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melee build unviable? lol lcheck this and be dazed
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Lyall84✭✭✭✭I would not call a sorcerer (already considered one if not the most powerful class at the moment), running around with 4 magicka spells and 1 stamina ability, then suddenly stating that Melee builds are suddenly viable.
You do realize that he is a primary magicka build, and only using critical rush (because it is a ranged, automatic critical). While it is a "stamina" ability, it is for all purposes ranged. Lets see him try and use uppercut or reverse slash. Or maybe DW? Would not be as effective. Not without the shards (which knock down), or the bolt escape (which can if morphed, disorientates or absorb spells). OH do not forget the morphed mage light for 20% spell critical.
When most people here on the forums are complaining about melee damage, they are talking about a stamina build, not a magicka build with one melee ability on the bar.
As a night blade, in my best evening gown, I can put on a great sword or DW and claim that I am doing melee damage. But in reality, it is the ambush, concealed weapons and impale that is doing the business, or the Strife and cripple. Not the weapon in my hands.9 -
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✭I would not call a sorcerer (already considered one if not the most powerful class at the moment), running around with 4 magicka spells and 1 stamina ability, then suddenly stating that Melee builds are suddenly viable.
You do realize that he is a primary magicka build, and only using critical rush (because it is a ranged, automatic critical). While it is a "stamina" ability, it is for all purposes ranged. Lets see him try and use uppercut or reverse slash. Or maybe DW? Would not be as effective. Not without the shards (which knock down), or the bolt escape (which can if morphed, disorientates or absorb spells). OH do not forget the morphed mage light for 20% spell critical.
When most people here on the forums are complaining about melee damage, they are talking about a stamina build, not a magicka build with one melee ability on the bar.
As a night blade, in my best evening gown, I can put on a great sword or DW and claim that I am doing melee damage. But in reality, it is the ambush, concealed weapons and impale that is doing the business, or the Strife and cripple. Not the weapon in my hands.
because dw is not meant for this kind of play. it is impossible for zos to make every weapon skill line viable for everything. ppl need to start looking at these skills more objectively and think "what type of play are these skills most useful for? pvp or pve?".
and don't kid yourself, this is a melee build
Edited by tordr86b16_ESO on June 17, 2014 5:20AM3 -
Soothy✭✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »and don't kid yourself, this is a melee build
Your thread should be titled: one melee skill unviable? lol lcheck this and be dazed
As @Lyall84 pointed out, running around with 4 magicka spells and 1 stamina ability is not a Melee build. It looks like a pretty good sorc build though
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Mortuum✭✭✭✭Melee build, as stated above, will use most stamina skills, this guy is using ONE as gape closer, other then that he is casting sorc skills all time+using light/heavy attacks.
This way any caster build can be called melee, it is like a tank, or real melee build using 1 ranged attack and calling himself caster.2 -
Syntse✭✭✭✭✭So you found good way of getting views on your video.
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✭✭✭✭✭That looks freakin' fun as hell man. Well done!
EDIT: Also, one of my favorite Rage songs. /saluteEdited by Phinix1 on June 17, 2014 5:50AM0 -
Aeradon✭✭✭✭✭I would say it's very clever to couple the distance gained by BE and the damage bonus from distance by Rush.
But if you see his resource bar, it's meant for taking out solo players, wouldn't survive another player as shown in the video. Plus there's no self heal, it's a glass cannon in a game where tanks are made of glass.
Nice to see the build though (:People keep telling me they're gonna buy me an ale. They never do.
