wrote: »

so why is every *** player in wabba using impulse than if it was working as intended

You know...Sometimes I wonder if people really are this low in IQ.

The first question you posed was:

Isaiha wrote: »

They spam it while running and can completely wipe a large group of forces in 1.5 - 2 seconds.

People explain to you that it is supposed to do what it is doing and that they have all been QQ'ing....and then you ask WHY people are using it?

Let me guess...you are DC and part of Eminent Gaming.....am I right?

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

How about dem smite clerics!

Seems soooo many people playing ESO would rather cry for a nerf over actually having to adapt in PvP. I too enjoy ESO for now and hopefully it will feed my PvP itch until CU comes out.
/salute

No idea what CU is - but the problem with DAOC is that it became a casters game. I loved it - and ran all kinds of characters up to RR 7+. My main armsmen was my favorite though and I loved a good assist train melee det group. The problem is that casters can wipe you out so fast...there was no reason to play a melee assist train anymore.

That is quickly becoming the case here. While the gameplay is exciting - and beating 50+ with 20 people is possible and quite satisfying....it sort of feels like kicking puppies.

Prospero_ESO wrote: »

CU is Camelot Unchained. A RvR centric MMO currently developed by City State Entertainment which is owned by Mark Jacobs (former CEO of Mythic).

Ontopic.

Is Pulsar Spam lame ? Maybe, it´s a strong AoE ability, combined with others. To be used effectively it requires at least a bit of coordination with the team.

If you are alone, in a small group or in a big group but not coordinated, do not engage or be extremely cautious. But you can counter those bombing zergs pretty easy. Save Stamina for dodge rolls, put immovable on you bar and watch your positioning. No cc = you live, cc´ed = you die. The more you spread, the less target you are.

But, but .....people want to clump together so they can get heals!

This thread should really be titled 'Pulsar Exploit - Zenimax Read'. That would have been more accurate. If there are guilds knowingly using this ability and it is bugged THAT is rather lame. But they really don't need to use it because the other morph does the job as a few guilds have shown.

As for Daoc, Mid melee assist 'pain trains' were still devastating especially with the perma stam buffs they had for a while. Death from Hibs PBAOE was a peaceful death in comparison to getting churned up one by one by those Mids

DeLindsay wrote: »

But the vast majority of the people crying about it is because they don't "like" that players are zerging them using only Impulse, because for them, that's no "fun".

No, please re-read the thread.

Ghostbane wrote: »

if( enemy.skill.impulse.cast ) {
knockdown();
snare();
negate();
commonSense();
}

good luck

Ran into what appeared to be a guy multi boxing tonight. My health bar was full but my screen went gray and I was dead. I am not sure...but if this is what the OP was talking about - yes this needs a serious review.

Here is what happened on several occasions:

INC PBAE BOMB!! - throw caltrops...toss negate and start healing....

screen gray character dead.

The rest of my group was throwing runes and preparing other counter measures.

These counter measures have successfully allowed us to counter 90% of the non emperor groups that drop all their ultimates on us at once.

I believe he was either multi boxing (and what is the stance on that?) or he was macro running. Macros in this game would sort of be the end of this game for me. The whole idea of macro's becoming the norm and super fast ability spam will just ruin this game.

The death spam was 290 dmg of all three destruction staves. from 3 different characters. I have never seen that type of thing before in this game and if that's where we are going...well...I will go find something else to play.

That's not macro running its three different characters hitting you with either ring or impulse with three different staves..ring dot ticks you from multiple characters and impulse is only suppose to reduce your health once for 30%. if it is indeed stacking you got knocked down to 10% immediately and the base damage from the hit finished off your ten percent instantaneously.


At least that's what it sounds like to me.

Yes they do not require skill, monkeys can spam 2 buttons and make kill. No wonder there.

ZoS needs to fix all that AoE stacking. Many items stack with each other, others are too OP when cast multiple times by multiple players.


