I just spent 22k to change a single morph

Gern_Verkheart · June 2014

ZOS, why is this still a thing, why is this not being addressed? Why did you ever think this was a good idea to begin with?

I should be able to at least just pay to reset a single skill tree, instead of every single skill point all at once.

Mablung · June 2014

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

ZOS, why is this still a thing, why is this not being addressed? Why did you ever think this was a good idea to begin with?

I should be able to at least just pay to reset a single skill tree, instead of every single skill point all at once.

The answer is simple. The game was poorly designed.

jelliedsoup · June 2014

Makes me wonder if they gave some role in the gold selling. I have dark cloak but it would cost me 16k to respec a faulty skill.

wrlifeboil · June 2014

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

ZOS, why is this still a thing, why is this not being addressed? Why did you ever think this was a good idea to begin with?

I should be able to at least just pay to reset a single skill tree, instead of every single skill point all at once.

The fee to change specs/ability morphs is a gold and time sink. It's one of those givens in the game like hearts and diamonds are red for playing cards.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · June 2014

Your choices have consequences. Oh no!

PBpsy · June 2014

I have just spent 25000 to get rid of about 60 useless skills.

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Your choices have consequences. Oh no!

In this game no . They do not really have any consequences each way you go in the rare case there is a choice the outcome is always the same or the choice is forgotten never to be mentioned again. Not even when you let some Npc die because they have the self resurrect spell mastered.

Oogly · June 2014

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Your choices have consequences. Oh no!

Sigh. Is is that hard to imagine where he's coming from?

Let's promote build diversity, but make you spend boatloads of money to change a couple of points. The list is so incredibly long as to why this is an unfortunate choice by ZOS.

Ppl want to play the game, try out new stuff. Heck, sometimes they just want to see what it looks like. How else are they supposed to know. It's supposed to be fun.
There's no reason why they shouldnt allow you to change just morphs. Charge double, I dont care.

If you want to be witty and stuff go and make a thread about how these so called important choices you make in game barely have any consequences.

Theegoliath · June 2014

There have been so many posts about this. I still feel they should add an option to just unlearn a single skill, skill line, or all. For different amounts of gold. The more you redo, the bigger the discount.

Adding a barber shop for changing appearance would be awesome too : )

OrangeTheCat · June 2014

I know, right? I have about 6 skills I really want to re-do now that I understand how they work. But no way in hell I am going to spend 20K+ gold or even half that much to do it. I'll wait for ZOS to come to its senses and if not....?

Blackwidow · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

ZOS, why is this still a thing, why is this not being addressed? Why did you ever think this was a good idea to begin with?

I should be able to at least just pay to reset a single skill tree, instead of every single skill point all at once.

The answer is simple. The game was poorly designed.

QFT.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · June 2014

lindsie85b16_ESO wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Your choices have consequences. Oh no!

Sigh. Is is that hard to imagine where he's coming from?

Let's promote build diversity, but make you spend boatloads of money to change a couple of points. The list is so incredibly long as to why this is an unfortunate choice by ZOS.

Ppl want to play the game, try out new stuff. Heck, sometimes they just want to see what it looks like. How else are they supposed to know. It's supposed to be fun.
There's no reason why they shouldnt allow you to change just morphs. Charge double, I dont care.

If you want to be witty and stuff go and make a thread about how these so called important choices you make in game barely have any consequences.

I am learning this game. I did not make a char I really liked in Skyrim till I had rolled 5 others. It took me a while to figure it out.

I have all 8 char slots up, although one is a mule. I have all the classes and I fight them as well as craft everything I use. I am learning about the game. I have two fighters I am really pleased with and as I do know what I'm doing I expect to chose my points well. I have actual goals for each one and I'll take the consequences if I get it wrong.

I get respec. I am trying not to use it and as my base is large I am at level 33 for my highest guy. Being a bit behind allows me to watch others and learn. I do read a lot about the game and understand a lot about it's mechanics.

If you want you can go on the PTS sever and try out builds. I have a couple there but I have not touched them in a week. Feeling my way forward with specific goals allows me to make good decisions. I won't say I agonize over every point but I do make the best decision I can.

Worstluck · June 2014

My respec costs are now around 25K gold. There are going to be some changes to my class coming up next week, and I will most likely have to respec. Not looking forward to that fee that is for sure.

