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Why... Oh WHY did I pay for a 6 month sub!!??!
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭I was using hyperbole to make a point (which obviously went over your head). The point is that any MMO that forces you to solo is bad .... real bad. What goes over my head is the discussion that must have taken place when they decided to implement that terrible feature.
"Don't you think it would be great to force people to solo many of the instanced quests?!?!
Sadly, nobody then slapped that idiot upside his head.Edited by GreySix on June 20, 2014 1:17AMCrotchety Old Man Guild
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vyrusb23✭✭✭✭✭I've played my month. I can't justify paying a monthly fee to play a single player game. I'd rather just continue playing skyrim for free.
There is no 4-man, 12-man and PvP in Skyrim. No grouping options. No world bosses scaled for mulitplayer, either. And no guilds. No trading between players. If you missed that all these multiplayer features are in the game, you must have done somthing wrong. Zenimax is looking into the phasing technology to make it easier to quest together. When this works better, the leveling content is more "scaled" towards duo+ play than f.i. a game like WoW. Which has been P2P for 10 years.
I was using hyperbole to make a point (which obviously went over your head). The point is that any MMO that forces you to solo is bad .... real bad. What goes over my head is the discussion that must have taken place when they decided to implement that terrible feature.
"Don't you think it would be great to force people to solo many of the instanced quests?!?!"
"Oh my god! That's like a next-generation-kind-of-idea!!!"
"Yea! Like, even if they're already in a team, they'll have to do it by themselves!"
"They won't be able to give help or receive help at all on these quests!!"
"That's a great idea for a Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game!!!"
No thanks. Once they fix this, I'll definitely give it a try again. But until they do, I'd rather play an MMO that doesn't force me to solo.
It was probably more along the lines of a discussion on how they could best give the player an experience where they (the player) felt like a hero, and that their individual choices were making an impact in the world.
In a lot of developer discussions (not just for this game, but industry in general) there's talk of how to use phasing to tell the individual story in an MMO, where it's easy to get lost in the mass of people, all on the same quest as you.
I do think they went a tad overboard with it being forced, but can see where they may have at least wanted to try it, or thought it fit best with their game/vision. SWTOR kind of did the same in the beginning, where people could join you on your story missions, but only if they were a different class. I don't know if it's still that way, and that doesn't make it a good decision.. but it is something heavily story driven.
I personally disapprove of forced soloing and forced grouping when talking about the main storyline of games. Don't mind either for side stuff.
The difference between ESO and SWTOR is that SWTOR is free to play. If ESO were free to play I would definitely still be playing it. However, I can't bring myself to pay a monthly fee to play a game that is fundamentally broken IMO. I would definitely pay for ESO if I wasn't forced into soloing or grouping for the main and side quests. Give me the option. I can't see the downside to giving players the option of solo or group play in the main storyline instances and many of the side quest instances.
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hk11✭✭✭✭Kyle_Roberts wrote: »
Well then, by all means enjoy playing "Space Bunnies and Hamsters" with the rest of the teenagers.
Out of all gamer demographics, who plays the most console games?0 -
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✭✭✭Kyle_Roberts wrote: »
Well then, by all means enjoy playing "Space Bunnies and Hamsters" with the rest of the teenagers.
Out of all gamer demographics, who plays the most console games?
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Singular✭✭✭✭I don't really get the comparisons in this thread to Wildstar. Different people like different stuff.. go figure. Their forums are nearly identical to what these forums were at launch. New MMO, same old complaints about bugs, bots, lack of features that whoever deems an MMO "should" have, and the whole "I'm quitting" gloom and doom mess. If you don't like the game, fine.. it's not for you. My boyfriend doesn't like it, he doesn't play. He also doesn't give me a bunch of crap because I find it fun. Just as I don't give him crap for enjoying Wildstar. Ultimately it isn't going to matter what reviews a game got, it just matters that you enjoy it while you play.
All that being said.. I don't know why you got a six month sub. I did that for one game only and highly regretted it. Learned my lesson and now I don't sub more than month to month, no matter how much I'm enjoying the game at the time.
Gross! You're bf likes Wildstar and you haven't dumped him yet?!?
