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Do you really want arena PvP?
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quakedawg_ESO✭✭✭No.Service announcement: Did anyone who played Dark age of Camelot in it's prime ever hear about MLG back 'in the day'?
You really can't say WoW is a PvP game with a straight face. Only players who truly believe WoW was the first MMO will lay that claim.Pro Tip: Form a group of 4 and hang out with the zerg. Now you can claim you only run with 4. I'm l33t
'I've never died in AvA. Undefeated!'
'My group of 4 will often take on 100+ with no problem. I have videos to prove it'
'All the abilities on my keyboard require real skill to spam'2 -
LanpromSoul ShrivenYes.Yes.
There would no interest for me in endgame if there won't be anything like arena.2 -
Sheneria✭✭✭No.nan.jieb17_ESO wrote: »
Not if only you want it but if 37% of the customers want it well then it should have an impact on their decisionmaking.
Its not 37% of the customers. To be more precise its 37% of the people (who do not need to be subscribed to the game) visiting this thread and decide to participate in the vote.
And to be blunt its only 160 people (and this despite the rallying efforts) who really want Arenas.
You guys should face reality, nobody wants Arenas in this game and you should keep moving on to games that are made and balanced for this kind of playstyle.4 -
Nazon_Katts✭✭✭✭✭Yes.While this poll might not deliver any metrics for a direct projection of how many people might really be interested in arenas, we've still seen an over proportional leave of PvPers in this game. It's obvious just by looking at campaign numbers.
Therefore it seems a rather safe assumption, that the sample voting here, does not even draw from the target group, as most of them are gone or may not have touched the game yet.
Under this premise, a third voting for arenas, is probably way less than the true demand for them. So the question is, can they draw players (back) in more easily and better in other ways."You've probably figured that out by now. Let's hope so. Or we're in real trouble... and out come the intestines. And I skip rope with them!"3 -
Yes.nan.jieb17_ESO wrote: »
Not if only you want it but if 37% of the customers want it well then it should have an impact on their decisionmaking.
Its not 37% of the customers. To be more precise its 37% of the people (who do not need to be subscribed to the game) visiting this thread and decide to participate in the vote.
And to be blunt its only 160 people (and this despite the rallying efforts) who really want Arenas.
You guys should face reality, nobody wants Arenas in this game and you should keep moving on to games that are made and balanced for this kind of playstyle.
Since you havnt been in the discussion you cant know but we assumed this poll to be representative.
Because clydus claimed so. :P
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Enderus✭✭Only if it's actually something unique. Maybe something a little like the Imperial Arena in Oblivion, with fairly varied mockup fights. You could have one on one duels, team fights, and even fights against really tough npc's/mobs, etc etc.
It would be be especially cool if players could spectate from the sidelines and watch the fights, cheering and jeering at the fighters below.
Edit: And another random thought would be having small-sum wagers players could bet on. Just for a little extra fun.Edited by Enderus on June 22, 2014 4:15PM0 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭No.JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »Even super smash bros is hosted by MLG
Implying MLG has anything to do with good games.
You need to understand the vast majority of players want to have a couple (or more) hours of fun after a hard day of work/study: a balanced, fun, working game that delivers what promised is all they ask for.
Gaming on a "pro" level, whatever that means, is something only a very small minority of gamers - usually with too much time to spare - are interested in.
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No.Simply put, no.
As a community, WE can go to a dead server, find a quiet spot where there's no one to show up and harass the participants, and do our own arena style PVP. It can be community driven and can exist right now thanks to teamspeak and a civil communication between guilds that would like to participate from all three factions.
Why add something that can break the game? Why not implement a system ran completely by the players (it's been done before in other games) so zenimax's team can focus on the REAL issues plaguing this game?
*mic drop*5 -
nvsg✭✭✭Yes.saying no is like forcing us to play with you seriously I can imagine the arena wait rooms like they had in oblivion and out into the light of the arena man its so beautiful haha2 -
quakedawg_ESO✭✭✭No.mikeymike2785b14_ESO wrote: »Simply put, no.