Maverick827 · June 2014

The worst part is that this has not been addressed once.

No "this is working as intended."
No "we're looking into the price of respecs."
No "we have a change in place to reduce the price of respecs, but it won't be ready until the next patch."
No "suck it up, this is how we like it."

ZERO acknowledgment regarding an opinion one way or the other. How do you not have an opinion about a mechanic in a game you make? Either the designers like it this way or they don't. Let us know which.

jeradlub17_ESO · June 2014

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

ZOS, why is this still a thing, why is this not being addressed? Why did you ever think this was a good idea to begin with?

I should be able to at least just pay to reset a single skill tree, instead of every single skill point all at once.

I think it should be pretty obvious at this point that the decision makers for most design choices totally lack any common sense.

Artis · June 2014

Yes, ZOS, please change this. This approach was a mistake.

Sandmanninja · June 2014

WoW doesn't let you reset a single talent. There can be flow-on repercussions. I think the best fix is to lower the cost.

No Global Auction House. Makes it a bit harder to sell your stuff.
Which in turn makes it hard to (easily) make gold.
If the cost to respec is lowered, then that would be inline with the economy.

I can see NO BENEFIT to making it cost so much to respec.
It's a gold sink but why does it have to be a gold black hole?
If it were more affordable, people would be able to experiment more.
If it were more affordable, people would be less likely to seek out a gold farmer.

It does not affect ANY other player's gaming experience if you respec every day.
If making the programming change to allow more granularity to the respec ability is a bit tricky, just lower the cost.

Gold Sinks:
Mounts - you don't HAVE to have a mount but it's nice to have 17K gold
Bag Space - you don't HAVE to have a massive amount of bag space, but it's VERY nice (hmmm i dunno, a ba-zillion-jillion gold)
Skill Respecing - ALMOST a requirement, as you learn more things about your class and want to save some skill points from areas that you no long want to know. (Infinity minus 1 gold)

Gern_Verkheart · June 2014

I understand that it's a gold sink, and that we need those. But I think nearly the entire player base is in agreement that it's far too much of a sink, and that it's extremely excessive to require a person to reset every single one of their skill points, just to change the morph on a single skill.

This problem will only be exacerbated as the game progresses and new content is added. How you morph an ability can change your entire build and role in a group, new dungeons and bosses may require people to change their role. This happens with new content in every single MMO, but most provide an easier means for a player to change up their role.

gladen5rwb17_ESO · June 2014

I believe that skills should never be a part of the economy in the first place. I do not care which games have it, how many use this system or the history of it. If players are to truly enjoy their game it is with the skills they earn and worked for that we have the most fun with.

We level into new skills and as we accrue them they should then be ours to play with, to swap in and out, to change about, to test, to use. One day I hope developers of games will come to realize that fun should be the priority, not a chore, work, stress and topic of complaint.

Tendeep · June 2014

An official notice of this ridiculous "skill reset" would be nice. Let us do specific areas, rather than an all or nothing approach please!

Birfreben_Kinghelred · June 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

The worst part is that this has not been addressed once.

No "this is working as intended."
No "we're looking into the price of respecs."
No "we have a change in place to reduce the price of respecs, but it won't be ready until the next patch."
No "suck it up, this is how we like it."

ZERO acknowledgment regarding an opinion one way or the other. How do you not have an opinion about a mechanic in a game you make? Either the designers like it this way or they don't. Let us know which.

Because no1 cares about this insignificant problem, gold comes easy. Your respec costs are 100g for every skill point you have spent. Next time you respec, experiment with different morphs, dont spend every single skill point on passives and crafting and ***, only try the different morphs, it will only cost you a couple grand to try both morphs. you have 12 slots on your ability bar 12 x 2 for the morphs is 24 x100 = 2400 gold, thats not unreasonable for any vr player. Dont lock in your passives/crafting points till you are sure of your morphs. You should've been trying these different spells and morph as you leveled up to 50 anyways.

It's best to always assume a feature included in a game is liked and intended by the designers, otherwise.. they wouldn't have spent the resources including it. Who knows, maybe the respec costs are left over from the "MMO game template" they downloaded off of bit torrent. Doubt it..

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

ZOS, why is this still a thing, why is this not being addressed? Why did you ever think this was a good idea to begin with?

I should be able to at least just pay to reset a single skill tree, instead of every single skill point all at once.