Lol, naw. I love him too much for that. He hates ESO :x Could not get into questing at all. He likes Wildstar where he just kinda mindlessly goes through them, and they're mostly kill quests. He'd probably do well with a straight mob grind type game if I introduced him to one. He doesn't tend to seek out too many MMOs on his own.
Besides.. I get to troubleshoot bugs he's having by visiting their forums.. which does give me a little bit of snarky "I told you so" happy feelings when I see it's the same as any other MMO. Not cause I wish all MMO releases to have bots and bugs and all.. but because I understand that just kinda comes with the territory, and there were a few folks on these forums insisting Wildstar was the more polished game and their forums were so much better... even when I said they'd be the same.
Nice. So people over there are threatening to leave for here?
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wafcatb14_ESO✭✭✭lol I learned years ago to always not waste the cash on the special edition of the box game that is normally 40 bucks more for most of the time trival fluff items .
And never sign up on day one for more than a month to month sub , However I always give every new MMO i try out a good 2 months before i decide to re-sub or cancel .
This one atm is in the canclled List .
Too bad really the AVA is why i came and it has promise as it`s so much like DAOC . however the rest of the game is lacking . I can`t bring myself to be forced to grind PVE content just to be able to do AVA .2 -
Lalai✭✭✭✭I don't really get the comparisons in this thread to Wildstar. Different people like different stuff.. go figure. Their forums are nearly identical to what these forums were at launch. New MMO, same old complaints about bugs, bots, lack of features that whoever deems an MMO "should" have, and the whole "I'm quitting" gloom and doom mess. If you don't like the game, fine.. it's not for you. My boyfriend doesn't like it, he doesn't play. He also doesn't give me a bunch of crap because I find it fun. Just as I don't give him crap for enjoying Wildstar. Ultimately it isn't going to matter what reviews a game got, it just matters that you enjoy it while you play.
All that being said.. I don't know why you got a six month sub. I did that for one game only and highly regretted it. Learned my lesson and now I don't sub more than month to month, no matter how much I'm enjoying the game at the time.
Gross! You're bf likes Wildstar and you haven't dumped him yet?!?
Lol, naw. I love him too much for that. He hates ESO :x Could not get into questing at all. He likes Wildstar where he just kinda mindlessly goes through them, and they're mostly kill quests. He'd probably do well with a straight mob grind type game if I introduced him to one. He doesn't tend to seek out too many MMOs on his own.
Besides.. I get to troubleshoot bugs he's having by visiting their forums.. which does give me a little bit of snarky "I told you so" happy feelings when I see it's the same as any other MMO. Not cause I wish all MMO releases to have bots and bugs and all.. but because I understand that just kinda comes with the territory, and there were a few folks on these forums insisting Wildstar was the more polished game and their forums were so much better... even when I said they'd be the same.
Nice. So people over there are threatening to leave for here?
hahaha
Not necessarily for ESO, though a few quitting threads have said they're going back to ESO. There's a lot threatening to leave in general. Lots of threads about how the game is gonna die if xyz isn't fixed. Complaints about difficulty versus rewards, a few complaints about server population, speculation on how many people bought and are still subbed to the game. Talk of how Wildstar is going to lose to Archeage (at release) or the Repopulation.. basically whatever the new thing is that hasn't released yet. Same old, same old.
Edited because: I said ESO, and meant to say Wildstar. The forums are so similar even I get them mixed up. Doh!Edited by Lalai on June 20, 2014 2:06AMFisher extraordinaire!
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ers101284b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't really get the comparisons in this thread to Wildstar. Different people like different stuff.. go figure. Their forums are nearly identical to what these forums were at launch. New MMO, same old complaints about bugs, bots, lack of features that whoever deems an MMO "should" have, and the whole "I'm quitting" gloom and doom mess. If you don't like the game, fine.. it's not for you. My boyfriend doesn't like it, he doesn't play. He also doesn't give me a bunch of crap because I find it fun. Just as I don't give him crap for enjoying Wildstar. Ultimately it isn't going to matter what reviews a game got, it just matters that you enjoy it while you play.
