Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Kajoh_Americano wrote: »

Limitless wrote: »

There are many abilities that are able to counter impulse.
Yes, Impulse is still a fantastic move especially when used together in a group but if you had an organized group you guys could throw down some Negate Magic bubbles, keep the heals up, drop an oil pot on the ground, or just impulse back. There are obviously more options than what I just listed but those came to mind the fastest.

Armitas wrote: »

Removed.

(Sorry, I am hesitating to release the counter)

It's no secret : the counter is negate magic, it's a sorc ultimate.

The problem is...a real, organized group will have immovable slotted somewhere on their bar and essentially be immune to any form of CC/silencing. Nothing wrong with it, that's what our alliance does.

Exactly, all I see is immovable/barrier/maneuver and impulse spam from a 20+ blob running over anything in their path, can't even be slowed down due to purges. Good work getting that many people with them skills, I'm jelly.

LFM AD rainbow train pst, must have pulsar and immovable. Bonus cookies if you can heal and spam purge or maneuver.

Well, there's a bit involved in running an effective bomb squad than that. You need your volcanic runes, your caltrops, your own negates and talons/banners, conduits, etc...

What I'm saying is that there is a world of difference between your run of the mill bomb group AND a proper bomb group, with all the correct tools available and the know-how of when to use them. The latter is mostly reliant on proper communication though.

Regardless of impulse, organised groups will always trump people kind of following the chat at the best of times. Impulse was already nerfed though if I remember correctly, and I'm pretty confident that even if impulse was removed from the game the bomb squads would still perform as effectively. It's not the only potent/spammable AOE available in the game,

All I'm saying is the issue is the game is too dependent on AOEs regardless of what players do, and you can't really blame anyone for making the best out of the best mechanics in the game

Really no reason to be investigating, Gina. The skill works fine, the OP is crying that multiple people are using it to mass spam it all over the place.

Perfectly valid tactic.

Rylana wrote: »

Really no reason to be investigating, Gina. The skill works fine, the OP is crying that multiple people are using it to mass spam it all over the place.

Perfectly valid tactic.

I think they meant the stacking health debuff from different element types.

Not sure though maybe they will clarify.

Lowbei wrote: »

"zerger problems" are usually solved by not zerging

Because you can obviously defend a keep or scroll with your group of 6 against all sizes of zerg.

This isn't a *** deathmatch, it's objective-based pvp. No one gives a flying *** about your amazing open field exploits. Go away.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Infraction wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Really no reason to be investigating, Gina. The skill works fine, the OP is crying that multiple people are using it to mass spam it all over the place.

Perfectly valid tactic.

I think they meant the stacking health debuff from different element types.

Not sure though maybe they will clarify.

Yes, that part. Sorry, should have been more clear about what exactly we were looking at.

Thank you. People seem to be misinterpreting our issue as having something to do with damage stacking, which it does not. The issue is with the health and immobility debuffs stacking (health in particular) from the various elemental versions of Pulsar.

Rylana wrote: »

Really no reason to be investigating, Gina. The skill works fine, the OP is crying that multiple people are using it to mass spam it all over the place.

Perfectly valid tactic.

The health debuffs stacking is not the skill "working fine" and this is not what the devs intended, as Gina's later post made clear.

So please go home if you don't want to participate in the rational discourse (to borrow another's term) we are trying to have about what is clearly an exploitable bug. The only reason you would be defending it (especially after Zenimax has acknowledged it is an issue they are looking into) is if you were using yourself.

I see from your comment history you also defended the DK Vamp Bat Swarm nonsense. Shocking. I guess after they fix this exploit all I'll need to spot the next one is keep tabs on your forum posts.

Lowbei wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Lowbei wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Lowbei wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Lowbei wrote: »

"zerger problems" are usually solved by not zerging

Because you can obviously defend a keep or scroll with your group of 6 against all sizes of zerg.

This isn't a *** deathmatch, it's objective-based pvp. No one gives a flying *** about your amazing open field exploits. Go away.

who cares about keeps? calm down lol

People who home on Wabba?? If I wanted to *** around and AP farm I'll go guest on BT or something.

i home on wabba and i dont care about keeps.

your extreme butthurt is affecting rational thought. why would ap farming be better on the lower pop server than the locked pop one?

I don't care about your not caring, or about who you think is butthurt.

I do care about my faction doing well and having the home keep/etc. buffs.

The AP farm on BT during the normal peak hours (evenings I guess) is actually incredibly easy and plentiful, you just have to know how and where.