I think it should be pretty obvious at this point that the decision makers for most design choices totally lack any common sense.

I think its pretty obvious that the decision makers are choosing not to emulate every other game in this genre. If you like respeccing every other week for a tiny fraction of your gold, go play w/e trash mmo you came from. You dont have to play this, I dont understand why you feel like your forced to play this game. If you want those cookie cutter trash features, you can find them in any of the sea of garbage mmo's that were released in the past couple years. This is the elder scrolls online. I could not respec anything in oblivion, or skyrim. Be happy you even get to respec.

Gern_Verkheart · June 2014

bothnutz wrote: »

Because no1 cares about this insignificant problem, gold comes easy. Your respec costs are 100g for every skill point you have spent. Next time you respec, experiment with different morphs, dont spend every single skill point on passives and crafting and ***, only try the different morphs, it will only cost you a couple grand to try both morphs. you have 12 slots on your ability bar 12 x 2 for the morphs is 24 x100 = 2400 gold, thats not unreasonable for any vr player. Dont lock in your passives/crafting points till you are sure of your morphs. You should've been trying these different spells and morph as you leveled up to 50 anyways.

It's hardly insignificant. And gold does not come easy at vet-12 when you have no more quests to do.

bothnutz wrote: »

It's best to always assume a feature included in a game is liked and intended by the designers, otherwise.. they wouldn't have spent the resources including it. Who knows, maybe the respec costs are left over from the "MMO game template" they downloaded off of bit torrent. Doubt it..

It doesn't matter if a feature is liked or intended by the devs, all that matters is weather or not the customers like it, and most of us don't like the this feature. What I want to know, is why you are so adamant to keep the cost of respecing so high? Why do you care if people want to respec frequently for less cost? It doesn't effect you in any way.

bothnutz wrote: »

This is the elder scrolls online. I could not respec anything in oblivion, or skyrim. Be happy you even get to respec.

Yes you could, with console commands, and it was completely free. Also, why should we simply settle for a feature that is essentially broken? There is nothing wrong with asking for it to be better.

Ojustaboo · June 2014

I downloaded the PTS, not to try out and test content, but to try out and test different builds.

Create two V12 characters of your desired class and you have enough points between them to try out almost every skill.

Bahz · June 2014

Fix the respec system!

Sharee · June 2014

I was playing my level 8 templar alt yesterday. Made it to level 14

He started with 50 gold. Ended with 5800 gold.

I could afford a 22k respec after only ~4 days of play.

Kayira · June 2014

My problem is not even the money but the fact I often forget what I skilled. If I would respec now I would spend an hour where I spend my 200+ skill points. I agree having a single skill line reset or morph only would be great. I even pay double the money to just respec one skill line/morph per skill.

Syzmicke · June 2014

Sharee wrote: »

I was playing my level 8 templar alt yesterday. Made it to level 14

He started with 50 gold. Ended with 5800 gold.

I could afford a 22k respec after only ~4 days of play.

Wait until you get v12 with no quests to surport your income then come back and tell me how you can make 25K+ when mobs drop wait for it 5g per kill?

Unless you want to roll Alts over and over just to get Gold.

Singular · June 2014

Kayira wrote: »

My problem is not even the money but the fact I often forget what I skilled. If I would respec now I would spend an hour where I spend my 200+ skill points. I agree having a single skill line reset or morph only would be great. I even pay double the money to just respec one skill line/morph per skill.

hahaha! Totally. I can't imagine I'd remember all my morphs and skills and have been totally avoiding respeccing for this reason exactly. I'm just kind of sucking it up - but it would be nice to have some options in respeccing:

- just one skill
- all skills in one class line
- all skills in one weapon line
- all skills in one guild line

etc.

However, I think it should be expensive. If games don't have gold sinks, everyone has too much money and no reason to look forward to loot. Not that our loot is interesting or that we have specific items we want that we know where to get them...

Dayv · June 2014

The respec system was not so much badly designed as barely designed. 100g per skill point is clearly a figure they just plucked out of thin air.

Sharee · June 2014

Syzmicke wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I was playing my level 8 templar alt yesterday. Made it to level 14

He started with 50 gold. Ended with 5800 gold.

I could afford a 22k respec after only ~4 days of play.

Wait until you get v12 with no quests to surport your income then come back and tell me how you can make 25K+ when mobs drop wait for it 5g per kill?