All that being said.. I don't know why you got a six month sub. I did that for one game only and highly regretted it. Learned my lesson and now I don't sub more than month to month, no matter how much I'm enjoying the game at the time.
Gross! You're bf likes Wildstar and you haven't dumped him yet?!?
Lol, naw. I love him too much for that. He hates ESO :x Could not get into questing at all. He likes Wildstar where he just kinda mindlessly goes through them, and they're mostly kill quests. He'd probably do well with a straight mob grind type game if I introduced him to one. He doesn't tend to seek out too many MMOs on his own.
Besides.. I get to troubleshoot bugs he's having by visiting their forums.. which does give me a little bit of snarky "I told you so" happy feelings when I see it's the same as any other MMO. Not cause I wish all MMO releases to have bots and bugs and all.. but because I understand that just kinda comes with the territory, and there were a few folks on these forums insisting Wildstar was the more polished game and their forums were so much better... even when I said they'd be the same.
Nice. So people over there are threatening to leave for here?
hahaha
Not necessarily for ESO, though a few quitting threads have said they're going back to ESO. There's a lot threatening to leave in general. Lots of threads about how the game is gonna die if xyz isn't fixed. Complaints about difficulty versus rewards, a few complaints about server population, speculation on how many people bought and are still subbed to the game. Talk of how ESO is going to lose to Archeage (at release) or the Repopulation.. basically whatever the new thing is that hasn't released yet. Same old, same old.
And how the devs don't care or communicate. Even though their moderators are more active than here.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I bought a 3 month sub to this game, and i regret it...lesson learned, I won't do it again.
I still have 48 days of game time left, but i canceled my re-curring billing because I don't want them charging me anymore because after whats left on my 3 months sub is done, im out. I just don't see anything here worth paying for beyond that...i shouldn't have bought 3 months to begin with, thats my fault, but im not buying anymore.
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✭✭✭✭✭What really rubs salt into the wound, is that WildStar is creaming ESO in the Metacritic rankings. I mean you've got a kiddie cartoon WoW knockoff, with pewpewpew, scoring an 86, and ESO has what... 71! *sigh*
This is a depressing testimony to the state of the modern gaming community. Maybe it is a generational gap thing, and all the kids the 20 and 30-somethings were pressured into having to justify their debt-slave lifestyles are growing up and are actually the ones demanding games like this, who knows.
All I know is that when a garbage cartoon graphics game like World of Robots Craft (WildStar) can out rank a game like ESO, there is definitely something seriously wrong here.
Even with its flaws, if people really aren't demanding this sort of visual and esthetic quality half-way through 2014, what will be the incentive to develop the next truly groundbreaking MMO adventure?
On an economic note, what will be the incentive to continue upgrading to each new $500-$1000 video card that comes out, which drives a HUGE chunk of the American tech economy?
"Yeah, let me just grab those twin Titan's in SLI so I can max out "Orcs in Space!"
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Compared to WS, ESO is a masterpiece in regard to graphics.Some folks like playing "Bunnies in Space" but I just couldn't see getting into a game with characters like this:
The suspension of disbelief would just be too difficult to pull off, and I've no interest in spending time in a universe of cartoonish space bunnies and hamsters.
Believe me, the graphics are the least of its problems, I think the clunky combat, terrible performance even on powerful systems and the horrid quests get the podium
The combat's a hell of a lot tighter than in ESO.
Don't care - still looks like some freakish hybrid of a bad Japanese anime flick and a Tom and Jerry cartoon, complete with cartoonish hamsters and bunnies.
Sorry, but just can't get into something like that. Perhaps were I a teenager...
Yeah cos ESO is real mature...
This apple is a masterpiece, that orange not so much.
Huh?
I'll make it easier for you to understand:
WS graphics = crap
ESO graphics = good
LoL I understood it the first time. Do you get it now?0 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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Compared to WS, ESO is a masterpiece in regard to graphics.Some folks like playing "Bunnies in Space" but I just couldn't see getting into a game with characters like this:
The suspension of disbelief would just be too difficult to pull off, and I've no interest in spending time in a universe of cartoonish space bunnies and hamsters.