Pulsar atm is as big cancer in Cyrodiil as the Bat Swarm spam was few months ago.

And players are going to circumvent around any nerfs by finding another ability to exploit and then wait another month until a fix is in place.

What ZoS needs to do, in a single patch a changeacross the board all CC to boot


a) Make ressistable anything when you have high spell resistance. If you resists once a hard CC, be immune for 1 minute.

b) remove any penetration buff for VR players in Cyrodiil. (the general buff when you join Cyrodiil)

c) only 1 ultimate take effect at any time against the same player. Right now we have stacks of 3-4 batswarms or 3-4 standards all the time. (maybe 1 AoE also).

d) heavily nerf the standard. It too OP for that ridiculous low cost.

e) Make Templar Eclipse to affect AoE spells also, including ultimates. That will affect many issues currently in game and everyone QQ about.

Because :

i) shuts down all the monkeys, since they are going to die on the next spell cast if not planned well. (here goes the LEARN TO PLAY then, not by learning how to spam 1-2 buttons with OP abilities, but work around tactics),

ii) Is giving the Templars a boost in value anywhere, from VR PvE to Cyrodiil.

iii) Is making melee (stamina) builds viable, because no casting = more sword fighting.

That's not macro running its three different characters hitting you with either ring or impulse with three different staves..ring dot ticks you from multiple characters and impulse is only suppose to reduce your health once for 30%.

Well...you can call it what you want. We saw them at max range - did our thing when we see enemy impulse group inbound...and died within 2 seconds. We hardly even saw characters on us. Yes, it was lag exploiting but that I cannot complain about.

My health bar said full and my screen was grey and I was dead. It was 8 characters or so - moving so in synchronicity that the 1980's Police album came to mind. I do not think it is humanly possible for 8 people to move so perfectly in synch that they all start spamming the spell at the same exact second and then everyone is dead in 2 seconds once the group hits you.

Kinda not gonna continue posting here as this thread is about the cancer of PBAE and I know all about it....however, from what I understand we have people macro'ing in CC break to their impulse button so that IF they are CC'd they break it before casting it. People using unstoppable before they run at a group becoming immune to Negate Magic (the primary defense against this particular PBAE spam tactic). People using multi box setups to farm mats in PvE and now taking the same set of accounts with destro staves into PvP...and well if that's going to start in this PvP environment...you can count me out.

bitaken wrote: »

Ran into what appeared to be a guy multi boxing tonight. My health bar was full but my screen went gray and I was dead. I am not sure...but if this is what the OP was talking about - yes this needs a serious review.

Here is what happened on several occasions:

INC PBAE BOMB!! - throw caltrops...toss negate and start healing....

screen gray character dead.

The rest of my group was throwing runes and preparing other counter measures.

These counter measures have successfully allowed us to counter 90% of the non emperor groups that drop all their ultimates on us at once.

I believe he was either multi boxing (and what is the stance on that?) or he was macro running. Macros in this game would sort of be the end of this game for me. The whole idea of macro's becoming the norm and super fast ability spam will just ruin this game.

The death spam was 290 dmg of all three destruction staves. from 3 different characters. I have never seen that type of thing before in this game and if that's where we are going...well...I will go find something else to play.

Did you get names and report them? If its true, give ZOS a chance to investigate. Get a video or something. Players will use different elemental types but that doesn't mean they are abusing Pulsar (assuming there is even a bug there)

These counters mentioned simple wouldn't work against a coordinated group. There is no difference with any other class spamming their magical 'skilled' buttons. I'll take coordination over any perceived 'skill' since apparently all those dead bodies are self proclaimed 'skilled' players.

There is another coordinated guild that sits in Bleakers all day and farms the same 'skilled' players all freakin day. I doubt anyone can say skill is involved here but all those mighty heroic skilled players sure provide them with endless AP. They are highly coordinated and good at defending a tower. Fun for them and I doubt they care what it 'looks' like to many dead players.