Why does a PvP zone have some much PvE content?

CaffeinatedMayhem · June 2014

No really, why does Cyrodiil have so much PvE content, like lore books and sky shards?

After waiting until VR to even venture into Cyrodiil, my only two treks have been less than impressive. I'm part of a (mostly) dead campaign, as long as no one is around I'm fine with having to ride for 10 minutes (literally) just to finish a simple fetch quest.

Yet, it's never deserted. Every time I try to do anything in Cyrodill, other players are around and I'm dead in 2 seconds. I don't care to PvP, and I'm not spec'd for it. Anyone have a clue why ZOS insists we all PvP if you want achievements? And now with changing how campaigns work, no campaign will ever be deserted.

Carnagan · June 2014

Because Cyrodiil is still a place where people live and isn't just a terrain where battles happen.

It's harder to get the PVE content in Cyrodiil done, but it is far from impossible. It takes patience and care, but it can be solo'ed. And if you're worried about getting ganked, get some people together and do it as a group for mutual protection.

Shaun98ca2 · June 2014

Cyrodiil has a lot of PVE content to get PVEers THERE. This adds to the "open world PVP" feel of the zone. A lot of people are asking for open world pvp. Cyrodiil is what they got without asking as the game is designed around it.

The more reasons people have to go to Cyrodiil the more fodder for the cannon.

CaffeinatedMayhem · June 2014

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

The more reasons people have to go to Cyrodiil the more fodder for the cannon.

I'd really prefer some sort of "neutral" flag, so that those of us who never ever want to PvP can be exempt. Maybe if you use the "exempt" flag you can't join a campaign, and/or lose something? I dunno. I'm really not into banking others, and so far haven't been able to sneak around other players. Mostly because my partner forgets to put his summon away...

talon_vib14_ESO · June 2014

Just shush it and actually earn your achievements and sky shards rather than ask for them to be risk free.

Gisgo · June 2014

Carnagan wrote: »

Because Cyrodiil is still a place where people live and isn't just a terrain where battles happen.

This.

An empty Cyrodiil wouldnt make sense anyway.

CaffeinatedMayhem · June 2014

I never said "empty" - if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, I'm just suggesting that there be a way to permanently opt out of PvP. Yes, there would have to be a "downside" to this, I'm not sure what ZOS would consider a proper trade. Obviously you don't want players being "neutral" just to get sky shards.

In case you also didn't realize there ARE enemies other than players in Cyrodiil. Even if they aren't properly leveled, that's fine. A VR1 taking on a group of VR5 trolls isn't exactly a cakewalk.

Posting in the PvE forums means I'm not here to be told to "shut up and PvP already." I'm talking about why are 3 areas worth of PvE content locked away behind the PvP barrier. PvP players aren't excluded from the rest of the game, unless you count not having any PvP in a PvE zone.

Gisgo · June 2014

Nothing is "locked", sorry. You dont want to enter, and thats fine, but its not locked.

CaffeinatedMayhem · June 2014

I disagree. Let's just leave it there before this thread is closed. I'd actually like to get an intelligent discussion going.

Gisgo · June 2014

Opens a thread, people disagrees, substly asks for the thread to get closed...

Laura · June 2014

silly post is silly

cyrodil is huge its a little more than a "zone"

CaffeinatedMayhem · June 2014

My point exactly. And given hat there are 3 different sets of sky shards and achievements for it, it IS 3 zones.

joanjett · June 2014

This is the first mmo i've played where people question why
there is so much content. And i just don't mean this post but others
that COMPLAIN about too much content.

Its just unreal

CaffeinatedMayhem · June 2014

I'm not complaining that there's too much content! I WANT CONTENT! I just won't like PvP and resent being told by ZOS that I have to PvP get a large portion of that content!

I'm not sure why people both posting when they don't READ first.

Ser Lobo · June 2014

There is a way to permanently opt out of PvP in ESO.

Don't enter Cyrodiil.

Shaun98ca2 · June 2014

thatlaurachick wrote: »

I never said "empty" - if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, I'm just suggesting that there be a way to permanently opt out of PvP. Yes, there would have to be a "downside" to this, I'm not sure what ZOS would consider a proper trade. Obviously you don't want players being "neutral" just to get sky shards.

In case you also didn't realize there ARE enemies other than players in Cyrodiil. Even if they aren't properly leveled, that's fine. A VR1 taking on a group of VR5 trolls isn't exactly a cakewalk.

Posting in the PvE forums means I'm not here to be told to "shut up and PvP already." I'm talking about why are 3 areas worth of PvE content locked away behind the PvP barrier. PvP players aren't excluded from the rest of the game, unless you count not having any PvP in a PvE zone.

While it is PVE content its really content meant to draw more people to Cyrodiil. Its supposed to provide reasons for people to get into the zone. While you may not enjoy PVP I can truly understand, it doesn't hurt to get out there and try anyways as there IS content for you. You just get together a group of people willing to do a Cyrodiil skyshard run or dungeons. Also don't forget that PVPing gives 50 skill points, 1 for each rank.