Believe me, the graphics are the least of its problems, I think the clunky combat, terrible performance even on powerful systems and the horrid quests get the podium
The combat's a hell of a lot tighter than in ESO.
Don't care - still looks like some freakish hybrid of a bad Japanese anime flick and a Tom and Jerry cartoon, complete with cartoonish hamsters and bunnies.
Sorry, but just can't get into something like that. Perhaps were I a teenager...
Yeah cos ESO is real mature...
This apple is a masterpiece, that orange not so much.
Huh?
I'll make it easier for you to understand:
WS graphics = crap
ESO graphics = good
LoL I understood it the first time. Do you get it now?
Get what?1 -
seaef✭✭✭✭✭Because I was under the foolish idea, that the game would be like TES games that came before it... but with multiplayer.
Yup, you're absolutely right. That was a foolish idea.
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Cogo✭✭✭✭✭
✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »
And how the devs don't care or communicate. Even though their moderators are more active than here.
Removed my post since I misunderstood the whole thing. I need an int buff....Edited by Cogo on June 20, 2014 4:37AMOghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »
And how the devs don't care or communicate. Even though their moderators are more active than here.
You have not been to the Wildstar forums have you?
There is a tiny little angry thread (one of the biggest, and that one I understand)
about Wildstar players are FURIOUS about WHY Wildstar posts NEWS about Wildstar on other sites then their own.
Try to blame Zenimax for that.
I really dont think most here understand how well we are getting info.
You keep saying devs dont communicate. Thats correct. Devs do not communicate. Forum moderators and Zenimax Communication managers does that. In all games, btw.
At least TRY to get your info correct?
Ok let me try this again. People over there complain that devs don't communicate. People over here say devs don't communicate. The devs aren't supposed to communicate the forum moderators are. I have seen their moderators communicate more on the forums and on the Facebook. But basically is the same thing. My info was correct, thank you.0 -
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It was probably more along the lines of a discussion on how they could best give the player an experience where they (the player) felt like a hero, and that their individual choices were making an impact in the world.
In a lot of developer discussions (not just for this game, but industry in general) there's talk of how to use phasing to tell the individual story in an MMO, where it's easy to get lost in the mass of people, all on the same quest as you.
I do think they went a tad overboard with it being forced, but can see where they may have at least wanted to try it, or thought it fit best with their game/vision. SWTOR kind of did the same in the beginning, where people could join you on your story missions, but only if they were a different class. I don't know if it's still that way, and that doesn't make it a good decision.. but it is something heavily story driven.
I personally disapprove of forced soloing and forced grouping when talking about the main storyline of games. Don't mind either for side stuff.
I'm for player choice, especially when it doesn't impact how other players want to experience the game. 2 players want to group for a main story quest, fine, what's the problem? I'm surprised it's even controversial.
I'm in general surprised at how ESO devs have artificially narrowed how players are able to enjoy the game via their bonehead reward system. One of the first polls on launch was for xp equalization caused after players realized that most of their xp derived from one source: quest completion.
The poll requested the obvious: allow players to do what they liked with the content (dungeons, pvp, questing, grouping for the quests, and so on) by allowing them to progress similarly doing so. You like questing, go quest, pvp, go pvp, dungeons, go dungeoning, and so on - you know, what EVERY other premium MMO out there already does. Freedom to play your character how you like - kind of a supposed hallmark for ES titles.
Have not heard a peep from ZoS on this topic.
Character progression flexibility will win you a diverse, stable playerbase from which to develop your game. Am I missing something?Edited by drogon1 on June 20, 2014 4:16AM1 -
Cogo✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am just tired of people making things up, like Zenimax is not communicating with us. They are on a daily bases!
And the people claiming Zeni are so bad in communication, saying Wildstar is so good at.
I don't think I have seen a single NEWS update, that was not posted on ESO forums first. And I am one of the dorks who lives here....
https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/78977-suggestion-stop-announcing-stuff-on-twitterreddit-before-the-official-website/
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capemayorSoul ShrivenI'm pretty much burned out over the mind-numbing grind at later levels and I have no desire to go on... but I've got 140+ days left on my account.