As a community, WE can go to a dead server, find a quiet spot where there's no one to show up and harass the participants, and do our own arena style PVP. It can be community driven and can exist right now thanks to teamspeak and a civil communication between guilds that would like to participate from all three factions.
Why add something that can break the game? Why not implement a system ran completely by the players (it's been done before in other games) so zenimax's team can focus on the REAL issues plaguing this game?
*mic drop*
Good solution. Take those little 4 man, 8 man, or whatever group to a nice quiet campaign and have at it. If someone does break it up, well, that is PvP.
Pro Tip: Form a group of 4 and hang out with the zerg. Now you can claim you only run with 4. I'm l33t
'I've never died in AvA. Undefeated!'
'My group of 4 will often take on 100+ with no problem. I have videos to prove it'
'All the abilities on my keyboard require real skill to spam'3 -
No.People won't show up to ruin it if they do it right, and if people do show up and ruin it, find another spot.
Personally I wanted to do a guild 30vs30vs30 all 3 factions show up and be civil, and have 3v3 matches all the way up to 10v10s. Maybe end the night with a massive 3 way slugfest between the three guilds. If zergs DO show up, the other two factions can just crush it while the faction at faults participants just hide.
People may think this idea is stupid due to Zergs and trolls ruining it. That'll only happen if you tell everyone and/or include people who can't be trusted.
This could not only work, but revive a game we all like in a way nobody expected. At the same time, it'll free up zenimax's team to do more important things.3 -
Imperator_Clydus✭✭✭✭No.nan.jieb17_ESO wrote: »It always is xD hahahahaha
Best argumentation ever, when we have people like you forumfighting in every MMOs forum we will never have arena again. There will also be no arena done right if devs are not "allowed" to implement one.
Of course skill is also about doing the math and adjust your equip to your playstyle. What you describe as skill is just experience I could train an ape to do that. But if you want to be on one level with the ape I trained... your choice.
(If there is a limited amount of possibilities it can be trained
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(Skill is about being steps ahead not about reacting properly as it can be seen in chess)
LOL, sorcs and DKs will not be as op as they are currently in rvr simply because you can counter them easily in 1on1 not so easily in 50vs50.
(for advices you can write me a pm I gladly help you out there is much of work to do )
Opposite is the case. Is it easy the pugs will do it, if it requires a rotation its way too much work.
No, you are not telling anybody to leave directly with those words you do it the political way. The author can always say "that was not my intention read the book again" but here in forums nobody cares about the political blabla, what people think you said thats what you said.
And I wouldnt call 37% a minority please you make a joke out of the word minority. 37% can speak for themselves well and have power. They even could form a government in reallife. (explaining basic things because education is a rare gift in specific western countries is exhausting btw
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Not if only you want it but if 37% of the customers want it well then it should have an impact on their decisionmaking.
If you want to get me with the 6x% against let me tell you that in my opinion arenas will not impact classbalance as much as rvr does right now.
You really don't listen well. I'm fine with an arena if it's implemented in a certain way. I am not fine with the traditional WoW-type arena that has never been a good PvP system.
If skill is only min/maxing and spamming a rotation, that says a lot about you already. You couldn't be farther from the truth. Anyone can have the perfect build and perfect rotation. That doesn't make them skilled and I have seen plenty who still fail in that regard.
Where in that quote did I mention sorcs or DKs? Nightblades will likely become one of if not the top class based on how much DPS in can generate in small quarters.
Are you new to MMOs? There hasn't been an MMO that required a true rotation in over a decade. Every MMO that has come out recently is on the skill level of a 10 year old and anyone can play them. There is no such thing as challenge in a mainstream casual AAA Theme Park.
You are just ranting about nonsense in this post. I'm interested in ZOS saving this game instead of destroying it like BioWare did with SWTOR.
