Today in ESO...

Ser Lobo · June 2014

I've got to agree, Op. All in all, my playtime is fun and enjoyable.

If I get any heartache, it's over the fact that I couldn't talk my best friend into enjoying ESO (he doesn't like MMO's, in general, and is a bit too fond of god mode items in his single player games), or the fact that there is so much potential and I just want to do it all.

Otherwise, like any MMO, the fun is not what the devs make, but what players make. That is one of the real powers behind MMORPG's. Player-generated content.

Good players and friends make the game.

ZOS_MichelleA · June 2014

We've edited or removed several posts in this thread. Please keep from making personal jabs and arguments, and discuss the topic at hand. Thank you!

Kulrig · June 2014

Today in ESO...

I was mucking about in northern Glenumbra with my brother when we heard the familiar horn and clank of a Dolmen spawning. Open our maps, nearest one is to the north; let's go! South and around, because there was no path there from where we were at. Frustrating.

When we arrive there's about a dozen people chilling there waiting for someone else to make the first move, which seems to happen a lot. I bust out my resto staff in time to get a Mutagen off on my brother as he charges in, then spread around more healing love to the rest of the people. He goes around Puncturing everything and running in a circle around the middle, and as I spam my heals everyone grouped up in front of me. It was so lovely I had to reward them with Combat Prayer.

Anyhow, we wrecked that Dolmen. A dozen people blasting everything that spawned in a somewhat organized manner, quite the sight. I think my primary contribution to that event was inspiring confidence in the other people to join in the assault, because once it was in full swing ain't nobody needed heals.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

I hope the team aren't too disheartened by all the negativity.

Yes, let's hope the devs feel good about the job they have done so far, because rewarding mediocrity is what we do now.

I liked your story and I'm glad you had a good day in ESO.

That does not take away the fact this game needs a lot of work. Calling posts that point out problems as negative is one of the problems on this forum.

Trying to fix the game is a positive thing.

Relentlessly nitpicking subjective points of taste/opinion isn't a positive thing. It creates a toxic community and makes the developers' jobs a lot harder.

And yet this is something you consistently do....

All the time.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · June 2014

Cogo wrote: »

There is NO problem getting a group, if you simply try to get one. You know, try yourself, ask people, friends, guild, unknown, me?

I have one word that destroys your cozy little view that all you have to do to group is ask: PHASING.

The only long-term grouping tactic that works in this game is statics 1-VR12 and that style of group-or-GTFO died (thank God) in the last century .. until ZOS resurrected it in 2014.

Maulkin · June 2014

Glad you're enjoying the game, it is indeed pretty good fun. There are problems here and there, some big some small, but the framework in place is great.

If you were struggling with normal or early vet dungeons I have two words for you: Shada's Tears

That [snip] nearly reduced me to tears last night!

Soon Shada....soon!

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Doctoruniverse · June 2014

I logged in to see the progress on my research and then I logged out again.

Im really trying hard to keep the game alive for me, but something drastic needs to happen soon.

Ojustaboo · June 2014

KariTR wrote: »

Blackwidow, there is a difference between discussing negative issues, constructively, on threads made for that purpose and deliberate pissing on someone cornflakes just because they are having a good day in game.

While true, it happens the other way round far more often, mainly because people having problems are far far more likely to post about them on forums than people enjoying the game are.

What always amuses me in any forum is a couple of threads praising a product/game or whatever, someone dare says they are not liking it and they get slaughtered by a few that are loving it. yet when a thread is made pointing out flaws, people happily have a go at such posters.

It always seems to be one rule for those posting positive threads and another for those posting threads pointing out flaws.

Both groups need to realise others are at a different point, or playing in a different style and just because they are having a great or awful time, doesn't mean everyone else is.

Nearly every thread that turns into a slanging match does so because of the above.

Ser Lobo · June 2014

As a positive reviewer, I've seen more threads where someone says something innocuous, like "Where can I get this armor from the poster?", and 10 posters (three or four regulars) post something about how ZOS is always lying and how corrupt they are for not giving us the armor in game.

It happens in post after post here. The trend is dying out, and I'm seeing more positive posts. But there's definitely a poisonous atmosphere here that is attempting to point out to others, frequently and often, that someone dislikes this game.

And yes, I feel it's okay for me to disagree with an op, if they post something negative, just as it's okay for someone to disagree with me when I post something positive.