Damn it! How did I let another mediocre MMO burn me again. I thought ESO was "The One".
What really rubs salt into the wound, is that WildStar is creaming ESO in the Metacritic rankings. I mean you've got a kiddie cartoon WoW knockoff, with pewpewpew, scoring an 86, and ESO has what... 71! *sigh*
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Nakaurib16_ESOSoul ShrivenI bought ESO for myself and someone else, then picked up two 60 day time cards for both of us, for about a total around $200. Half of the time cards have gone to waste so far, and I'm sure the second half will be similar, but I bought ESO because when I played the beta it drew me in.
It's hard for a game to draw me in like that. I had a lot of fun exploring, crafting and leveling. After release, 1-50 was a blast. Even up to VR6 was enjoyable, and I'd like to finish off leveling all my stuff at some point. Light armor will be a pain though, I've never liked casters (I realize most people are playing light armor currently due to it being "better"... such is my life
).
No regrets handing over $200. I hope it goes to good use and the game gets ironed out. A lot of people have false expectations for MMOs because of Warcraft -- it's a ten year old game that has had CONSTANT fixing, rebalancing and tweaking the ENTIRE ten years. No game is going to be like that on release. For example, lots of folks didn't like Neverwinter when it came out: but now that it's had a while to grow up, I think it's a very well done experience. I hope to see ESO get the same treatment. Maybe as a subscription, but maybe not, that's not for me to decide ... So long as its development is treated with respect and not underfunded.
The gaming industry is a slave house as is. My only expectation is that it gets better. It doesn't have to be right now. That's what Blizzard was famous for in the first place: they did it right, it took them a long time, and everyone who worked on their games was passionate about it. It wasn't a crank line. Hoping the gaming industry reverts to that ideology.
About Wildstar... I didn't enjoy the beta, it didn't draw me in, so I didn't buy it. Too many people buy games out of peer pressure or to play with friends. I guess that's their choice, but I'd never do that for a game if the game itself didn't actually even interest me.1 -
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✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »
Ok let me try this again. People over there complain that devs don't communicate. People over here say devs don't communicate. The devs aren't supposed to communicate the forum moderators are. I have seen their moderators communicate more on the forums and on the Facebook. But basically is the same thing. My info was correct, thank you.
Ok, lets say you are correct. What the fek, has any other game to do with ESO?
I dont care if New-Hot-MMO-game-nr-1 offers free cars for anyone who signs up.
I am, wierdly enough only interested in ESO.Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »
Ok let me try this again. People over there complain that devs don't communicate. People over here say devs don't communicate. The devs aren't supposed to communicate the forum moderators are. I have seen their moderators communicate more on the forums and on the Facebook. But basically is the same thing. My info was correct, thank you.
Ok, lets say you are correct. What the fek, has any other game to do with ESO?
I dont care if New-Hot-MMO-game-nr-1 offers free cars for anyone who signs up.
I am, wierdly enough only interested in ESO.
I was just commenting on the fact that all the ESO haters who complained about bots, RMT, boring content, crappy dev team an where saying WS is better I'd now over there saying the same thing about WS. We where just discussing about how it's funny that people thought WS was going to not have problems at launch.Edited by ers101284b14_ESO on June 20, 2014 3:12AM0 -
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Sadly, no you didn't. But feel free to believe what you like.
Compared to WS, ESO is a masterpiece in regard to graphics.Some folks like playing "Bunnies in Space" but I just couldn't see getting into a game with characters like this:
The suspension of disbelief would just be too difficult to pull off, and I've no interest in spending time in a universe of cartoonish space bunnies and hamsters.
Believe me, the graphics are the least of its problems, I think the clunky combat, terrible performance even on powerful systems and the horrid quests get the podium
The combat's a hell of a lot tighter than in ESO.
Don't care - still looks like some freakish hybrid of a bad Japanese anime flick and a Tom and Jerry cartoon, complete with cartoonish hamsters and bunnies.
Sorry, but just can't get into something like that. Perhaps were I a teenager...
Yeah cos ESO is real mature...