What 37% seem to want is some form of small scale PvP. Again, this can be accommodated in Cyrodiil. If ZOS were to use an arena idea similar to mine, or just implement better ways of encouraging small scale PvP in Cyrodiil, most of you would be happy.The First Daggerfall Emperor of Tamriel on Bloodthorn and Guild Leader of Shehai4 -
Imperator_Clydus✭✭✭✭No.JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »You're calling DAOC the best PvP MMO yet the only MMO that have been hosted at mlg for their PvP is WoW, Planetside 2 and gw2.
Not DAOC, never DAOC.
Even super smash bros is hosted by MLG
Perhaps you may not know this, but DAoC came out in 2001. When DAoC was in its prime, MMORPGs were still a niche. WoW did not come out until 2004 and didn't become big until much later.
So you are comparing DAoC, an old school MMO, to the biggest mainstream PvE MMO, and two B2P/F2P MMOs (if you even want to really call Planetside an MMO) that were released in the last couple of years. Yeah, that seems practical.The First Daggerfall Emperor of Tamriel on Bloodthorn and Guild Leader of Shehai3 -
Imperator_Clydus✭✭✭✭No.Nazon_Katts wrote: »While this poll might not deliver any metrics for a direct projection of how many people might really be interested in arenas, we've still seen an over proportional leave of PvPers in this game. It's obvious just by looking at campaign numbers.
Therefore it seems a rather safe assumption, that the sample voting here, does not even draw from the target group, as most of them are gone or may not have touched the game yet.
Under this premise, a third voting for arenas, is probably way less than the true demand for them. So the question is, can they draw players (back) in more easily and better in other ways.
This isn't logical.
For one, I can tell you many in my guild who currently aren't playing and aren't subscribed have voted in this thread. You do not need to be a subscriber or even an active player in ESO to participate in a forum poll.
You should also be asking the question of why many PvPers have left the game. From the ones I've personally talked to, they left because ZOS is failing to fix and resolve the many issues with AvA. It has absolutely nothing to do with wanting an arena.
For those who actually knew what they were buying, they did not purchase this game only to be disappointed there were no arenas. People came here to play AvA, and ZOS has done a terrible job of providing a quality experience. These players are more likely to come back when AvA is working rather than ZOS disregarding it and adding in arenas.The First Daggerfall Emperor of Tamriel on Bloodthorn and Guild Leader of Shehai5 -
Imperator_Clydus✭✭✭✭No.Only if it's actually something unique. Maybe something a little like the Imperial Arena in Oblivion, with fairly varied mockup fights. You could have one on one duels, team fights, and even fights against really tough npc's/mobs, etc etc.
It would be be especially cool if players could spectate from the sidelines and watch the fights, cheering and jeering at the fighters below.
Edit: And another random thought would be having small-sum wagers players could bet on. Just for a little extra fun.
You should read the OP and click on my link to my thread about arenas. You more or less are summing up how I would implement the system in ESO.The First Daggerfall Emperor of Tamriel on Bloodthorn and Guild Leader of Shehai2 -
No.Getting caught up all at once eh? :P that system myself and Enderus spoke of that involves us just cheering on our faction from the sidelines, that's doable. It comes down to who wants to do it ourselves?0
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Imperator_Clydus✭✭✭✭No.mikeymike2785b14_ESO wrote: »Getting caught up all at once eh? :P that system myself and Enderus spoke of that involves us just cheering on our faction from the sidelines, that's doable. It comes down to who wants to do it ourselves?
For the few in here fighting for arenas, this has little to do with just wanting small scale PvP. We've already proven it can be done and has been done in ESO already. These players just want a WoW-type arena, I suppose to boast about how amazing they are at e-sports. Whatever the case may be, I believe there is a common ground here where everybody can be pleased.The First Daggerfall Emperor of Tamriel on Bloodthorn and Guild Leader of Shehai3 -
Enderus✭✭
Ah... oops, my apologies. I don't know how I managed to completely miss that. I guess I've seen so many unproductive threads/topics on these forums that I went with the (half-conscious) assumption that this thread had been started as a ranty response to the arena announcement. Once again, my deepest apologies. Although it is good to see that we are of one mind on the matter eh?Imperator_Clydus wrote: »Only if it's actually something unique. Maybe something a little like the Imperial Arena in Oblivion, with fairly varied mockup fights. You could have one on one duels, team fights, and even fights against really tough npc's/mobs, etc etc.
