Starshadw wrote: »

Because the reason we have Magelight and Detect potions is precisely because EVERYone can stealth.

Actually I'd argue that Magelight is here so we can get the +10-17% crit chance since that's the better advantage over a measly 12m detection range.

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Animus0724 wrote: »

I have to disagree, as a NB player with a traditional glass cannon build, stealth is a necessity for our survival. Any NB player would disagree with you about stealth being OP.

-it only last 2.5 secs
-its easily broken and detectable if you know what you're doing.
-it consumes a good chunk of magicka
-Spamming it will kill your magicka leaving you with no magicka should you be caught and forced to fight.

Hate to say it but this sounds identical to what the sorcs were saying about BE a couple of weeks ago to no avail. Oh hellz yeah....I'm sciccors and I found paper while hiding from rock.

I have to disagree, as a Sorc player with a traditional glass cannon build, BE is a necessity for our survival. Any Sorc player would disagree with you about BE being OP.

- it only blinks you 20m and gap closers are 25m (can't remember exact ranges at the moment)
- it's easily countered by gap closers
- it consumes a good amount of magicka while stopping magicka regeneration
- Spamming it will kill your magicka leaving you with no magicka should you be caught and forced to fight

Why can't classes be different and direct counters to others? I don't want to play a game where everyone is the same and has ALL of the same abilities. STOP with the nerfing this/that herp derp threads. I mean come on people.

Whats stopping you still using it? If you actually used BE to get a little distance, then the nerf shouldnt effect you. If you are the many who just spammed it 5 times and then use dark exchange and then run back at us and nuke us and continue that rotation, then learn to play properly lol. Breaking NB's stealth is easy if you got pots/magelight/run in a general direction while we try to escape/use a aoe ability/use a ranged attack/let them go because you won the fight because they ran away.

While it might have been only 20m, the stun allows for 2 BEs to be used if the person isnt immune/blocking. Thats 40m easy. Good luck catching that.

Beedles wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Beedles wrote: »

I would like to see someone look at NB stealth. it very frustrating that they are the only class that can tag you with a huge stackable debuff from stealth, then attack you kill you in three 1-2 sec (I am vt12 geared ) and stealth again DURING COMBAT and run away, you have no way of seeing them unless they are RIGHT next to you less then 2-3 meters if that.
yes stealth should be useable but not during combat and there has to be SOME skill NOT potion that detects them that every class should have access too or give every class a stealth ability like this also.
almost every NB is a ganker now that I run into and if they cant kill you out right they just stealth and run you have no way of catching them.

Thats just crouching which everyone can do.

There is one, mages light, if I'm not mistaken.

As for their actual stealth...well, I don't know what to tell you because it's anytihng but over powered. It hardly even works right most the time. Take that into consideration and how much mana it costs per use and etc... you have a half decent move.

mage light does not detect them until they are 1-3 meters or less its supposed to but it does not I would take stealth as it is if they stopped being able to stealth in combat we ALL should have this skill if they can

Mage Light is 12 meters and it always detects me and makes me unable to sneak attack. most of the time i see the person with magelight and know to stay away and still uncovers me from a distance.

Beedles wrote: »

there are NO counters to it mage light does not work nor does the potion so please stop posting this YOU CAN NOT SEE A STEALTH NB unless they are right next to you period.

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Beedles wrote: »

I would like to see someone look at NB stealth. it very frustrating that they are the only class that can tag you with a huge stackable debuff from stealth, then attack you kill you in three 1-2 sec (I am vt12 geared ) and stealth again DURING COMBAT and run away, you have no way of seeing them unless they are RIGHT next to you less then 2-3 meters if that.
yes stealth should be useable but not during combat and there has to be SOME skill NOT potion that detects them that every class should have access too or give every class a stealth ability like this also.
almost every NB is a ganker now that I run into and if they cant kill you out right they just stealth and run you have no way of catching them.

2hand actually has the most damaging sneak attack and any class can use it and i see Dragon Knights mostly doing this. If any class kill their target fast they can go right back into sneak.

