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Does this game bring out the rage quitter in you?

jesterstear
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I don't know why, I can patiently try an encounter over and over on F.E.A.R on high difficulty before succeeding, but there's something so much more upsetting about being killed in this game. Also I think some of the deaths you get can seem unfair or sadistic, in a way that an honest to goodness first person shooter fail does not.

This video documents my struggles with Magistrix Vox at Veteran Rank 2. This is purely the ones I happened to record, there is no selective editing. At the end, no feeling of triumph, just feelings of rage and grief that go on for hours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH3bBMgYWjE
  • babylon
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    My suggestion (not that you probably want it) is to use your damage skills more often, and use your second weapon bar as well for other helpful skills.
  • Fleymark
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    It's starting to, yes. But it's mainly because of boredom and zones being empty every new vet zone I go to. I don't mind solo questing in this game but I don't play MMOs to be alone and never find people for group content. Three months after release, at that. EQ eventually gave players npc mercenaries to group with when pops dropped but that was almost a decade after release. This is just ridiculous.

    I even today, for the first time since starting, had a look at my subscription page today to see how much time I have left. 10 days to decide if I really want to stick with this. I also picked up watchdogs in case I want something new to do. Haven't started yet but probably will in a bit.

    Bored-quit is probably a more accurate term. But yep.

  • Lunerdog
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    I don't get the "rage quit" thing ever, but I do get frustrated quite a lot which is mainly due to the good old ability lag or two second freeze or not being able to move yet still swing a sword etc.

    Btw I wish my sword had the same reach as the one that some of the mobs use as they can hit me with it from twenty feet away.
  • Evergnar
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    Nah. This game brings out my bi-polar, schizophrenic, running around naked in a straight jacket side. Other than that I enjoy it.
  • Nitratas
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    Yes, ESO was the first game in my gaming career that made me rage so much on the levelling process.
    On the other hand i found most humanoid bosses easy since they can be stunlocked. Have you tried that? cast some knockdown or cc constantly and it will be easy as cake. This looks like an easy boss
    Edited by Nitratas on June 22, 2014 6:21PM
  • Shaun98ca2
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    3rd edit lol

    Should at least TRY a heavy attack after blocking heavy attack.
    Edited by Shaun98ca2 on June 22, 2014 6:27PM
  • Falmer
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    Nope. Have never rage quit a game in my life. Difficulty to me = challenge/puzzle to overcome.

  • jazon1972_ESO
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    Fleymark wrote: »
    It's starting to, yes. But it's mainly because of boredom and zones being empty every new vet zone I go to. I don't mind solo questing in this game but I don't play MMOs to be alone and never find people for group content. Three months after release, at that. EQ eventually gave players npc mercenaries to group with when pops dropped but that was almost a decade after release. This is just ridiculous.

    I even today, for the first time since starting, had a look at my subscription page today to see how much time I have left. 10 days to decide if I really want to stick with this. I also picked up watchdogs in case I want something new to do. Haven't started yet but probably will in a bit.

    Bored-quit is probably a more accurate term. But yep.

    i think the vet areas are just dead because everyone has figured out its is to hard and non rewarding to stick with so the start a new avi in hopes that they will have it fixed by the time they get back to the vet areas.

  • Rosveen
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    I believe ESO is more of a meh quitting kind of game.

    But no. The only game which ever made me rage quit was Dragon Age 2. The disappointment still stings.
  • Fleymark
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    Oh, I'm sure, but this game is so linear I'm really not interested in starting an alt. Any alt I start will be in another game. lol Plus I craft on my main and want to keep building. His build in general. Love my toon. Just bored with doing the same thing over and over and then having to constantly backtrack to dolmens and bosses when there are finally people around, etc.

    There is really no good reason for the upper levels of an MMO to be empty 3 months after release.
  • Nox_Aeterna
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    Nah , not much , never had HUGE issues , only got "stuck" 2 times in this game.