Its not the 5g per kill i made the money from, it was selling all the items that dropped like candy.

Besides, if making the money would take you more than 4 days on your vet12, nothing is stopping you from making an alt and making the money the same way i did.

htoncic · June 2014

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with asking for it to be better.

I keep telling this to every fanboi that's defending every bad design decision about this game. Unfortunately, their thick skulls simply refuse to let it go through. Sigh.

Birfreben_Kinghelred · June 2014

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

bothnutz wrote: »

Because no1 cares about this insignificant problem, gold comes easy. Your respec costs are 100g for every skill point you have spent. Next time you respec, experiment with different morphs, dont spend every single skill point on passives and crafting and ***, only try the different morphs, it will only cost you a couple grand to try both morphs. you have 12 slots on your ability bar 12 x 2 for the morphs is 24 x100 = 2400 gold, thats not unreasonable for any vr player. Dont lock in your passives/crafting points till you are sure of your morphs. You should've been trying these different spells and morph as you leveled up to 50 anyways.

It's hardly insignificant. And gold does not come easy at vet-12 when you have no more quests to do.

Ah vet 12, the best time to learn to play your class!

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

bothnutz wrote: »

It's best to always assume a feature included in a game is liked and intended by the designers, otherwise.. they wouldn't have spent the resources including it. Who knows, maybe the respec costs are left over from the "MMO game template" they downloaded off of bit torrent. Doubt it..

It doesn't matter if a feature is liked or intended by the devs, all that matters is weather or not the customers like it, and most of us don't like the this feature. What I want to know, is why you are so adamant to keep the cost of respecing so high? Why do you care if people want to respec frequently for less cost? It doesn't effect you in any way.

I don't mean to rain on your parade, but you are in for a hurricane of pain. The sun will not respec shrine on you this day. The winds of morph change will leave your skill points scattered and disoriented. Your build's vision will be obstructed by a blizzard of passives. Ask yourself, will you ever see clear sky's again? After the storm has passed, will you see a rainbow at the end of your ability bar?

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

bothnutz wrote: »

This is the elder scrolls online. I could not respec anything in oblivion, or skyrim. Be happy you even get to respec.

Yes you could, with console commands, and it was completely free. Also, why should we simply settle for a feature that is essentially broken? There is nothing wrong with asking for it to be better.

Or you could play the game. What is "broken"?

Edit:

htoncic wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with asking for it to be better.

I keep telling this to every fanboi that's defending every bad design decision about this game. Unfortunately, their thick skulls simply refuse to let it go through. Sigh.

I keep telling people that want to play "swtor ez respec free lootzgrab 20 ability slots and purple items wiht 100k stats for every1'z" Go play that, if you want to play that! It has been done! That game exists! There is a good chance you already have it installed!

You are right, there is nothing wrong with asking for something to be "better". The guild store, could be better. The inventory, could be better. These are all things that could be changed and improved. When it comes to changing a gold sink that balances the ingame economy...Your definition of better is not my definition of better. Your definition of better is my definition of worse. This game will be worse if it starts pandering to the players every need. This game will be worse if they start making it easy for everyone. I cannot stand MMO's, and the only reason I am enjoying this one is because it is more rpg than mmo. It also is targeted at a more mature audience than most MMO's. This is evident in the graphics, the VR difficulty, and the "steep" gold sinks. ESO is the game that I want to play. ESO is the game that I have been subbed to since release. I do not want to play swtor respec system, with WoW drops and LOTRO ability bars with eso graphics. I want to play ESO, do you?

Sharee wrote: »

Syzmicke wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

I was playing my level 8 templar alt yesterday. Made it to level 14

He started with 50 gold. Ended with 5800 gold.

I could afford a 22k respec after only ~4 days of play.

Wait until you get v12 with no quests to surport your income then come back and tell me how you can make 25K+ when mobs drop wait for it 5g per kill?

Its not the 5g per kill i made the money from, it was selling all the items that dropped like candy.

Besides, if making the money would take you more than 4 days on your vet12, nothing is stopping you from making an alt and making the money the same way i did.

Yep, people on these forums would rather feign ignorance than come up with a solid argument. Pretending to not be aware of 50 gold greens that drop off every other mob and the 150 gold "ornate" whites just invalidates any point he tried to make. Not to mention the quests argument, which is completely incorrect because there are repeatable quest givers in every town in cyrodiil.