All it is, is incentive to try out something the devs put a LOT of work into. You never know you might actually find it fun. I myself usually hate pvp but THIS pvp just feels different with the massive battles going on and how easy it is to contribute to a "group".

Hiply · June 2014

thatlaurachick wrote: »

I'm not complaining that there's too much content! I WANT CONTENT! I just won't like PvP and resent being told by ZOS that I have to PvP get a large portion of that content!

I'm not sure why people both posting when they don't READ first.

Laura, I've read everything you've written here. Now, having said that; it's an AvA area. It's a conflict zone. Period. You are not prohibited from going there. You are not locked out in any way save by your own preference not to be subject to PvP in the only PvP-enabled area of the game.

Its major appeal to those of us who play there is precisely what turns you off; that it's an open-world AvA zone where risk is the price of entry.

I hear what you're asking for, clearly, and I disagree. Cyrodiil is a land being fought over by all three alliances, there are no neutrals in that conflict, and that's working as intended.

CaffeinatedMayhem · June 2014

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

While it is PVE content its really content meant to draw more people to Cyrodiil. Its supposed to provide reasons for people to get into the zone. While you may not enjoy PVP I can truly understand, it doesn't hurt to get out there and try anyways as there IS content for you. You just get together a group of people willing to do a Cyrodiil skyshard run or dungeons. Also don't forget that PVPing gives 50 skill points, 1 for each rank.

All it is, is incentive to try out something the devs put a LOT of work into. You never know you might actually find it fun. I myself usually hate pvp but THIS pvp just feels different with the massive battles going on and how easy it is to contribute to a "group".

First - thank you for taking the time to actually have a discussion.

It'a great that the devs put work into this, and I know the main focus of getting people to play this game was the PvP. However, we all know there is a large segment of players who are just here for the PvE, and I just want a vocal record that we're not happy about being "forced" to PvP for sky shards. I really need those extra 15 skill points right now. However, as you pointed out, if I even want to try for any of them I'll need a group, likely of 8-10, just to have a chance against the other groups of 8-12 (or more).

I have completed the siege tutorials, and it didn't spark my interest at all. And just running around killing other players isn't my thing either. Just being in a town with idiots spamming attacks all over the forge is enough annoyance, thanks. All I want to do is complete the quests. When I see another group we stealth and back away. Seems that means "Hey, it's 2 people and we have 8, GANK 'EM!" And according to ZOS, apparently I have to like this.

I wish there was some sort of method to be able to indicate - hi, we don't want to kill you or get in your way. We're just here for that group of trolls, kthnxbai.

TheBull · June 2014

because us PvPrs like it.

Cyrodiil is the way the game is meant to be played!

TheBull · June 2014

Seriously PvE guy stop being a wimp, it's a game. You don't die IRL or even take bruises when you die in Cyrodiil, it's ok.

Gisgo · June 2014

thatlaurachick wrote: »

However, we all know there is a large segment of players who are just here for the PvE, and I just want a vocal record that we're not happy about being "forced" to PvP for sky shards.

If you are forced to do anything, it is to stealth, not to pvp.

You keep saying content is "locked" and you are "forced" to do things but this simply is not true, no matter how many times you repeat it.

There are plenty of PVErs that got their skyshards by playing smart, you want a war zone to be turned into your personal instance, not fair.

reften · June 2014

I don't get this at all. It's not like the PvE content is part of the main quest, or required for you to progress in the game. It's just extra, adds to the fun. Get a group of 4, venture into more dangerous areas, hit some solo dungeons, ect, ect.

I just don't get some people...

CaffeinatedMayhem · June 2014

Gisgo wrote: »

There are plenty of PVErs that got their skyshards by playing smart, you want a war zone to be turned into your personal instance, not fair.

So what's your definition of "smart"? Give me the guide to getting through without being ganked constantly. I feel it's rather double standard-ish that people can gripe about being "forced" to play staff and dress, while I can't gripe about not wanting to PvP.

As for PvE having a barrier, I guess "kill everything in sight" types find it difficult to be in a PvE area - given the number of players who try to attack everything and everyone in towns, and those who run up to my toons in the wilds, point a crossbow at my face and pull the trigger repeatedly just can't deal with the face that I won't die?

Gisgo · June 2014

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Give me the guide to getting through without being ganked constantly.

Press CTRL.

You are welcome.

CaffeinatedMayhem · June 2014

Gisgo wrote: »

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Give me the guide to getting through without being ganked constantly.

Press CTRL.

You are welcome.

Oh you mean that works! Gee, I had been trying it alls ring this time! I WAS pressing CTRL!

Gisgo · June 2014

Press it harder then!!!

driosketch · June 2014

Carnagan wrote: »

Because Cyrodiil is still a place where people live and isn't just a terrain where battles happen.

