mutharex wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Some folks like playing "Bunnies in Space" but I just couldn't see getting into a game with characters like this:

The suspension of disbelief would just be too difficult to pull off, and I've no interest in spending time in a universe of cartoonish space bunnies and hamsters.

Believe me, the graphics are the least of its problems, I think the clunky combat, terrible performance even on powerful systems and the horrid quests get the podium

This is the crap that made me vomit about WoW. It wasn't even the terrible bgs , broken classes or elitest catering, it was the god awful nasty kiddie cartoon graphics. I actually punched a monitor when my buddy was playing wow at my house to show me a *** elf in this horrible pink tree land of darnassus mainly because he wouldnt log out so I could log in a better game. But Wildstar is appealing to it's target audience which is the under 16s, not us.

hk11 wrote: »

People dismissing WS based on the graphics are missing a great game. The game has a lot going for it in terms of features, group mechanics, and pvp. The graphics alone almost lead you to think the game is easy, which it is not at all. Past level 20, any regular mob will kick your ass if you ignore the mechanics.

Honestly, graphics are the only thing I like about WS, though the art direction in places isn't at the level of WoW.

Performance IS a problem for a lot of people, just check the forums.
Combat IS clunky, how can you make a (well, fake) action combat game where you have to keep the right button pressed to look around??
The whole game is bland with little to no interactivity outside from the gimmicky PATHs. It's not even well animated, really. It seems more a gPotato game than a AAA one. And why would I want a pile of half baked 'features' the industry is trying to get away from? Why would I want to play 2007 WoW in 2014??

You like it? Good for you, but in that case stop coming over here trying to start flames because the best you gonna obtain is people laughing at your efforts, especially considering WS isn't really doing that well right now

mutharex wrote: »

Well he bought Wildstar, if that's not enough to *** someone off..

I just bought Wildstar, just so that I may know what I am talking about.

Just to weigh in on the Wildstar/ESO debate: if you go to their forums you will see almost the same complaints that were here. Bots, questing is terrible, combat is clunky. I'm beginning to think there is a group of people who bounce from game to game just so they can complain about things on the forums.

dannymcgr81b14_ESO wrote: »

Just to weigh in on the Wildstar/ESO debate: if you go to their forums you will see almost the same complaints that were here. Bots, questing is terrible, combat is clunky. I'm beginning to think there is a group of people who bounce from game to game just so they can complain about things on the forums.

Or devs refuse to give up the 'release the game early and have players pay us to beta test this "released" game'.

Or people are looking for qualities in an MMO that seem to be missing from MMOs for no reason at all.

AinGeal wrote: »

dannymcgr81b14_ESO wrote: »

Just to weigh in on the Wildstar/ESO debate: if you go to their forums you will see almost the same complaints that were here. Bots, questing is terrible, combat is clunky. I'm beginning to think there is a group of people who bounce from game to game just so they can complain about things on the forums.

Or devs refuse to give up the 'release the game early and have players pay us to beta test this "released" game'.

Or people are looking for qualities in an MMO that seem to be missing from MMOs for no reason at all.

I seriously doubt that its the devs responsible for releasing games to early. Thats the higher ups and investors fault.

mutharex wrote: »

hk11 wrote: »

People dismissing WS based on the graphics are missing a great game. The game has a lot going for it in terms of features, group mechanics, and pvp. The graphics alone almost lead you to think the game is easy, which it is not at all. Past level 20, any regular mob will kick your ass if you ignore the mechanics.

Honestly, graphics are the only thing I like about WS, though the art direction in places isn't at the level of WoW.

Performance IS a problem for a lot of people, just check the forums.
Combat IS clunky, how can you make a (well, fake) action combat game where you have to keep the right button pressed to look around??
The whole game is bland with little to no interactivity outside from the gimmicky PATHs. It's not even well animated, really. It seems more a gPotato game than a AAA one. And why would I want a pile of half baked 'features' the industry is trying to get away from? Why would I want to play 2007 WoW in 2014??

You like it? Good for you, but in that case stop coming over here trying to start flames because the best you gonna obtain is people laughing at your efforts, especially considering WS isn't really doing that well right now

"You don't want my coffee? You prefer Early Grey tea? TEA? Damn you, stop flaming in my cafe - gtfo!" says the man with flames bursting from his eyeholes.

"But I like coffee too..." replies the visitor timidly.

The man is now a veritable steaming pile of indignation: "Gtfo! No flamers welcome here!"

"It's just tea...."

"OUT!"

drogon1 wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

hk11 wrote: »

People dismissing WS based on the graphics are missing a great game. The game has a lot going for it in terms of features, group mechanics, and pvp. The graphics alone almost lead you to think the game is easy, which it is not at all. Past level 20, any regular mob will kick your ass if you ignore the mechanics.