    1: Fighting Molag Bal , not because of him mind you , but in the sequence before you reach him , where he tossed down 1 hit kill mortal balls on me , which added to the fact i was a vampire who had to deal with all the fire things on the way to him with 0 soul stones created a annoying situation. Still , once i got to the top , finally , he was not hard.

    2: When they nerfed bitting jabs , because it was such offensive nerf to my templar , i just rage quit the game.
    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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  • kaosodin
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    Falmer wrote: »
    Nope. Have never rage quit a game in my life. Difficulty to me = challenge/puzzle to overcome.

    Hehe. Yea, me to.

  • Corew
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    Nitratas wrote: »
    On the other hand i found most humanoid bosses easy since they can be stunlocked. Have you tried that? cast some knockdown or cc constantly and it will be easy as cake. This looks like an easy boss

    At VR levels this boss can't be stunned, CC'd, snared etc.. she's immune to everything. She's also on perma sprint, hits like a truck.. such fun :angry:
  • jesterstear
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    Shaun98ca2 wrote: »
    3rd edit lol

    Should at least TRY a heavy attack after blocking heavy attack.

    This boss is CC immune, not that I have any on my char. And yes, I have tried heavy attack after blocking and it doesn't knock her down or stun her like with normals.

    Was wearing 5 L 2 Heavy, might go for more heavy since I still had magika left every time I died. Health is basically softcapped.


    The story line's pretty fun, I guess that's why, in spite everything, I slog through it.
    Edited by jesterstear on June 22, 2014 6:47PM
  • Bromburak
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    No offence, just being honest with you.

    I have seen a couple player mistakes (it happens).

    In some situations you were a stationary tank , doing nothing useful just blocking. You could have been more efficient and get some advantages out of certain situations. Like switching earlier get away from mob while refreshing hots and use some damage skills while kiting before switching back to shield.

    Btw. where are your buffs when you really need them and have some time to refresh em? And why did you pull first and then cast mutagen instead shortly before pulling?

    All those little things cause senseless HP drops and costs time for overall dps.

    And why are you kiting stuff to a place you can't deal with, like well known narrow places like stairs tons of collision detections that cause some trouble.

    As well you were standing at some places for a very long time, why did you decide to pull them all over the place but then stop on a specific narrow place like stairs? What did you try todo? What was the purpose of moving and then being stationary again, your timing was really weird.

    Edited by Bromburak on June 22, 2014 7:14PM
  • Eivar
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    lol I love how you kited the boss to the stairs, died to the restricted area, then complained about it. cuz thats zenimax's fault.....lolol funny video
  • AreoHotah
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    I RAGE when i'm trying to back of from an heavy attack and the mo fo still hits me with a dagger from 5 feet away...

    I RAGE when i go behind a rock and the mo fo shoots a spell throught the big ass rock like it's a cloud....

    I RAGE when i press a button to cast a spell and it works after 2 seconds...

    Many more but too sleepy to think...
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  • jesterstear
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    Bromburak wrote: »
    No offence, just being honest with you.

    I have seen a couple player mistakes (it happens).

    Never said I didn't make any. Sorry I was performing at the limit of skill, whatever that might be. Have you ever recorded your own boss fights and watched them back frame by frame? We all make more mistakes than we think at the time.
    Bromburak wrote: »

    In some situations you were a stationary tank , doing nothing useful just blocking.

    Don't know if you can see at youtube quality but power attacks come often... besides, with multiple adds it got to the point where all I could do was spam heal and try to dodge what I could. Auto attack if I can but I need to preserve my power and stamina.
    Bromburak wrote: »

    Some moments you could have been more efficient and get some advantages out of certain situations. Like switching earlier get away from mob while refreshing hots and use some damage skills while kiting before switching back to shield.

    I was frantically busy mashing buttons as it was.. I don't have the kind of reflexes you talk about. 250ms on average, I've cheked.
    Bromburak wrote: »

    And why did you pull and then cast mutagen instead shortly before pulling?

    All those little things costs you HP and time for overall dps.