But there are constructive ways, and destructive ways. The difference is obvious.

charles_crowe · June 2014

I had a good time this morning as well. made a couple new friends in craglorn when we decided to band together in hircine's haunt. (i ended up as off-heals, but my AoE damage helped out enough that i didn't feel redundant.) a couple close calls, and 2 deaths later, we'd killed the boss, advanced a quest, and looted much gold.

10/10, would do again.

Cogo · June 2014

Regarding phasing.....tried it lately? For some reason I do not understand, Zenimax decided to sneak in improvements for this. Without telling us!

Not 100%, but I do group in phased quests. And we do see each other, even on different parts. Still not 100%, but its working......

And if you look at their bug fixing statements, improving phasing is quite far up.
Btw, phasing is not an ESO problem. Several MMOs have this and struggles as well. Some, like WoW doesnt see it as a problem.....

Cogo · June 2014

@Blackwidow

Eeeh! I was even concerned when you didnt show up on forums with your colorful language, and saw you had the ban and wondered why.

Dont just smash my posts to pieces...at least do it with some care....

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · June 2014

Cogo wrote: »

@Blackwidow

Eeeh! I was even concerned when you didnt show up on forums with your colorful language, and saw you had the ban and wondered why.

Dont just smash my posts to pieces...at least do it with some care....

Yeah, I missed him too.

Raash · June 2014

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

KariTR wrote: »

Blackwidow, there is a difference between discussing negative issues, constructively, on threads made for that purpose and deliberate pissing on someone cornflakes just because they are having a good day in game.

Yes, there is. Do you know the difference?

He posted the comment about the negative posts. He could have left that out and it would have just been a nice story, but in the end he went negative.

I didn't *** all over his story. I even said, "I liked your story and I'm glad you had a good day in ESO."

You guys need to let people speak their mind without attacking them.

If you notice, I never said one negative thing about the poster or his story.

KariTR took the words out of my mouth. There is a fine line. I have no problem with constructive criticism, in fact I encourage it, and I don't even consider it to be "negative." I think most people would agree which is why I sort of left that to be taken for granted and didn't feel the need to derail another thread going into specific details and potential flame wars about what I specifically meant by "negativity" (which is what I said), NOT "negative posts" which is what you read.

Here is the thing though. When people get overly defensive and feel the need to come onto other people's threads and nitpick semantics like the whole world needs to hear what you have to say on every single post, it tends to get irritating and that fine line begins to get a little fuzzy.

As a man, sometimes you have to be strong enough of character to know when to let things go. I am not posting a fanboi rant here, I am not defending the company as being without blemish or saying nothing else needs to be fixed. Read some of my other posts. I get just as frustrated as anyone and have posted MANY suggestions for making things better.

But this isn't the sort of conversation that needs to be jumped on for not being constructively critical enough. This is the sort of post that I would say, unless you wanted to share something YOU enjoyed in the game, should probably just be skimmed over and then moved on from.

It takes a strong person with character to be able to see an opportunity to post something not related to the topic and will themselves not to. To let something go, and find a more appropriate place for your personal feelings and insights. Like YOUR OWN thread for example? If you have these strong feelings and insights, maybe you should make your own thread, that way people won't get offended by you posting off-topic reminders in theirs? People might respect you more for it, and you will be prouder of yourself in the long run.

Let me as you this. Why does every thread regardless of the topic have to be reminded that it is OK to be negative? No one is disputing this. If you actually read what I said I was casually commenting about NEGATIVITY, not "negative posts." Nothing to defend here, you simply misread what I said.

Have a nice day!

Could you please define what is your view of "constructive criticism" and what is not?
To me its all a myth, there is no such thing as constructive criticism - there are only criticism.

an example might be in place:

1) Dear Z-max I would like you to fix the issue with phasing since its prevent me and rest of our guild to play togheter smoothly. Sincerely yours, Raash.

Or:
2) What the hell have you done? Why is the "phasing" in the game actively preventing me and all in out guild to quest togheter? Get you act togheter ffs. /rage quit.

To me both examples are same, its criticism. Difference is the tone, but it has no impact on the messege itself. And i especially dont see why any of the two are better then the other, other then that people seems to get provoced for no real reason and just have to(like an effect of some unknown physical law) point out people are QQing or not constructive enough and what not that selfproclaimed forum knights come up with as an excuse to show their presence.