This apple is a masterpiece, that orange not so much.
Huh?
I'll make it easier for you to understand:
WS graphics = crap
ESO graphics = good
LoL I understood it the first time. Do you get it now?
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Cogo✭✭✭✭✭
✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »
Ok let me try this again. People over there complain that devs don't communicate. People over here say devs don't communicate. The devs aren't supposed to communicate the forum moderators are. I have seen their moderators communicate more on the forums and on the Facebook. But basically is the same thing. My info was correct, thank you.
Ok, lets say you are correct. What the fek, has any other game to do with ESO?
I dont care if New-Hot-MMO-game-nr-1 offers free cars for anyone who signs up.
I am, wierdly enough only interested in ESO.
I was just commenting on the fact that all the ESO haters who complained about bots, RMT, boring content, crappy dev team an where saying WS is better I'd now over there saying the same thing about WS. We where just discussing about how it's funny that people thought WS was going to not have problems at launch.
I should really sleep more then every 2 days (not kidding), because what you just said, I think exactly the same!
You have my deepest apologies for not being able to connect what I read, to the 3 braincells I have.Edited by Cogo on June 20, 2014 3:51AMOghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »
Ok let me try this again. People over there complain that devs don't communicate. People over here say devs don't communicate. The devs aren't supposed to communicate the forum moderators are. I have seen their moderators communicate more on the forums and on the Facebook. But basically is the same thing. My info was correct, thank you.
Ok, lets say you are correct. What the fek, has any other game to do with ESO?
I dont care if New-Hot-MMO-game-nr-1 offers free cars for anyone who signs up.
I am, wierdly enough only interested in ESO.
I was just commenting on the fact that all the ESO haters who complained about bots, RMT, boring content, crappy dev team an where saying WS is better I'd now over there saying the same thing about WS. We where just discussing about how it's funny that people thought WS was going to not have problems at launch.
I should really sleep more then every 2 days (not kidding), because what you just said, I think exactly the same!
You have my deepest apologies for not being able to connect what I read, to the 3 braincells I have.
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Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭Kyle_Roberts wrote: »Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Kyle_Roberts wrote: »
Got to V2, had around 26million gold (picture above is to kinda prove it)
Friend gave me Wildstar guest key, never looked back at ESO since.
Just thought id share.
And chance you would make a gold donation to humble eso player who still playing?
Doubt he can, he doesn't play because players that exploited the gbank dupe got banned
Yey another person to accuse me, did you also report me like the other 1000+ [snip] who think i duped too?...I didn't exploit the gbank dupe, but thanks for making yourself look Jelly.
Anyway your completely wrong as there are goldfarmers who made 100s of accounts and filled them with dupes, and are still selling them on now lol, you'll notice them ingame level 3's selling epic/legendary mats in bulk for around half price of what they sell for in Riften/Shadowfen (Ebonheart Pact EU)
http://www.tesoelite.com/forums/threads/all-types-of-raw-materials-ores-rough-wood-and-raw-clothing.3956/
Using that forum is how I made most of my gold ^^
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xanikk999✭✭✭NerfEverything wrote: »At least you'll be able to get your horse to level 50.
I really wish WildStar didn't have such [snip] childish graphics. The graphics are the best thing about ESO, since there really isn't much else to love about this game.
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Agreed. Graphics are basically the only reason I won't play Wildstar. Funny thing is thats never been an issue for me with other games. It's just wildstars graphics are just so so whacky that it's an issue for me. I'm sure I am not the only one who was dissuaded by the extremely comical graphics.
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Sadly, no you didn't. But feel free to believe what you like.
Compared to WS, ESO is a masterpiece in regard to graphics.Some folks like playing "Bunnies in Space" but I just couldn't see getting into a game with characters like this:
The suspension of disbelief would just be too difficult to pull off, and I've no interest in spending time in a universe of cartoonish space bunnies and hamsters.
Believe me, the graphics are the least of its problems, I think the clunky combat, terrible performance even on powerful systems and the horrid quests get the podium
The combat's a hell of a lot tighter than in ESO.