    Stress ? Panic? My first go was the first ever go and the boss caught me unawares, I didn't know where she'd spawn. I was trying to swap to my sword and shield bar then use my armour buff skill Ransack, but Mutagen is on the same button and the weapon swap never happened. Meanwhile trying to move and autoattack and block.
    Bromburak wrote: »


    And why you try stuff on a narrow place like known issues with stairs (as your comment says). So basically you know that narrow places will cause problems when dodge or dealing with adds, why did you pull them to stairs then if you know that some trouble awaits you?

    Because I was getting murdered by the ghosts, I asked for advice and no-one mentioned ghosts being a problem, I thought I was getting the adds when my guild mate wasn't because of my positioning. It turns out he just nuked Vox down so fast no adds came.



    I never said I was a good player or that the boss is impossible for good players to beat. But the way deaths that occur due to lag spikes and user interface issues frustrate more than others. When you know what you need to do but can't make your character do it = more frustrating, than just doing the wrong move or not knowing what to do.

    It's also a lot more upsetting witnessing your character death in this game than some faceless marine in a FPS I find. Particularly as these games, the death never occurs in the protagonist's timeline... you go back to the last checkpoint, everything was as it was before the unsuccessful encounter. As opposed to running back from the rez point with holes in your armour , stepping over all the corpses of your previous failures.




  • Tavore1138
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    Vox is unique, at VR7 she is hideous, I have not been blocked by anything else that should be solo content but her so far in this game.

    She is CC immune, she hits thru blocks, she can see you while invisible, she has infinite adds with their own nasty specials which sync with hers.

    She is what Molag Bal has nightmares about.

    She is evil and I hope whoever designed her gets a nasty rash.
  • jesterstear
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    Eivar wrote: »
    lol I love how you kited the boss to the stairs, died to the restricted area, then complained about it. cuz thats zenimax's fault.....lolol funny video

    Stress and frustration... that's kind of the point Eivar.

    Which i'm kind of experiencing still and so stop gloating. I never said I was perfect.
  • phtony06b14_ESO
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    The mechanical issues that require me to alt/tab/delete & end ESO.exe process b/c the game is stuck in a continuous loading screen loop or when I'm unable to use "E", "Escape", "R" often leave me unwilling to reboot the game. More of a feeling of frustration than rage.
  • Corew
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    She is evil and I hope whoever designed her gets a nasty rash.

    Agreed, and in the worst place imaginable too
  • Bromburak
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    Sorry I was performing at the limit of skill, whatever that might be. Have you ever recorded your own boss fights and watched them back frame by frame? We all make more mistakes than we think at the time.

    Thats why we analyze fights and learn from our mistakes!

    You might should think about my previous post and see my points as help to improve yourself ...
    Edited by Bromburak on June 22, 2014 7:35PM
  • Evergnar
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    Bromburak wrote: »
    No offence, just being honest with you.

    I have seen a couple player mistakes (it happens).

    In some situations you were a stationary tank , doing nothing useful just blocking. You could have been more efficient and get some advantages out of certain situations. Like switching earlier get away from mob while refreshing hots and use some damage skills while kiting before switching back to shield.

    Btw. where are your buffs when you really need them and have some time to refresh em? And why did you pull first and then cast mutagen instead shortly before pulling?

    All those little things cause senseless HP drops and costs time for overall dps.

    And why are you kiting stuff to a place you can't deal with, like well known narrow places like stairs tons of collision detections that cause some trouble.

    As well you were standing at some places for a very long time, why did you decide to pull them all over the place but then stop on a specific narrow place like stairs? What did you try todo? What was the purpose of moving and then being stationary again, your timing was really weird.
    Good advice.
    I'd also say try moving around more. I don't think your build is capable of being that tanky. Pick a predetermined, open path to run around in.

    Forget about the spirits. They are pointless. Don't waste anything on them. Just keep immobilizing them and create some separation from them. Drag the boss with you and focus on her and keep your buffs hot.
    Edited by Evergnar on June 22, 2014 7:46PM
  • jesterstear
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    Bromburak wrote: »
    Sorry I was performing at the limit of skill, whatever that might be. Have you ever recorded your own boss fights and watched them back frame by frame? We all make more mistakes than we think at the time.