Blackwidow · June 2014

Raash wrote: »

Could you please define what is your view of "constructive criticism" and what is not?
To me its all a myth, there is no such thing as constructive criticism - there are only criticism.

an example might be in place:

1) Dear Z-max I would like you to fix the issue with phasing since its prevent me and rest of our guild to play togheter smoothly. Sincerely yours, Raash.

Or:
2) What the hell have you done? Why is the "phasing" in the game actively preventing me and all in out guild to quest togheter? Get you act togheter ffs. /rage quit.

To me both examples are same, its criticism. Difference is the tone, but it has no impact on the messege itself. And i especially dont see why any of the two are better then the other, other then that people seems to get provoced for no real reason and just have to(like an effect of some unknown physical law) point out people are QQing or not constructive enough and what not that selfproclaimed forum knights come up with as an excuse to show their presence.

I agree the tone should not matter, but it does on a social level.

Also, here is my point of view on constructive and not.

Constructive: The banks are too small.

Not: ESO is perfect. / ESO sucks.

That does not mean that "ESO sucks" does not have it's place. If someone asks if you like the game, "ESO sucks" is a perfectly good answer. It could always be followed up by "why do you think ESO sucks?"

It's just not constructive as a post by itself. How does ESO suck? Why does ESO suck? What would you change? Any one of these would make it constructive because then a person hearing this would at least have a clue where to go with this information.

@AlienDiplomat said "I hope the team aren't too disheartened by all the negativity" that to me was talking to any post that had issues with the game. So, I was just defending the players right to post about the game issues and the state of the game as it is right now without being called negative.

Again, to me, trying to fix the game is a positive thing. I'm not saying it's okay to be negative, I'm saying posting things bad about the game is not negative if you are just trying to make the game better.

badmojo · June 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

@AlienDiplomat said "I hope the team aren't too disheartened by all the negativity" that to me was talking to any post that had issues with the game. So, I was just defending the players right to post about the game issues and the state of the game as it is right now without being called negative.

He also said...

(read: posts that say things like "this game is ***", "FTP in 10...", etc. For the record I DO support CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, and people with opinions of how to make things better. ).

So after reading that part, how can you say he was talking about ANY post that had issues with the game? He clarified which posts he thinks are negative and expressed his support for constructive criticism.

Blackwidow · June 2014

badmojo wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

@AlienDiplomat said "I hope the team aren't too disheartened by all the negativity" that to me was talking to any post that had issues with the game. So, I was just defending the players right to post about the game issues and the state of the game as it is right now without being called negative.

He also said...

(read: posts that say things like "this game is ***", "FTP in 10...", etc. For the record I DO support CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, and people with opinions of how to make things better. ).

So after reading that part, how can you say he was talking about ANY post that had issues with the game? He clarified which posts he thinks are negative and expressed his support for constructive criticism.

Simple. Read the whole thread. I talk about how it is positive to post about issues and then he tells me i am fighting to say it is okay to post negatively.

So, that equates to posting about issues is negative.

It's like saying, "I'm not a racist but.. (add racist statement here)

Ecco · June 2014

reggielee wrote: »

I mean seriously... kudos to having a great time but you are not a god to gaming

Yes he is, he's a Sorc. Or as Tamriel Foundry refers to them, "The Master Class".

That said, I always appreciate a positive and well written post, even if it might be a little naïve and maybe fishing for some bragging rights a little. The point he didn't make which I think is the real subtext for his post, however, is that some people know how to find the fun in a game, no matter how borked or unbalanced it might be. That's a very worthwhile habit and a blessing in this life. No matter how bad the reviews are for so many games, I have almost always found the way to have fun in them. Kudos to him for finding that in ESO.

badmojo · June 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

Simple. Read the whole thread. I talk about how it is positive to post about issues and then he tells me i am fighting to say it is okay to post negatively.

So, that equates to posting about issues is negative.

It's like saying, "I'm not a racist but.. (add racist statement here)

Perhaps you need to go back and read it again, he said that nit picking semantics in peoples posts makes it a blurry line between constructive and negative. Then goes on to ask why we need to be reminded that it's okay to be negative, and says nobody is disputing it, and cites his previous posts about his support for being constructive and his idea of negativity.

Blackwidow · June 2014

badmojo wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Simple. Read the whole thread. I talk about how it is positive to post about issues and then he tells me i am fighting to say it is okay to post negatively.