It would be be especially cool if players could spectate from the sidelines and watch the fights, cheering and jeering at the fighters below.
Edit: And another random thought would be having small-sum wagers players could bet on. Just for a little extra fun.
You should read the OP and click on my link to my thread about arenas. You more or less are summing up how I would implement the system in ESO.
I really hope Zenimax is listening to some of this (or already came to similar conclusions). There are so many ways that ESO can really break from the mold of MMO trends, and I'd love to see more really creative ideas implemented into the game.Edited by Enderus on June 23, 2014 9:02PM0 -
Imperator_Clydus✭✭✭✭No.Ah... oops, my apologies. I don't know how I managed to completely miss that. I guess I've seen so many unproductive threads/topics on these forums that I went with the (half-conscious) assumption that this thread had been started as a ranty response to the arena announcement. Once again, my deepest apologies. Although it is good to see that we are of one mind on the matter eh?
I really hope Zenimax is listening to some of this (or already came to similar conclusions). There are so many ways that ESO can really break from the mold of MMO trends, and I'd love to see more really creative ideas implemented into the game.
No worries. Many people are willing to voice concerns about issues, but rarely do they provide potential solutions. I am not personally against the idea of an arena. I just do not want to see a WoW-type arena implemented into the game. I do not believe that would fit the fabric of ESO in the slightest and would do more harm than good.
Hopefully ZOS will use the TES franchise to inspire future ideas and content. The Arena from Oblivion would be a perfect addition to the current PvP system. There is absolutely no reason they could not go that direction. It's something that no other game does and it fits perfectly with the TES lore.The First Daggerfall Emperor of Tamriel on Bloodthorn and Guild Leader of Shehai2 -
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✭Yes.Open world is great and all but can become too much at times i would like to kick back into some capture the flags or 2v2 etc instead of constant zerg and lag fests.3 -
SBR_QuorTek✭✭✭No.Simple solution to all this... allow cross faction communications... arrange your own matches somewhere remote, get the server consent of this or that area currently is hosted for those events.
A new system or game system is not really the way with current setup.1 -
quakedawg_ESO✭✭✭No.Can't allow cross faction communication without it causing a slew of other issues. Just have an open Team Speak that guilds can coordinate. Find an empty campaign and knock yourself out. No extra work for Dev and player controlled.Pro Tip: Form a group of 4 and hang out with the zerg. Now you can claim you only run with 4. I'm l33t
'I've never died in AvA. Undefeated!'
'My group of 4 will often take on 100+ with no problem. I have videos to prove it'
'All the abilities on my keyboard require real skill to spam'1 -
Imperator_Clydus✭✭✭✭No.SBR_QuorTek wrote: »Simple solution to all this... allow cross faction communications... arrange your own matches somewhere remote, get the server consent of this or that area currently is hosted for those events.
A new system or game system is not really the way with current setup.
Cross faction communication is already possible. I already know of guilds who have been organizing their own small scale PvP with other alliances. The justification for needing a WoW-type arena system really isn't there.The First Daggerfall Emperor of Tamriel on Bloodthorn and Guild Leader of Shehai2 -
Imperator_Clydus✭✭✭✭No.quakedawg_ESO wrote: »Can't allow cross faction communication without it causing a slew of other issues. Just have an open Team Speak that guilds can coordinate. Find an empty campaign and knock yourself out. No extra work for Dev and player controlled.
Again, cross faction communication is already possible and has been since beta. You can whisper anyone in Cyrodiil regardless of their faction.
Especially with the current condition of most of the campaigns, this would be the perfect opportunity to organize small scale PvP. You are very unlikely to have opposition and you can organize any kind of small scale events you'd like.
ZOS is allowed to commit all of their time and resources to the game that already exists and players dictate exactly how small scale PvP works and who they compete against.