The ability that makes them go invisible has a high magika cost and only last 3 seconds. It cannot be spammed. What you are probably seeing most of the time is someone using an invisbility potion (3sec) which also has 40% movement speed (10sec). anyone can use this. (30sec cooldown) A NB could use these back to back and have a much longer invisbility period but they will still come out of it and cannot sneak if they were in combat and the target did not die. if you keep following them and lookinga round you we see them apear, they might be able to use the skill again but eventually they will be out of magika

Beedles wrote: »

joshisanonymous wrote: »

This has got to be a troll. Seriously. Otherwise it makes me sad for the world.

If anything, there are entirely too many counters for NB stealth. For those of us who actually built around probably our most important class mechanic, we're basically sitting ducks if we're not the ones getting the jump on you from stealth. Given that fact, facing Mage Light, stealth detection potions, and even just random AoEs, makes it very difficult to burst down anyone who knows what they're doing. I honestly feel like all that stuff should apply to sneak/crouch only, and not to the active ability stealth that NBs get. Maybe Piercing Mark should continue to absolutely cripple us, since that requires spotting us in the first place and some actual targetting, but the rest of it makes it way too easy to turn is into fodder.

there are NO counters to it mage light does not work nor does the potion so please stop posting this YOU CAN NOT SEE A STEALTH NB unless they are right next to you period.

Umm.... I don't know what game youre playing but it's not ESO

You may even be on the wrong game forum based on this

NB Caster + Good Gear + Potions = Nearly Perma-Stealth.

More and more NB's are discovering this now. It's nearly as good for running as pre-nerf Bolt Escape. It's also extremely powerful as a sustain tool. A clever NB caster can deny a foe any real chance to hit him, especially if there is any terrain in the area which can be used for Line of Sight.

Stamina NB's or anyone in medium/ heavy may find this unbelievable. That's an issue with their builds. 7/7 Light Armor, some cast-cost reduction gear and a willingness to down lots of pots turn these guys into nearly unkillable wraiths.

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Animus0724 wrote: »

I have to disagree, as a NB player with a traditional glass cannon build, stealth is a necessity for our survival. Any NB player would disagree with you about stealth being OP.

-it only last 2.5 secs
-its easily broken and detectable if you know what you're doing.
-it consumes a good chunk of magicka
-Spamming it will kill your magicka leaving you with no magicka should you be caught and forced to fight.

Hate to say it but this sounds identical to what the sorcs were saying about BE a couple of weeks ago to no avail. Oh hellz yeah....I'm sciccors and I found paper while hiding from rock.

I have to disagree, as a Sorc player with a traditional glass cannon build, BE is a necessity for our survival. Any Sorc player would disagree with you about BE being OP.

- it only blinks you 20m and gap closers are 25m (can't remember exact ranges at the moment)
- it's easily countered by gap closers
- it consumes a good amount of magicka while stopping magicka regeneration
- Spamming it will kill your magicka leaving you with no magicka should you be caught and forced to fight

Why can't classes be different and direct counters to others? I don't want to play a game where everyone is the same and has ALL of the same abilities. STOP with the nerfing this/that herp derp threads. I mean come on people.

BE actually needed a nerf especially with the stun it was doing on large groups. Sorcs were running into groups spamming BE all over the place and stunning essentially up to 10+ players. That combined with high AOE damage spells. Sorcs also use light armor with mana regen passives.

NBs don't do that, our stealth is our opener and our escape as it should be with any stealth oriented class. We can't stealth 20m away and break stun and stealth again. Our stealth is broken by our own heals and any enemy DoT laid on us.

Despite what you say it doesn't change the fact that BE spam was a thing and indeed was OP hence why it got nerfed. It's easier to bolt in one direction than it is to stealth up and try to evade your enemy who is still right in front of you.

Again NBs are already gimped to *** with other classes that can do everything we can do but better, and a buggy ass skill line. Nerf our stealth will definitely kill the nightblade class.