However I find that somewhat boring and it also gives me nothing in terms of scoring or home campaign bonuses, so I only do it if I can't tolerate the lag on Wabba or the queue is 901298102981 long.

again, how would farming on a lower pop server be faster ap than the high pop server? who cares about campaign scoring and the small amount of gold you get for it?

its not rocket science. i farm zergs, and theres more zergs on wabba, thus theres more ap on wabba.

I care about scoring out of principle, OK? Just leave it at that.

The zergs on wabba have gotten supermassive and it's hard to find a solid farm and not risk getting hit by the rainbow train.

BT, on the other hand, has an endless supply of inexperienced (my guess) DC PuGs that will reliably come when called. I have gotten a solid 30k AP there in around 1-1.5hrs of farming just this past Wed, far more than the AP/hour I get on Wabba except that cave mountain scroll party we managed to pull off once.

Lowbei wrote: »

the bigger the zerg, the more ap they are worth. man up.

I'm not a man, but I know the limits of what my group can do.
And it doesn't involve trying to play chicken with a 30+ rainbow train.

But if you can make a vid of your leet 6 people group wiping something like that, I'll give you a cookie.

Isaiha wrote: »

Ebonheart Pact Groups are currently the ones utilizing this exploit in Wabbajack NA server.

The exploit is pretty much self explanatory: raid groups consisting of 20 or more players use Impulse (Destruction Staff Ability) and that's all they use. They spam it while running and can completely wipe a large group of forces in 1.5 - 2 seconds. No joke. They have pretty much utlized this exploit and taken almost every keep/castle/fort and have taken just about every scroll by using impulse. Everyone uses this ability and can wipe raids easily without breaking a sweat. Spam 1 button, win game.

This is a major exploit needing fixed ASAP.

So, one group employed strategy in PVP and defeated another group.

Interesting.

Mortosk wrote: »

Isaiha wrote: »

Ebonheart Pact Groups are currently the ones utilizing this exploit in Wabbajack NA server.

The exploit is pretty much self explanatory: raid groups consisting of 20 or more players use Impulse (Destruction Staff Ability) and that's all they use. They spam it while running and can completely wipe a large group of forces in 1.5 - 2 seconds. No joke. They have pretty much utlized this exploit and taken almost every keep/castle/fort and have taken just about every scroll by using impulse. Everyone uses this ability and can wipe raids easily without breaking a sweat. Spam 1 button, win game.

This is a major exploit needing fixed ASAP.

So, one group employed strategy in PVP and defeated another group.

Interesting.

Thanks for reading the entire thread.



Your insightful input is greatly appreciated.

sirjohndeluxeb16_ESO wrote: »

pbaoe (aoe around caster) abilities have always been an issue of dispute in mmo's bc it's the easiest way to place them exactly where you want them. frankly, i hate pbaoe like impulse or dragonknight standard, hated the smash ability in swtor already... hopefully any publisher/developer will eventually release an mmo which bases on singletarget dps, longer fights and a bit more of tactics and skill again.

Haha yeah, I remember the smash build from SWTOR. It generated much QQ on the Bioware forums, it was OP as hell though last time I played that game.

Dem smashes on the first set of doors during voidstar matches were the best good times hehe.

But yes, PBAOEs are always problematic in PvP across MMOs, especially if they are synchronized well. Sadly you can't nerf good timing/communication, but it's the whole mechanic that needs to looked at otherwise it will keep happening again in future games.

I would be more than happy to stick to my preferred single target type of builds, but they never seem as rewarding (performance wise) as AOE builds in the long run. I seriously doubt ESO can do much about it now considering how AOEing and large scale pvp synergize so well at the moment. Nerfing one AOE won't do the trick as there are plenty of other valid, spammable PBAOEs available to all classes.

How's that for butthurt? Thanks for the AP.

The EP Rainbow Train in Wabba knows what I'm talking about.

Isaiha wrote: »

Ebonheart Pact Groups are currently the ones utilizing this exploit in Wabbajack NA server.

The exploit is pretty much self explanatory: raid groups consisting of 20 or more players use Impulse (Destruction Staff Ability) and that's all they use. They spam it while running and can completely wipe a large group of forces in 1.5 - 2 seconds. No joke. They have pretty much utlized this exploit and taken almost every keep/castle/fort and have taken just about every scroll by using impulse. Everyone uses this ability and can wipe raids easily without breaking a sweat. Spam 1 button, win game.

This is a major exploit needing fixed ASAP.

That's not an exploit that is game mechanics. If you are getting blown up by this you all need to get some better skills. Plenty off cc options you have to counter that junk. If I were you, i would be ashamed to come on here and say I got beat by such a simple tactic. It is very easy to think of a few counters.