Veteran zones are dead

xanikk999 · June 2014

Been trying to find help to do some dolmens in stormhaven for 45 minutes now.

So is the game too hard for casual players? If so why doesn't ZOS lower the difficulty so people arent so burnt out trying to level?

Why should the difficulty be in trash mobs anyway. Whats wrong with difficult content being in veteran dungeons or trials?

People say group up but I can't group up if theres nobody to group with.

Fairydragon3 · June 2014

everyone left for Craglorn, can get there at any VR level, they are grinding xp there becasue they still haven't nerfed some XP yields there. Yes it is very annoying I have to find a group for solo stuff else rsik banking my head at a challenge over and over until I need to repair/charge again. Nope not fun at all, i too would go to craglorn, but I'm just a crafter and I'm trying to get more SP's so I'm not a burden to others

danreckerpreub18_ESO · June 2014

As a V6, nearly V7 nightblade entering the third faction... Yes. I played all weekend, about 18 hours total. I counted the number of friendly players I came into visual range of.

16.

Sixteen people. The entire weekend. I wanted to actually do the questlines, rather then spam myself through Craglorn, then quit out of boredom. The skeevers that hit for 60% of my health are becoming tiresome. Why didnt the fighter's guild simply round up a few rats and spray Molag Bal down with cheese? With how hard things are hitting now, they certainly didn't need me - all they needed to do is gather a few random critters and find a portal to coldharbor.

I can play tag with NPCs all the way through V10 without too much of an issue, thanks to magnum shot and Siphoning resource gain, but the inability to get hit more then once (Literally) is getting a bit old.

xanikk999 · June 2014

danreckerpreub18_ESO wrote: »

As a V6, nearly V7 nightblade entering the third faction... Yes. I played all weekend, about 18 hours total. I counted the number of friendly players I came into visual range of.

16.

Sixteen people. The entire weekend. I wanted to actually do the questlines, rather then spam myself through Craglorn, then quit out of boredom. The skeevers that hit for 60% of my health are becoming tiresome. Why didnt the fighter's guild simply round up a few rats and spray Molag Bal down with cheese? With how hard things are hitting now, they certainly didn't need me - all they needed to do is gather a few random critters and find a portal to coldharbor.

I can play tag with NPCs all the way through V10 without too much of an issue, thanks to magnum shot and Siphoning resource gain, but the inability to get hit more then once (Literally) is getting a bit old.

If this is what's to come thats rather depressing.

I hope ZOS doesn't find veteran content acceptable in it's current state.

ArRashid · June 2014

If the whole concept of VR difficulty wasn't so absurd, people wouldn't run off to rather grind it in group in Craglorn or PvP..

Not to mention about half people who got to VR2-12 rerolled out of disgust. Low level zones are now full of players again.

While it's nice to have some fight harder, to feel some sense of accomplishment.. it's NOT a cool thing to do to ALL mobs.. you just move at 1/10 (or lower) speed than in 1-49 due to sheer amount of planning, dodging and damaging while trying to stay alive.. Instead of challenging, it's just boring.

Sihnfahl · June 2014

ArRashid wrote: »

If the whole concept of VR difficulty wasn't so absurd, people wouldn't run off to rather grind it in group in Craglorn or PvP.

Well, VR difficulty ... is a hard thing to quantify.

I went sword and board from V1 to V10 (mixing in 2H in V9 just to test) and aside from the time they fouled up the damage and health of mobs in Vet areas, the difficulty was ... pretty much what I had expected a 'vet' area to be like. Still managed to solo most content.

I think where things break down is that Vet areas are tuned to active and passive skills that actually work. It sure doesn't help when various skill lines aren't working properly, or at all. So rather than play with a broken class in an area that requires a more or less working class and spec, folks would go the route of Crag farming.

devincutlerb14_ESO · June 2014

xanikk999 wrote: »

Been trying to find help to do some dolmens in stormhaven for 45 minutes now.

So is the game too hard for casual players? If so why doesn't ZOS lower the difficulty so people arent so burnt out trying to level?

Why should the difficulty be in trash mobs anyway. Whats wrong with difficult content being in veteran dungeons or trials?

People say group up but I can't group up if theres nobody to group with.

What's the point of even having mobs if they are so easy you get to blunder right through them? If you cannot handle vet mobs at vet level then apparently Zenimax is not doing a good enough job training you how to fight difficult mobs at pre-veteran ranks. The solution is, of course, to bump up the difficulty of the pre-vet mobs!

Seriously though, if you relegate all difficulty to dungeons or trials, what does that turn the rest of the MMO into? A kiddie pool for people who want their phat lewt with little or no effort?

Moiskormoimi · June 2014

I think people know about how crummy vet levels are overall and that there's no incentive to do them, so they re-rolled. I was just on my level 6 AD toon and there were quite a few people running about. Albeit, not as many as the first month, but that's expected. I do think the tone of the community has taken a more singular approach, so you're seeing more and more people turn off chat completely, as there isn't a whole lot of purpose that serves.

AelyinESO · June 2014

I know your frustration, but we have like Nx numbers of threads about it.

sigsergv · June 2014

devincutlerb14_ESO wrote: »

Seriously though, if you relegate all difficulty to dungeons or trials, what does that turn the rest of the MMO into? A kiddie pool for people who want their phat lewt with little or no effort?