Honestly, graphics are the only thing I like about WS, though the art direction in places isn't at the level of WoW.

Performance IS a problem for a lot of people, just check the forums.
Combat IS clunky, how can you make a (well, fake) action combat game where you have to keep the right button pressed to look around??
The whole game is bland with little to no interactivity outside from the gimmicky PATHs. It's not even well animated, really. It seems more a gPotato game than a AAA one. And why would I want a pile of half baked 'features' the industry is trying to get away from? Why would I want to play 2007 WoW in 2014??

You like it? Good for you, but in that case stop coming over here trying to start flames because the best you gonna obtain is people laughing at your efforts, especially considering WS isn't really doing that well right now

"You don't want my coffee? You prefer Early Grey tea? TEA? Damn you, stop flaming in my cafe - gtfo!" says the man with flames bursting from his eyeholes.

"But I like coffee too..." replies the visitor timidly.

The man is now a veritable steaming pile of indignation: "Gtfo! No flamers welcome here!"

"It's just tea...."

"OUT!"

"Out of my coffee shop go to a friggin teahouse!"

Crumpy wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Some folks like playing "Bunnies in Space" but I just couldn't see getting into a game with characters like this:

The suspension of disbelief would just be too difficult to pull off, and I've no interest in spending time in a universe of cartoonish space bunnies and hamsters.

Believe me, the graphics are the least of its problems, I think the clunky combat, terrible performance even on powerful systems and the horrid quests get the podium

The combat's a hell of a lot tighter than in ESO.

It's too bad it looks like WoW and SWTOR had a child and then beat it with an ugly stick.

hk11 wrote: »

Past level 20, any regular mob will kick your ass if you ignore the mechanics.

Do they not HAVE cloth armour and destro/restro staffs? Jeez. Call that an MMO?

LurchUSA wrote: »

I'm pretty much burned out over the mind-numbing grind at later levels and I have no desire to go on... but I've got 140+ days left on my account.

Damn it! How did I let another mediocre MMO burn me again. I thought ESO was "The One".

What really rubs salt into the wound, is that WildStar is creaming ESO in the Metacritic rankings. I mean you've got a kiddie cartoon WoW knockoff, with pewpewpew, scoring an 86, and ESO has what... 71! *sigh*

Don't feel bad. I did the same thing. For some reason when I saw "Elder Scrolls MMO", my expectations just went through the roof and I went for the 6 mo sub straight away. I'm not concerned about the money, just really disappointed to see the Elder Scrolls name applied to something so incomplete and poorly conceived.

drogon1 wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Some folks like playing "Bunnies in Space" but I just couldn't see getting into a game with characters like this:

The suspension of disbelief would just be too difficult to pull off, and I've no interest in spending time in a universe of cartoonish space bunnies and hamsters.

Believe me, the graphics are the least of its problems, I think the clunky combat, terrible performance even on powerful systems and the horrid quests get the podium

LOL overstate much?

If you played WoW for any length of time, the graphics are basically a different style of same. WoW had many subs over many years, so many players will be fine with it (even if they prefer ESO aesthetics - like me).

I would hardly call Wildstar's combat clunky, esp in comparison to ESO. Both are actually refreshingly different and a lot of fun - to me at least.

Performance of Wildstar on my system - a mid range athlon system with a 770 - has been overall better than ESO. Game mechanics overall - grouping, inventory, chat, etc...- all seem more polished in Wildstar thus far.

Admittedly I am not a rabid fan of questing. Some I like, but after an hour or two, I click through dialogue and sprint for quest markers. I find ESO quests marginally better than Wildstar (and this even pre-level 20 in Wildstar).

Biggest difference between the games: ironically player choice. I have so many different viable options in Wildstar to advance my character; it plays like every other premium MMO other than ESO in this regard. This is because XP is relatively balanced in Wildstar, unlike in ESO where the devs have thrown 90% of the XP at quest completion.

That all depends on which issues you hit in which game. Some people are having major problems with Wildstar in the FPS area. Specifically AMD users. Many others are having a terrible time with latency, which does make combat feel very clunky.. even if the combat itself isn't exactly to blame. It's very possible for the person you quoted to be giving an honest experience and not be overstating at all, just as it's possible for someone else to say ESO performs the worst of any games they've ever played for them.