Beedles wrote: »

I would like to see someone look at NB stealth. it very frustrating that they are the only class that can tag you with a huge stackable debuff from stealth, then attack you kill you in three 1-2 sec (I am vt12 geared ) and stealth again DURING COMBAT and run away, you have no way of seeing them unless they are RIGHT next to you less then 2-3 meters if that.
yes stealth should be useable but not during combat and there has to be SOME skill NOT potion that detects them that every class should have access too or give every class a stealth ability like this also.
almost every NB is a ganker now that I run into and if they cant kill you out right they just stealth and run you have no way of catching them.

every class can get a damage bonus from a successful sneak attack. Nightblades have passives that can do additional damage from stealth with certain abilities as well. This is there purpose. Hell nightblades are the most broken class at the moment as most of our passives dont even work, and its well documented they dont work. Catch a nightblade before he gets the jump on you and you will probably win. Attacking from stealth is the blades bread and butter.

Beedles wrote: »

... there has to be SOME skill NOT potion that detects them that every class should have access too or give every class a stealth ability like this also.
...

Every class has stealth via crouching. Stealth via crouching gives special damage bonuses as well as a stun if the target is hit from behind; Nightblade invisibility gives neither of these bonuses.

Every class has access to Detection potions, even if you disdain using them. Detection potions work wonders and I use them constantly; it's the most frequently used PvP potion on my quickslot. They can be made to detect + heal mana and increase spell power or detect + heal stamina and increase weapon critical, making the potions viable to a variety of builds.

Every class has access to Magelight, even if it has mediocre stealth detection. Magelight directly counters invisibility as a Nightblade that uses invisibility in range of my magelight is completely visible to me (they appear as a black semi-translucent character for the duration); it also morphs to passively add an insane amount of spell crit or to reduce the damage bonus players receive on sneak attacks making the skill beneficial to have even when players are not stealthing around me.

AoEs hit Nightblades that are invisible.

I do think there should be a Detect Life skill in game, as it is a staple of the Elder Scrolls games though. I also think Detection potions should make stealthers glow pink as Detect Life does in the previous games.

Stealth/invisibility as it currently stands is already pretty underpowered though. I can't recall having ever lost a fight against a Nightblade that blows all their magicka on invisibility.

we nightblades are the weakest damage dealers and the easiest to be killed. our only escape from absolute DEATH is our invisibility! and you want that to be taken away from us? i think not!

The real problem here is the "Magic stacker" light armor NB this spec is currently (depending on your outlook) very strong or completely OP. I run a stam build Bow spec and its a lot of fun, but not even close to what the magic stackers can do dps wise. I can cast cloak 4 times if my magic is at full and 6 if I pop a pot with no points at all in magica. I would guess a full light armor magic stacking NB could likely use cloak 8-10 times. Being as I can usually get back into crouch stealth with the 4-6 cloaks I can get off im pretty shure some one who can cast cloak twice as much will have no problem getting hidden.
All that being said cloak is NOT the super get outa jail free card the OP seems to think it is. Detect hidden pots def work against it I use them all the time also piercing mark and its useless. Any light attack from staff wil instantly break it and ive had it just imeadeatly drop off more times than I can count.

i do not think the maker of this thread knows what over powered means.
over powered means you do too much damage. i said it earlier and ill say it again...
"we nightblades are the weakest damage dealers and the easiest to be killed. our only escape from absolute DEATH is our invisibility! and you want that to be taken away from us?"

Beedles wrote: »

I would like to see someone look at NB stealth. it very frustrating that they are the only class that can tag you with a huge stackable debuff from stealth, then attack you kill you in three 1-2 sec (I am vt12 geared ) and stealth again DURING COMBAT and run away, you have no way of seeing them unless they are RIGHT next to you less then 2-3 meters if that.
yes stealth should be useable but not during combat and there has to be SOME skill NOT potion that detects them that every class should have access too or give every class a stealth ability like this also.
almost every NB is a ganker now that I run into and if they cant kill you out right they just stealth and run you have no way of catching them.

noob

Xnemesis wrote: »

If a NB goes invisible just look for the nearest tree or rock...

No this is a lie, im not there