Don't care - still looks like some freakish hybrid of a bad Japanese anime flick and a Tom and Jerry cartoon, complete with cartoonish hamsters and bunnies.
Sorry, but just can't get into something like that. Perhaps were I a teenager...
Yeah cos ESO is real mature...
This apple is a masterpiece, that orange not so much.
Huh?
I'll make it easier for you to understand:
WS graphics = crap
ESO graphics = good
LoL I understood it the first time. Do you get it now?
You're right I didn't understand your utterly serious declamation that by god WS graphics in truth suck eggs in comparison to ESO graphics - which are a "masterpiece!"
Speaking of "masterpieces," I'm sure you with utter seriousness would also suggest something like the Les Demoiselles d’Avignon in truth completely sucks eggs in comparison to the Mona Lisa! I chuckle just writing it.
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✭Nakaurib16_ESO wrote: »I bought ESO for myself and someone else, then picked up two 60 day time cards for both of us, for about a total around $200. Half of the time cards have gone to waste so far, and I'm sure the second half will be similar, but I bought ESO because when I played the beta it drew me in.
It's hard for a game to draw me in like that. I had a lot of fun exploring, crafting and leveling. After release, 1-50 was a blast. Even up to VR6 was enjoyable, and I'd like to finish off leveling all my stuff at some point. Light armor will be a pain though, I've never liked casters (I realize most people are playing light armor currently due to it being "better"... such is my life ).
No regrets handing over $200. I hope it goes to good use and the game gets ironed out. A lot of people have false expectations for MMOs because of Warcraft -- it's a ten year old game that has had CONSTANT fixing, rebalancing and tweaking the ENTIRE ten years. No game is going to be like that on release. For example, lots of folks didn't like Neverwinter when it came out: but now that it's had a while to grow up, I think it's a very well done experience. I hope to see ESO get the same treatment. Maybe as a subscription, but maybe not, that's not for me to decide ... So long as its development is treated with respect and not underfunded.
The gaming industry is a slave house as is. My only expectation is that it gets better. It doesn't have to be right now. That's what Blizzard was famous for in the first place: they did it right, it took them a long time, and everyone who worked on their games was passionate about it. It wasn't a crank line. Hoping the gaming industry reverts to that ideology.
About Wildstar... I didn't enjoy the beta, it didn't draw me in, so I didn't buy it. Too many people buy games out of peer pressure or to play with friends. I guess that's their choice, but I'd never do that for a game if the game itself didn't actually even interest me.
Wow sir! You explained the MMO "problem" very well. Its not the games that are the problem. It is the players expectations about them. I am not sure I want to blame Blizzard for it either, because when you do buy a product, whatever it may be. Do you listen to the commercial on the radio about it, or read on the back of the product, what it is you are buying?
April was horrible for ESO. Not because of the game. Because of all the people who was thinking they where playing something different! They are as you all know....gone! Phew!
I jump around to different newbie areas lvl 10-30, just to listen to zone chat, give some advices and hand out small stuff to players with cool names. Im a sucker for really good imagination or roleplaying names.
The zone chatter in our lower level zones are not full of alts. Its quite a few new players. And when asking, several have said this is their first MMO.....
These are the new ESO players.....
World of warcraft and MMO
Even if I HATE the way Blizzard moved their game, they really understood their market and still is the biggest MMO with 5 million active accounts.
Their client base have changed a bit, but they are tapping into a new player, who has not played MMOs before. I call them the facebook generation. You know, the kind who have facebook as their homepage, reads and do everything on their phone or Blehpad. And got little patience for anything but a perfectly working game, just like their apps on the phone works by clicking a button.
(Not joking here......)
I know this, because every day, for a year, until the DAY of ESO 5 days early access, I was raiding in WoW with a group of friends. Heroic raiding still had some challenge in it, but WoW as a game and the people in it....made me ware out a table for beating my head into it to much.
Blizzard have made WoW into the MMO where absolutely no effort can be involved. Everything has to be easy, fast, available to ALL, and always drop "epics", which totally lost its value long ago.
Getting into groups or raiding is a deathsin if it takes more then a few mins.