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✭I've checked the build and it should look something like this: http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mMzX9s8AIUM8wABe8wAEb8AIOD8A4hI8LxRn8injt8innG808AIUM8A4hI8jKEL8L7JcdoQr6MdoQF6MdoQC6MdoQK6MdoQJ8x7HMwGN16MwGAs6MwGAa6MwGAb6MwGAR6Lsfw6Lsfr8g7rrsXy6rsXx8H7DMNieT6MNieA6MNiey6MNieh6LbHm8J7rMNUIz8K7JLzuj6rzuu8O7srdeF6MA3FN6MA3FL6MA4Cb8P7ardYw6cLncn6zLyjz8Y7szjFYb6zjFYf6MjFYh6MjFYi6LfJN8zc7pzgeXm6cgePB6cgeXA6cgeYc8zf7zzNbo8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
you can vary 1 or two skills on both decks. crystal fregments, uppercut ext.1 -
Worstluck✭✭✭✭✭Why does everyone assume that you need to be using weapon skills to be melee? I play a Nightblade. Most of my skills are class skills that use Magicka, even when I am using daggers in pvp, not sure what that would make me lol.
Anyways, that playstyle looks fun. It's nice to see something besides just straight up Crystal Fragment spam.Worstluck - Breton Nightblade "Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own."
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✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »and don't kid yourself, this is a melee build
Your thread should be titled: one melee skill unviable? lol lcheck this and be dazed
As @Lyall84 pointed out, running around with 4 magicka spells and 1 stamina ability is not a Melee build. It looks like a pretty good sorc build though
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aco5712✭✭✭✭✭far from a melee build lolBanned for Naming and Shaming exploiters. Great ideology ZOS.
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tordr86b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I would say it's very clever to couple the distance gained by BE and the damage bonus from distance by Rush.
But if you see his resource bar, it's meant for taking out solo players, wouldn't survive another player as shown in the video. Plus there's no self heal, it's a glass cannon in a game where tanks are made of glass.
Nice to see the build though (:
Critical Surge heals 65% of damage done. There is plenty of self heals with this build. You could move 1 heal to the second deck (bow).
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Soothy✭✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »and don't kid yourself, this is a melee build
Your thread should be titled: one melee skill unviable? lol lcheck this and be dazed
As @Lyall84 pointed out, running around with 4 magicka spells and 1 stamina ability is not a Melee build. It looks like a pretty good sorc build though
2 to 3.
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✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »and don't kid yourself, this is a melee build
Your thread should be titled: one melee skill unviable? lol lcheck this and be dazed
As @Lyall84 pointed out, running around with 4 magicka spells and 1 stamina ability is not a Melee build. It looks like a pretty good sorc build though
2 to 3.
Two to three what?
stamina based abilities. the build also uses bow.
Edited by tordr86b16_ESO on June 17, 2014 6:02AM1 -
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✭✭Melee isnt the problem.
STAMINA builds arent viable.
I can make full magicka dk builds that use dw swords. Melee build.
Now replace half of them with stamina abilities and crumple before they do.0 -
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✭Why does everyone assume that you need to be using weapon skills to be melee? I play a Nightblade. Most of my skills are class skills that use Magicka, even when I am using daggers in pvp, not sure what that would make me lol.
Anyways, that playstyle looks fun. It's nice to see something besides just straight up Crystal Fragment spam.
yes it is, and if you look close you'll see that you can combine crystal fragment with melee skills - pretty clever proccing it with inner light, critical surge and streak.
Edited by tordr86b16_ESO on June 17, 2014 6:05AM1 -
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✭Melee isnt the problem.
STAMINA builds arent viable.
I can make full magicka dk builds that use dw swords. Melee build.
Now replace half of them with stamina abilities and crumple before they do.
dw is never going to be viable in pvp. it's mostly a pve skill line. the sooner you get this the better. just because you want to play as dw does not mean the game will allow you to excel at it in other aspects of the game (pvp).
Edited by tordr86b16_ESO on June 17, 2014 6:06AM2 -
tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »and don't kid yourself, this is a melee buildtordr86b16_ESO wrote: »no it inst lol
I'm pretty sure OP is trolling. No one with any kond of knowledge and common sense would call it a melee build. One bloody melee skill on the bar. And oh, yeah, the rotation Critical rush -> Light attack -> Light attack -> Bolt escape is a corner stone of all Stamina builds
Edited by pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO on June 17, 2014 6:08AM"Do you want the book or not? Then go whack some people with Wabbajack!!"1 -
Zolyok✭✭✭Boring ... only spamming critical rush, what is the point of having mage light if you only spamm rush ?