It's harder to get the PVE content in Cyrodiil done, but it is far from impossible. It takes patience and care, but it can be solo'ed. And if you're worried about getting ganked, get some people together and do it as a group for mutual protection.

If I can bring another point to the discussion. It not just about completing the quest, but it's the story that goes to waste. How many players like to actually read and listen to what the NPCs have to say? ZOS put a lot of effort into the story, which I consider by far the best part of the game.

Here's an example: I was exploring for sky shards and lore books on a dead campaign, because basically no PvP was happening. I came across a dead body with a message that gave me a quest. It was a letter to his brother, who I found far south in Cropsford. The NPC rewarded me for letting me know what had become of his brother. Then I noticed he had like three dialogue trees of information. But as I was going through them I was attacked, knocking me out of the dialogue. (I killed this random player that tried to get the drop on me by the way.) So I never got to hear the rest of the guy's story. I just ended up running off and grabbing the sky shard in the town.

Even in a group, an opportunist can try and gank the team when they interact with an NPC. There's way too much dialogue for this kind of zone if you're interested in that kind of stuff. It's a shame not to be able to appreciate what they wrote for the Cyrodiil zone.

Hiply · June 2014

thatlaurachick wrote: »

Gisgo wrote: »

There are plenty of PVErs that got their skyshards by playing smart, you want a war zone to be turned into your personal instance, not fair.

So what's your definition of "smart"? Give me the guide to getting through without being ganked constantly. I feel it's rather double standard-ish that people can gripe about being "forced" to play staff and dress, while I can't gripe about not wanting to PvP.

As for PvE having a barrier, I guess "kill everything in sight" types find it difficult to be in a PvE area - given the number of players who try to attack everything and everyone in towns, and those who run up to my toons in the wilds, point a crossbow at my face and pull the trigger repeatedly just can't deal with the face that I won't die?

The last paragraph of this comment has nothing whatsoever to do with your issue...except to show that you have some biases toward people you think are PVPers and who likely are not. People in PvE zones clicking a crossbow in your face are not PvPers...the PvPers are out doing that in Cyrodiil. Perhaps you might want to tone down the rhetoric.

PvEing in Cyrodiil is going to have to be looked at, for you, like trying to get through level 50 areas at level 10. Lots of stealth, very slow going, and likely lots of deaths. It's do-able...but barely. You don't want to PvP, fine...don't call us PvPers then; call us Boss Mobs way over your level and play in our zone accordingly.

Shaun98ca2 · June 2014

Gisgo wrote: »

Press it harder then!!!

There are known hacks for Cyrodiil to find stealthed people. There is Magelight that ALSO reveals stealthed people and to top it off its easy to go camp know quest pick ups and turn ins as well as skyshards.

I understand @thatlaurachick's plee there is a lot of stuff locked away in Cyrodiil.

Personally I would be more upset about the 50 skill points locked away behind PVP rank plus the Skill Shards, but she also wants to see the quests and dungeons out there.

That's VERY understandable, but unfortunately its apart of the "lure" of Cyrodiil. Its doing its job VERY well she has reasons to go there but being a war torn land its also incredibly dangerous.

It wont change so the best anybody can currently do is give MUCH better suggestions than CTRL.

I can maybe recommend using a guild to help get out their with either a current guild or PVP centric guild and just let them know what it is your looking for. You might be surprised at how many people are willing to assist you in your goal as many others probably have the same goals.

Ser Lobo · June 2014

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Gisgo wrote: »

Press it harder then!!!

There are known hacks for Cyrodiil to find stealthed people. There is Magelight that ALSO reveals stealthed people and to top it off its easy to go camp know quest pick ups and turn ins as well as skyshards.

I understand @thatlaurachick's plee there is a lot of stuff locked away in Cyrodiil.

Personally I would be more upset about the 50 skill points locked away behind PVP rank plus the Skill Shards, but she also wants to see the quests and dungeons out there.

That's VERY understandable, but unfortunately its apart of the "lure" of Cyrodiil. Its doing its job VERY well she has reasons to go there but being a war torn land its also incredibly dangerous.

It wont change so the best anybody can currently do is give MUCH better suggestions than CTRL.

I can maybe recommend using a guild to help get out their with either a current guild or PVP centric guild and just let them know what it is your looking for. You might be surprised at how many people are willing to assist you in your goal as many others probably have the same goals.

Please, answer me this:

What is different from locking skillpoints, quests and achievements in dungeons and other PVE-only content?

Gisgo · June 2014

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Gisgo wrote: »

Press it harder then!!!

There are known hacks for Cyrodiil to find stealthed people. There is Magelight that ALSO reveals stealthed people and to top it off its easy to go camp know quest pick ups and turn ins as well as skyshards.

The OP can use magelight or detection potions himself. He is given all the tools he needs to get his skyshards in Cyrodiil, he just refuses to use said tools and expect Cyrodiil to be turned into a PVE zone.

There isnt really much to discuss or advice.