Anyone who disagrees with this merely proves the point they want a WoW-type arena to purely boast how amazing they are, which adds little value to ESO.The First Daggerfall Emperor of Tamriel on Bloodthorn and Guild Leader of Shehai2 -
Imperator_Clydus✭✭✭✭No.Imperator_Clydus wrote: »Anyone who disagrees with this merely proves the point they want a WoW-type arena to purely boast how amazing they are, which adds little value to ESO.
"Anyone against arenas is crappy blob runner zerger trying avoid equal number combat". Not less true that your idiotic statement.
Btw, l2multiquote instead spamming 2-3 posts one after another every time.
Nice. You are just reasserting the point I made. You don't need an arena to avoid "crappy blob runner zerg" and to have "equal number combat." You haven't provided any rational basis for the need of having an arena.
Your typical petty and nonsensical insults merely reinforces my point that you have nothing to add to this discussion. You may as well just refrain from posting in this thread henceforth.The First Daggerfall Emperor of Tamriel on Bloodthorn and Guild Leader of Shehai2 -
No.I really don't see any issues towards there being a 3v3v3 arena.
Whether the players want it or not, if Zenimax feel that it's going to become something to lure players towards PvP, that's something they're going to implement -
I'm sorry, but for all you saying no, you're being very selfish towards the others, not everyone enjoys hardcore PvP 24/7, it's nice to a have break to group up with 2 others players to vs 3 members from each Alliance.
Everyone has their own opinion, and anyone saying otherwise is a complete hypocrite/.
are you kidding. all pvp is full of hardcore pvpers so if its 3v3v3 you can be sure you will come across top tier players more often not less. then it will highlight the top players builds and people will all start complaining for nerfs when part of the reason is they are better players using more efficient builds who are using mics and play well as a group. but a lot of people will just complain everything they do is broken.
there is a lot more room in bigger groups for more diverse roles, and that is what the whole game was designed around.
If they decide they can implement it and feel confident I will contribute and not detriment the game then good luck, but please lets focus on balance and bugs a while longer.
maybe the 3x3x3 will somehow be worked into the capitol city, the only context I could understand focusing on this now.0 -
Gravord✭✭✭✭✭Yes.Imperator_Clydus wrote: »Nice. You are just reasserting the point I made. You don't need an arena to avoid "crappy blob runner zerg" and to have "equal number combat." You haven't provided any rational basis for the need of having an arena.
Your typical petty and nonsensical insults merely reinforces my point that you have nothing to add to this discussion. You may as well just refrain from posting in this thread henceforth.
This topic contain plenty of good arguments to bring arenas into game. Just learn to read and understood points of view you dont disagree. Calling everything you disagree nonsense argument is not the way to discuss things. And ill not post same good arguments again and again so you can keep ignore them and post your wall of text having same concerns that was replied dozens of time before. If you didnt spot good reasons to bring arena go back to page 1 and start again.Edited by Gravord on June 24, 2014 9:22PM2 -
Gwarok✭✭✭No.I am not sure if I have commented yet on this (copycat?) poll or not ... Aaaannnnnd... I am neither going to scroll through this thread OR my 400+ comments I have posted since the game launched just to check..... */byte me!*
I am one of those that are dancing on the dagger blade about having duels added to the game.
I honestly don't care if dueling is implemented, IF those that want it WILL accept that I, myself, and others can have acceptable terms of agreement of:
1. An automatic toggle to DENY any and ALL duels.
2. Duels are ONLY allowed in Cyrodiil... ONLY ...NO ACCEPTIONS!!! (What ever faction you are in where you spawn into Cyrodiil ,THAT is the ONLY place you can duel.)...seeing a bunch of /jumping jackrabbits in a main city/hub just really SUCKS!!!
4. If you get your milk drinking [snip] handed to you in a duel you CAN NOT and WILL NOT come crying to these forums like little QQ-ing milkdrinker to shout out for a nerf that this class or that class/this skill or that skill is OP. (Doing so is an automatic DELETION of that thread and costs the QQ'er an infraction point.)
THESE the ONLY acceptable terms I and others ARE willing to accept!!!
