Lowbei wrote: »

hahaha Merriam-Websters was the dictionary the definition comes from

"a place or situation for controversy"

owned lol

Let me take a guess: its an american dictionary.

Lowbei wrote: »

agramon was an arena, where 8mans went to 8v8 other groups.

camelot unchained will also have a similar arena.

you seem so contused lol

You clearly do not know what an arena actually is then. Agramon was a neutral zone. It more or less resembles what Outlaw's Den is in SWTOR.

An arena is something that is instanced, structured, and generally has a set of rules. Using GW1, WoW, SWTOR, or any other MMO with an arena, the objective is generally to kill the other team. You will only fight these participants and you will either win or lose.

Organizing 8v8 in a neutral zone is not an arena. You are merely just creating small-scale PvP with other players who agree. This already happens in Cyrodiil.

Camelot Unchained is 100% committed to RvR. Unlike ESO, the only thing CU wants to do well is RvR and making sure everything accommodates that experience.

For a person who claims to despise RvR/AvA for being for zerg baddies, you sure seem to gravitate to a lot of games that solely offer that experience. Perhaps you should try SWTOR or WoW? They are actually dedicated to arena PvP.

Lowbei wrote: »

"Secondly, any MMO that solely touts structured PvP is not a PvP MMO."

i laughed so hard

That's the truth, pure and simple. You don't have to like it, but structure PvP was created as a way for PvE MMOs to be more well-rounded.

I'd like to see how you would fair in a game like Darkfall Online, Pre-CU SWG, or Mortal Online where there was full loot PvP and everything you owned could be taken. It was PvP 100%, 24/7, whether you liked it or not and you either were up for the challenge or you unsubbed and went to a PvE game offering "competitive arenas."

Lowbei wrote: »

lol i find it hilarious that while faced with the dictionary definition of the word, that you want to claim it means otherwise

nope. agramon was an arena, but feel free to continue arguing with the dictionary hahaha

You are using a definition that relates to a real life arena, not a MMORPG arena. You do realize words can have different meanings based on the context? Arena PvP is a very specific and defined system in MMORPGs. WoW is the most obvious example of a game that has traditional arena PvP.

A neutral zone where players can organize 8v8s is not an arena. It's nothing more than a contested open world where anything can happen. For someone who has been playing MMORPGs as long as you have, it's rather disconcerting you don't even know what an actual arena is.

It bothers me even more now if there are others like yourself voting in favor of an arena when you have no idea what it actually is.

Lowbei wrote: »

whats more hilarious is that you think theres some "mmo definition" of arena that is whatever you think it should be lol

the actual word you are looking for is instance, and its sad that you hadnt thought of that. you are referring to instanced pvp such as a wow "arena" or a warhammer "scenario".

sorry that you got proven wrong by a dictionary lol, l2r?

arena = place of conflict

agramon was no an instanced zone, but it was an arena.

but please continue arguing with merriam-webster please

I'm not looking for any word. It should be rather obvious that arena PvP is instanced. The 3v3v3 demo at E3 for ESO was instanced. That is and will always be what arena PvP is. If the feature is not instanced or structured, you can rule out that it's an arena or a battleground. What you are likely looking at is world PvP. Welcome to MMOs.

nobody is forcing you to play arena. only the people who like arena will play it. so do you fear cyrodill will be empty? lol why? dont you think it is super fun?

Who cares what the dictionary says when we all know what "arena" means in this case (wow-style).

I agree that agramon could be considered an arena of sorts, since there (generally) only were 8v8 groups there who (generally) didn't add on eachothers fights. I spent several years there myself, so I know.

I also agree that there needs to be options for smallscale or group fights in ESO, I just hate the idea of instanced arenas. Do it in Cyrodiil or not at all.

I'm not sure why competative smallscale (well 1-8 ) happened naturally in daoc (even before agramon) but doesn't in ESO.

Imperator_Clydus wrote: »

Perhaps you should look into something that actually aligns with your ideals

Morticielle wrote: »

Let's do a count here: Two thirds don't want Arena PvP. Well, then it is decided. ZoS can save some time and put that time in actually debugging this game!