And even if some players here dont believe this, WoWs next expansion includes so many features their target market is drooling for, like, smart drops from bosses. Only drops gear that you need and do not currently have. And you dont have to carry around an extra set of gear for your second set.....The gear you have for you Agility spec, will automaticly change stats to your other spec. Great eh!
And one of the biggest worry you read about WoW expansion is: Will the lowering of stats make "old" content not soloble?
WoW offers an MMO for a player type who wants everything right away, and dying is not even an option. If they die, the encounter is broken.
This does not mean Blizzard have messed up anything. They just where smart enough business wise to offer a type of MMO, which would attract the biggest crowd. Lets see how long term player that crowd is though.
Its good that several new types of MMOs comes up with their own type/direction.
ESO have done this. Wildstar have also done this. But the problem is still not in either of these games. Its in, as you say, the expectation of the player.Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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It was probably more along the lines of a discussion on how they could best give the player an experience where they (the player) felt like a hero, and that their individual choices were making an impact in the world.
In a lot of developer discussions (not just for this game, but industry in general) there's talk of how to use phasing to tell the individual story in an MMO, where it's easy to get lost in the mass of people, all on the same quest as you.
I do think they went a tad overboard with it being forced, but can see where they may have at least wanted to try it, or thought it fit best with their game/vision. SWTOR kind of did the same in the beginning, where people could join you on your story missions, but only if they were a different class. I don't know if it's still that way, and that doesn't make it a good decision.. but it is something heavily story driven.
I personally disapprove of forced soloing and forced grouping when talking about the main storyline of games. Don't mind either for side stuff.
I'm for player choice, especially when it doesn't impact how other players want to experience the game. 2 players want to group for a main story quest, fine, what's the problem? I'm surprised it's even controversial.
I'm in general surprised at how ESO devs have artificially narrowed how players are able to enjoy the game via their bonehead reward system. One of the first polls on launch was for xp equalization caused after players realized that most of their xp derived from one source: quest completion.
The poll requested the obvious: allow players to do what they liked with the content (dungeons, pvp, questing, grouping for the quests, and so on) by allowing them to progress similarly doing so. You like questing, go quest, pvp, go pvp, dungeons, go dungeoning, and so on - you know, what EVERY other premium MMO out there already does. Freedom to play your character how you like - kind of a supposed hallmark for ES titles.
Have not heard a peep from ZoS on this topic.
Character progression flexibility will win you a diverse, stable playerbase from which to develop your game. Am I missing something?
I would agree with you here. There are a few exp things I want to see boosted (like exp from dungeons in general, and PvP).. and then some things where I wished they provided different paths for different people. I love going through Veteran content, and being able to see all the content on one character. Lots of people don't.. and they shouldn't be made to only have Veteran content as their option.
In FFXIV:ARR I hated that group dungeons were a required portion of the storyline. You -had- to do them to unlock other areas to travel to, get your mount, and just advance in general. ..and it wasn't just one dungeon. It was three dungeons in a row.. and dps queues were essentially the same as they are in every game.. long. I feel the same way about forced solo content. It doesn't belong in a place that forces people to do it.
Now, where it gets kinda into a grey area is how a story person wants you to experience their game. Choices are good for the player, but may be bad for the designers vision.. and depending on how important that vision is, the designer may be willing to sacrifice some subscriptions (I know FFXIV:ARR has stated their goal is 600k subs, as an example.. they happen to have more, which is good.. but they also aren't majorly changing things to try and appease angry forum goers/keep subs.. they're sticking to their vision). SWTOR had a similar system at launch, and while it is F2P now, it certainly wasn't that way at launch (and wasn't until about 13 months after release). That could speak to how well the system was received, or it could just be coincidence. Most the rants about SWTOR I hear involve poor endgame, with little options for people to do much after the storyline ended.
So it's sorta a balance between what the company is willing to budge on, and what players want. How much does allowing other heroes into the instance destroy the sense of accomplishment for the average player, and how adamant is the company about making sure the story is experienced in a certain way in a heavily story based game? I am not sure it really fits with an TES game, but that's just me... and unfortunately I didn't design any part of the game.Fisher extraordinaire!
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