#Autocraticdictatorialtotalitarialpatriarchalmatriarchalmonarchicalfeudalaristocra-ticaloligarchicalplutocraticalanarchicialautarchicautocephaloustheocraticism!!!
##SKOOMA!!!Edited by Gwarok on June 24, 2014 10:26PM"Strive for balance of all things. When the scales tip to one side or the other, someone or somethings gets short-changed. When someone gets short-changed, unpredictability and strife unbalance the world around us...To achieve freedom from greed, from want, and from strife, all parties in any exchange MUST find balance." -House Hlaalu's Philosophy of Trade
"I am ALWAYS very busy, so I KNOW what's best. You need to stay away from the waterfall. TRUST ME, you're better off keeping busy than playing in the stream....Do you know how to swim, Little Scrib?"
"I am but a simple farmer". -Rags'nar LodesBroke
#SKOOMA!
(Juliet):
...it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man.
O, be some other name!
What's in a name?
That which we call a rose?
By any other name would smell as sweet.
Retain that dear perfection to which he owes...
(Act II, Scene II -William Shakespeare's: Romeo & Juliet -1595 A.D.)0 -
Imperator_Clydus✭✭✭✭No.I am not sure if I have commented yet on this (copycat?) poll or not ... Aaaannnnnd... I am neither going to scroll through this thread OR my 400+ comments I have posted since the game launched just to check..... */byte me!*
I am one of those that are dancing on the dagger blade about having duels added to the game.
I honestly don't care if dueling is implemented, IF those that want it WILL accept that I, myself, and others can have acceptable terms of agreement of:
1. An automatic toggle to DENY any and ALL duels.
2. Duels are ONLY allowed in Cyrodiil... ONLY ...NO ACCEPTIONS!!! (What ever faction you are in where you spawn into Cyrodiil ,THAT is the ONLY place you can duel.)...seeing a bunch of /jumping jackrabbits in a main city/hub just really SUCKS!!!
4. If you get your milk drinking [snip] handed to you in a duel you CAN NOT and WILL NOT come crying to these forums like little QQ-ing milkdrinker to shout out for a nerf that this class or that class/this skill or that skill is OP. (Doing so is an automatic DELETION of that thread and costs the QQ'er an infraction point.)
THESE the ONLY acceptable terms I and others ARE willing to accept!!!
#Autocraticdictatorialtotalitarialpatriarchalmatriarchalmonarchicalfeudalaristocra-ticaloligarchicalplutocraticalanarchicialautarchicautocephaloustheocraticism!!!
##SKOOMA!!!
I think a dueling system is certainly more practical and wouldn't require nearly the same amount of work. That would hardly satisfy those in here who are calling for small scale PvP, 8v8s, etc., however.
That being said, you and I both know that if an arena or this were to ever be implemented, there would just be more complaining and whining on the forums. It would be unavoidable and ZOS would merely be digging their own grave further complicating a game that is much too open and allows for way too many possibilities and builds.The First Daggerfall Emperor of Tamriel on Bloodthorn and Guild Leader of Shehai1 -
Yes.Imperator_Clydus wrote: »
I think a dueling system is certainly more practical and wouldn't require nearly the same amount of work. That would hardly satisfy those in here who are calling for small scale PvP, 8v8s, etc., however.
That being said, you and I both know that if an arena or this were to ever be implemented, there would just be more complaining and whining on the forums. It would be unavoidable and ZOS would merely be digging their own grave further complicating a game that is much too open and allows for way too many possibilities and builds.
So? Since the most threads in this forum complain about pve they should remove pve content or what? People in forums will always whine thats why they come here. People whine because their bagspace is too small, people whine because there is no housing, if there was housing people would whine because there are no beds/chairs/... etc.
I dont see why Zenimax should avoid changes to avoid whining, they should give us some endcontent worth playing to keep the subs they currently have thats how you keep the game alive.
Status quo is barely satisfying since more people than usual seem to be leaving.
The endcontent we have is *** in my opinion. Playing only for the few achievement unlocks left is not what I call endcontent.
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