    Thats why we analyze fights and learn from our mistakes!

    You might should think about my previous post and see my points as help to improve yourself ...

    Now i'm getting the "impertinent/egotistical child" treatment!

    I took onboard what you said that's why I took the time to respond in detail.

    Am I not allowed to reply at all, to explain how I came to make the mistakes I made? I'm not rejecting your advice or saying I know better. It's just more information for you.
  • Worstluck
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    I know nothing about high level templar play, but I would only suggest that you use Quick Siphon on the boss on your second bar with resto staff. Just keep that on the boss at all times, really helps and works much better than Degeneration. Also, you can try using volcanic rune if you want to keep those spirits at bay. That fight sucks regardless. Like a lot of veteran content, it seems over-tuned since the 1.1.2 patch. Good luck.
    Worstluck - Breton Nightblade "Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own."
    ―Madanach
    Elfluck - Dunmer Dragonknight "When I will walk the earth again, the Faithful among you shall receive your reward: to be set above all other mortals forever. As for the rest: the weak shall be winnowed: the timid shall be cast down: the mighty shall tremble at my feet and pray for pardon."
    ―Mehrunes Dagon
    Deadluck -Imperial Templar "Men are but flesh and blood. They know their doom, but not the hour"
    ―Uriel Septim

    Daggerfall Covenant
  • Spiritreaver_ESO
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    @ the OP

    Not in the slightest. I played Final Fantasy XI for over 10 years, that kinda helps you put soul-crushing gameplay on a whole other scale. The most TESO has illicited in me is prolly a mild to medium annoyance. And that is including the silliness that was the broken library lamp quest in the Labyrinth in Coldharbour.
  • jesterstear
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    Worstluck wrote: »
    I know nothing about high level templar play, but I would only suggest that you use Quick Siphon on the boss on your second bar with resto staff. Just keep that on the boss at all times, really helps and works much better than Degeneration. Also, you can try using volcanic rune if you want to keep those spirits at bay. That fight sucks regardless. Like a lot of veteran content, it seems over-tuned since the 1.1.2 patch. Good luck.

    Yes thinking about it, fire rune/volcanic rune would have made things much easier. I could handle the boss fine. Think i'll finally put some points in it. Can you tell me what that quick syphon does on your toolbar? I've googled it but the generic tooltip gives me no idea what the magika cost is vs heal amount on a similar level character.

    Degeneration is pretty efficient and can be stacked on multiple mobs , which is what I was doing when getting ganged ..

    On my character, Degeneration does 264 damage over 14.4 seconds.

    It has 3 ticks of 89 health restored, and a 15% chance of weapon attack healing player for 115% of damage caused.

    For 118 Magika that's a bargain.

    Soon i'll be perfectly prepared to face... the last boss I fought, not the one I am going to be facing next.

  • Worstluck
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    Quick Siphon (morph of Force Siphon, last skill in resto line) gives you and your allies health when you attack the NPC it's been cast on. It lasts for 20 seconds and is cast instantly. Spirit Siphon works as well, and it restores Magicka on attack, but it has a cast time. You can use this in addition to Degeneration and get some nice healing. I don't know the math sorry, I just know from my experience it works well.
    Edited by Worstluck on June 22, 2014 9:13PM
    Worstluck - Breton Nightblade "Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own."
    ―Madanach
    Elfluck - Dunmer Dragonknight "When I will walk the earth again, the Faithful among you shall receive your reward: to be set above all other mortals forever. As for the rest: the weak shall be winnowed: the timid shall be cast down: the mighty shall tremble at my feet and pray for pardon."
    ―Mehrunes Dagon
    Deadluck -Imperial Templar "Men are but flesh and blood. They know their doom, but not the hour"
    ―Uriel Septim

    Daggerfall Covenant
  • Sakiri
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    Yes. In fact its someone elses ragequit thats caused mine.
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