Personally, when I tried Wildstar in beta the whole environment I couldn't get into. Not just the graphics but the animations, the way NPCs talk to you, all of it. It strikes me as if Dean from Code Monkeys actually made his Bro game, for Bros. Where there's some good game design, but the writers were all frat boys who thought the "Do you even lift" fad was the best thing ever. I didn't like the questing, at all.. couldn't get into it. The crafting, cooking specifically, was tedious and annoying (although fun at first).. Dungeons took too long to complete.. so those were out for me, though from what I read the rewards aren't all that good, nor is the exp for the time spent in them. That doesn't mean it's a bad game, or that my opinions are the end all for the game. Some people may feel the dungeon rewards are fine.. both item and exp wise. Some people are going to prefer that questing style, or their sense of humor.

Beyond that, for launch, so far boyfriend has had to wait in super long queue times, log out because lag was making combat much too slow (things like damage not showing on monsters right away, or not being able to dodge things because a monster will suddenly catch up), delete characters because they were stuck on an infinite loading screen that wouldn't go away, even after several patches a few weeks in.. support is actually who recommended deleting them, and he is constantly logging out and in to fix interface errors. Plus he can't harvest anything for his tradeskills because there are teleporting bots. PvP is borked because the exp for it is so good that even if you lose the match you get more exp than you would running dungeons, so there are a bunch of bots there too. He also can't talk to friends cross faction at all, even if he adds them to his account. No mailing cross faction either.. so any friends that went to a different side he doesn't have contact with in game for right now... and they're missing some quality of life features.. like being able to right click on a name and get options to whisper, or block.

For my household if you compare that to my experience with ESO.. the worst I ever had was a tiny bit of lag (but nothing unplayable), and to relog a few times for some quests (maybe 3 times max). I didn't get hit by the bank bug (Wildstar has a bug where guild bank items are disappearing now too), didn't get hit by any of the show stopping main storyline bugs, saw relatively few bots, got relatively few gold spam messages, never had issues logging in outside of beta, and really a fairly smooth experience. The biggest roadblock I hit was recently when I got stuck somewhere and nothing worked to get out so I had to contact support, and they had it fixed in 20 minutes.. which I thought was pretty impressive because I sent the e-mail in at midnight (well midnight my time).

So in our household, ESO is the better performer (though I'm sure someone will come out and say they don't believe me, and that I couldn't possibly have hit that few bugs..nature of the forums when most are here to complain because their experience was opposite).. but we don't really care much. Each of us like the core of the game we're playing, so the bugs/lag/other stuff we know is gonna get fixed.. we count those as part of launches, realize that even if we get hit by stuff, the majority are still probably playing the game just fine and wait for things to be fixed. If it's an issue where we literally can't play, then depending on how long it is and whether we're reimbursed, we may cancel a sub.. cause it'd be kinda idiotic to continue to pay for something you can't play.

Edited to add: Oh, and we actually have all however many guest passes came with the game (Wildstar). All of our friends either bought it, or aren't at all interested. So if anyone actually wants one, send me a message.

Crumpy wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

Some folks like playing "Bunnies in Space" but I just couldn't see getting into a game with characters like this:

The suspension of disbelief would just be too difficult to pull off, and I've no interest in spending time in a universe of cartoonish space bunnies and hamsters.

Believe me, the graphics are the least of its problems, I think the clunky combat, terrible performance even on powerful systems and the horrid quests get the podium

The combat's a hell of a lot tighter than in ESO.

Don't care - still looks like some freakish hybrid of a bad Japanese anime flick and a Tom and Jerry cartoon, complete with cartoonish hamsters and bunnies.

Sorry, but just can't get into something like that. Perhaps were I a teenager...

NerfEverything wrote: »

dannymcgr81b14_ESO wrote: »

Just to weigh in on the Wildstar/ESO debate: if you go to their forums you will see almost the same complaints that were here. Bots, questing is terrible, combat is clunky. I'm beginning to think there is a group of people who bounce from game to game just so they can complain about things on the forums.

The group you are talking about is WoW players. They say they want something different but what they want is really the same thing. Easymode content, instant gratification, and shiny loot. A whole generation of gamers ruined by WoW are breaking the genre.

We weren't all ruined.

ebondeath wrote: »

NerfEverything wrote: »

dannymcgr81b14_ESO wrote: »

Just to weigh in on the Wildstar/ESO debate: if you go to their forums you will see almost the same complaints that were here. Bots, questing is terrible, combat is clunky. I'm beginning to think there is a group of people who bounce from game to game just so they can complain about things on the forums.

The group you are talking about is WoW players. They say they want something different but what they want is really the same thing. Easymode content, instant gratification, and shiny loot. A whole generation of gamers ruined by WoW are breaking the genre.

We weren't all ruined.

I know and I realize that I am over-generalizing. Some of my best gamer friends are from that generation and appreciate challenging games with meaningful accomplishments. Unfortunately they are a small minority of the generation that made WoW the most profitable MMO in history.

Please accept my apology.