You only show fight when you ambush your target on 1v1 + opening advantage you already got 80% win chance.
Except ambushing lonesome player your build has no interest.And even for ambushing it's so monoskilled gameplay ...
Dazed ? Not at all, bored ... It remind me shield dash spammerEdited by Zolyok on June 17, 2014 6:23AM0 -
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✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Melee isnt the problem.
STAMINA builds arent viable.
I can make full magicka dk builds that use dw swords. Melee build.
Now replace half of them with stamina abilities and crumple before they do.
dw is never going to be viable in pvp. it's mostly a pve skill line. the sooner you get this the better. just because you want to play as dw does not mean the game will allow you to excel at it in other aspects of the game (pvp).
I never mentioned pvp or pve.
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✭Boring ... only spamming critical rush, what is the point of having mage light if you only spamm rush ?
You only show fight when you ambush your target on 1v1 + opening advantage you already got 80% win chance.
Except ambushing lonesome player your build has no interest.And even for ambushing it's so monoskilled gameplay ...
Dazed ? Not at all, bored ... It remind me shield dash spammer
Because you don't get it. Inner Light increases the chance of crystal frag to crit and reveals stealthed players. It also uses magicka which procs it. With critical surge you increase your melee damage and all crits you do heal you for 65% of the damage (also uses magicka and procs crystal frag). Streak uses magicka as well and... guess what? It procs Crystal Fragments... So you see, having apowerful insta cast nuke at hand that also stuns AND heals you if it crits, AND on top of that heals you for an extra 5% of damage done (dark magick passive).
also, it's not me playing in the vid.
Edited by tordr86b16_ESO on June 17, 2014 7:03AM0 -
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✭far from a melee build lol
I can't believe I have to spoon feed the definition of the word melee.
Melee (/ˈmeɪleɪ/ or /ˈmeleɪ/, French: mêlée [mɛle]; the French spelling is also quite frequent in English writing), generally refers to disorganized close combat involving a group of fighters. A melee ensues when groups become locked together in combat with no regard to group tactics or fighting as an organized unit; each participant fights as an individual.[1]
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✭pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO wrote: »tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »and don't kid yourself, this is a melee buildtordr86b16_ESO wrote: »no it inst lol
I'm pretty sure OP is trolling. No one with any kond of knowledge and common sense would call it a melee build. One bloody melee skill on the bar. And oh, yeah, the rotation Critical rush -> Light attack -> Light attack -> Bolt escape is a corner stone of all Stamina builds
you forgot to add sneaking, crystal fragments, executioner and uppercut to the list of things to do.
Edited by tordr86b16_ESO on June 17, 2014 7:11AM0 -
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✭thread sinking this early? wow mods, go sink the overly negative threads instead.Edited by tordr86b16_ESO on June 17, 2014 7:21AM0 -
ForTheRealm✭✭✭It seems more like a Battlemage build rathers then a melee as it mainly uses (Sorc) spells supported by a greatsword and heavy set-up.1
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hoboshockaSoul ShrivenReally nice melee build, this is pretty much the same build i am using for pvp, this is a melee build and its viable for pvp, you have a gap closer and a disengage, jumping all over the screen making enemies think you are there then bam right in their faces haha, this play style reminds me of warriors from WoW, jump away charge stun/knockdown bladestorm+execute! or jump away and defense/turtle up LoS and let healer heal you back to full, you all have to remember you can build your melee anyway you want, melee does not just mean pure stamina build or having just 1 stamina skill on the bar, you can have all magicka skills and still be melee, as long as the skills compliment your melee and works will with rotations and dps. kudos to you friend!0