So, that equates to posting about issues is negative.

It's like saying, "I'm not a racist but.. (add racist statement here)

Perhaps you need to go back and read it again, he said that nit picking semantics in peoples posts makes it a blurry line between constructive and negative. Then goes on to ask why we need to be reminded that it's okay to be negative, and says nobody is disputing it, and cites his previous posts about his support for being constructive and his idea of negativity.

Ok, so if i said you were not stupid, but you could not add 2+2 with a calculator, you would not feel insulted.

You can call it nitpicking, but I call it as I see it.

Also, the nitpicking he was talking about was me choosing to comment on that one sentence. It had nothing to do with the misunderstanding of the negativity.

I don't really care to keep talking about this with you. This was between he and I.

We already resolved this, so you are just bringing up a dead argument.

badmojo · June 2014

Okay Blackwidow, forgive me for responding the most recent post in the thread. I'll leave you alone now so you can get the last word, and then tell me not to respond to it. How dare I participate in a public forum.

Phinix1 · June 2014

badmojo wrote: »

Okay Blackwidow, forgive me for responding the most recent post in the thread. I'll leave you alone now so you can get the last word, and then tell me not to respond to it. How dare I participate in a public forum.

Some people just argue for the sake of arguing. It doesn't really matter what other people have to say, they don't read it anyway. All they hear is what comes out of their mouth/keyboard and they are convinced somehow the whole world needs to hear it too.

Just ignore them. Eventually they get bored and go away when no one cares.

Singular · June 2014

Cogo wrote: »

There is NO problem getting a group, if you simply try to get one. You know, try yourself, ask people, friends, guild, unknown, me?

If, by "try," you mean "wait as long as it takes...

Oh, wait, sorry, you didn't mean by using the grouping tool. My mistake! You meant by asking everyone you know to join. Yes, that's one way to get a group together.

The grouping tool isn't effective so we have to spam chat, guild and contact channels. Yup.

butterfly442 · June 2014

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

I started off leveling a bit in Shadowfen (solo'd a Wamasu along the way :P), then headed to Craglorn for the first time and quickly joined a group of 12 people running anomalies which leveled me ~600k in about an hour and allowed me to start using my veteran level 5 spell crit, health, and mana pots.

I then looted my first higher level motif (barbaric) from a random container in the Argonian city in Shadowfen, and while celebrating in chat noticed a friend had congratulated me. We subsequently grouped up, did some world bosses, dolmens, and public dungeons we hadn't done. We met another cool person on the way, and proceeded to hop over to Eastmarch and did the Hall of the Dead which was a total blast.

I also began to reconsider my previous position on veteran dungeons being way too hard when something suddenly occurred to me: I was ALWAYS the last in my pug to die, and when I did it was by standing there taking it because my group had died AGAIN. I seemed to be the only one blocking or roll dodging. I seemed to be the only one not dying to spider venom puddles or other avoidable mechanics.

I seemed to always be the one tanking even though I am a Sorcerer not spec'd for it (and no, not because I run around mindlessly attacking stuff). I also seemed to be doing about half of the healing even though again, I am not really spec'd for it. I have great CC (Restraining Prison, Crystal Fragments) and a pretty high crit rate (around 55% when things are in my CC), and between that and my vampire drain and bats, or Illustrious/Healing Ward and Atronach, Daedric Mines and Ward, I can tie up a lot of stuff to help ease pressure on the group.

I realize that while I am not the greatest mage in Tamriel I am reasonably skilled, and have just been getting stuck with really lousy pug experiences. Some day, I hope to meet some people that like running the veteran dungeons and really know what they are doing, because I am sure then I would enjoy those more as well.

As for Craglorn I am glad it is there for when I need to grind out the last of a level, and the group content is always fun.

I am also glad I have yet to even visit Cyrodiil at Veteran level 5, because when I do reach Veteran 12 it will be something new and will hopefully carry me over until they release more raiding, PVE, and RP type content like Dark Brotherhood or Thieves Guild.

Overall I am feeling pretty good about the future of the game. I hope the team aren't too disheartened by all the negativity (read: posts that say things like "this game is ***", "FTP in 10...", etc. For the record I DO support CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, and people with opinions of how to make things better. ).

<with everything else wrong with the world today> ... for me, ESO does make it a little brighter.

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Not impressed.