Oki, so lets pretend for a moment that those 300 votes is representative voice of ESO population.
So 1/3 ESO playerbase asking for improvements and new content to game they like to play and pay regular subs, and you saying them to quit and play something else? How short sighted, close minded and just silly you are with such statements... telling 1/3 playerbase to *** off and go somewhere else, hard to believe someone can be so ignorant.
And dont forget thousands of players who already quit and intending to come back when/if ESO pvp get better, they can *** off too, right? Just sad such primitive voices dare to speak about game future.

Edit: Just for Clydus and Morticielle


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Lowbei wrote: »

lol i find it hilarious that while faced with the dictionary definition of the word, that you want to claim it means otherwise

nope. agramon was an arena, but feel free to continue arguing with the dictionary hahaha

The Arena-PvP people are asking for and the poll is about is meant to be like arena in WoW (2vs2, 3vs3, 5vs5 in instanced small areas).

Agramon was no arena, it was a large area in which any number of players could play simultanously (and I saw there battles with more then 400 players).

You stated basing on 300 voice poll thats it decide ESO future and devs should not bother improving game to make it more attractive for more players.
300 ppl bothering to check this forum and vote aint representative at all for your information.

Also, for moderator removing innocent link to picture and noting it was spam

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So if you want edit my post at least bring correct justification.

I really, really want arena PvP. I adore small scale, evenly numbered PvP matches. It gets my blood pumping and winning those matches feels like a personal and small team achievement where you can visibly see the impact you had in the fight. I also like the quickness of the fights- sometimes I want to get with my best friend and bf (who also would love to see arenas in game! I could easily keep them here with that extra carrot) and do a couple battles instead of engage in a drawn out keep battle or travel for a while searching for enemies to kill.

I think arena PvP would definitely increase the appeal of the game and keep a lot of people here. Just seeing a glimpse of that 3v3v3 arena PvP excited me! Never done a 3-way arena before, that alone is new and interesting!

Gravord wrote: »

Imperator_Clydus wrote: »

Perhaps you should look into something that actually aligns with your ideals

Morticielle wrote: »

Let's do a count here: Two thirds don't want Arena PvP. Well, then it is decided. ZoS can save some time and put that time in actually debugging this game!

Oki, so lets pretend for a moment that those 300 votes is representative voice of ESO population.
So 1/3 ESO playerbase asking for improvements and new content to game they like to play and pay regular subs, and you saying them to quit and play something else? How short sighted, close minded and just silly you are with such statements... telling 1/3 playerbase to *** off and go somewhere else, hard to believe someone can be so ignorant.
And dont forget thousands of players who already quit and intending to come back when/if ESO pvp get better, they can *** off too, right? Just sad such primitive voices dare to speak about game future.

Edit: Just for Clydus and Morticielle


[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Spamming]

Obviously a forum poll does not represent everybody. Most of the player base doesn't even go to the forums. The point here is to start a discussion and to see who actually would want an arena. It's a rather controversial issue as we can see.

Do not twist and corrupt our meaning. This has absolutely nothing to do with not improving the game and adding new content. This has to do with not contradicting your game and adding features that do not make sense prematurely. Again, an arena could work, if it was implemented in a certain way.

Considering most arenas are set up like WoW, that kind of system would not work for ESO. I will not assume how many people have left or continue to play as we have never had numbers to gauge the actual player base side. Unlike Electronic Arts and Activision, ZeniMax Media Inc. is not a publicly traded company. They do not have to release financial reports to the public in order to continue operations.

Feel free to continue senselessly raging as you continue to miss the point of the discussion.

NordJitsu wrote: »

My guess is the only reason "No" is the more popular option here is because all the people who like competitive PvP games have already left ESO or never looked at it to begin with.

How about they add an Arena to draw those people back in, then we'll do a poll a month later and ask "Do you think Arena PvP was good for the game?" By that point this forum will have thousands of new posters who came back to this game.

So you assume that ESO is able to seduce Wow and WS players so that they leave the games that work for them to try out ESO?

No offence but this is really silly and doesn't hold any ground. If I play a game and I like that game, then I don't move to another just because it add´s something that I can already do in my game.

Fact is, ESO was never announced as an Esports title therefore nobody who is interested in Esports ever bothered with it. Adding Arena´s wont change that.