Enjoy your Empty Scrolls Online.

Worstluck · June 2014

Started a new character and there are definitely people running around. Many of them are fully geared, so I can tell they are someone's alt. I am having fun running around at level 12 with my night mother swords and 5 piece hundings rage

crislevin · June 2014

danreckerpreub18_ESO wrote: »

Why didnt the fighter's guild simply round up a few rats and spray Molag Bal down with cheese? With how hard things are hitting now, they certainly didn't need me - all they needed to do is gather a few random critters and find a portal to coldharbor.

lol, sometimes thats what i felt too.

peter.harkessnrb18_ESO · June 2014

devincutlerb14_ESO wrote: »

Seriously though, if you relegate all difficulty to dungeons or trials, what does that turn the rest of the MMO into? A kiddie pool for people who want their phat lewt with little or no effort?

Well at least it would be a pool with kiddies playing in it rather than a pool of stagnant water covered in leaves with tumbleweeds rolling past it.

danreckerpreub18_ESO · June 2014

peter.harkessnrb18_ESO wrote: »

devincutlerb14_ESO wrote: »

Seriously though, if you relegate all difficulty to dungeons or trials, what does that turn the rest of the MMO into? A kiddie pool for people who want their phat lewt with little or no effort?

Well at least it would be a pool with kiddies playing in it rather than a pool of stagnant water covered in leaves with tumbleweeds rolling past it.

Indeed.
When the goal is to make money with a mass-market MMO... You don't build a Navy SEAL training camp next to Disney Land, Six Flags, and waterPark_093 then market it to 10 year olds.

As a MMO gamer with seven years /played on an Everquest raiding druid, I like difficulty. I like challenges in content. I even like the occasional grind. They can be fun, they can be rewarding.

Making zones empty of players and full of 2-shot-capable rats isn't any of the above.

WilliamTee · June 2014

I coulda sworn craggy was initially announced as V10+... or did I imagine that?

Perhaps they thought too many people were complaining about having to complete the other two factions content, and they amended Craglorn so it became the alternate, and ultimately far more efficient, route.

Essentially, I suppose they succeeded. They made Alliance 2 and 3 content rather redundant. Good for alts. Bad for people playing as (in theory) was intended.

rbenkepub19_ESO · June 2014

I think a lot of people just haven't gotten there yet. I play every day and I only started in Stormhaven a few days ago. A friend who started at the same time I did is still in Glenubmbra. Even so, I've had no problems (so far) finding people to team up with for world bosses and dolmens.

Elyko · June 2014

Guys, is Summer, get outside and enjoy life. We will be back inside in autumn.

danreckerpreub18_ESO · June 2014

Elyko wrote: »

Guys, is Summer, get outside and enjoy life. We will be back inside in autumn.

But then who will argue about trivialities in random internet forums?
Plus, i'm allergic to nature of all types - life tries to kill me on a regular basis.
I'll stick to random internet arguments for the time being :P

Worstluck · June 2014

Elyko wrote: »

Guys, is Summer, get outside and enjoy life. We will be back inside in autumn.

What if it's not summer where you live? There are two hemispheres on this planet

Zershar_Vemod · June 2014

OP doesn't mention around what time they are having issues with noticing other players.

I see a ton in Deshaan for instance when I get the time to log on around 7pm or so eastern - before my summer job started I would see loads of people in vets zones all day...

Yankee · June 2014

danreckerpreub18_ESO wrote: »

As a V6, nearly V7 nightblade entering the third faction... Yes. I played all weekend, about 18 hours total. I counted the number of friendly players I came into visual range of.

16.

Sixteen people. The entire weekend. I wanted to actually do the questlines, rather then spam myself through Craglorn, then quit out of boredom. The skeevers that hit for 60% of my health are becoming tiresome. Why didnt the fighter's guild simply round up a few rats and spray Molag Bal down with cheese? With how hard things are hitting now, they certainly didn't need me - all they needed to do is gather a few random critters and find a portal to coldharbor.

I can play tag with NPCs all the way through V10 without too much of an issue, thanks to magnum shot and Siphoning resource gain, but the inability to get hit more then once (Literally) is getting a bit old.

I am annoyed that I cannot check both Agree and LOL.

KrisButtar · June 2014

Vet Rank zones are too hard for me. Including VR1 Daggerfall area. But I can kill trash mobs that are VR5 in PvP. So I just say in PvP I have yet to spend more than 30mins in the VR zones. Just not fun being killed all the time

Ragekniv · June 2014

There is no incentive to play VR zones when Craglorn is an option.

Increase XP in VR zones! Experience of mobs, quests etc should be higher!

Having to leave a VR zone before completing the appropriate level due to lack of quests and experience is ridiculous.

Hadria · June 2014

or maybe not everyone is/was in a rush to get there and they're taking their time.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · June 2014

Really haven't had that much of an issue. I have discovered how many people show up to a cry for help is directly related to how close it is to a wayshrine. I had 8 people at a dolmen and 6 and one of the bigger boss type mobs about what i would have expected in notmal 1-50 content. But i am usually one of those wierdos that stands around waiting for people to ask for help since i like doing to bosses and the dolmen.

But i am still VR3 so maybe by the time i get to the 3rd faction more people will have hung up there VR hats.

Dayel · June 2014

I am VR2 in Deshan and play at all hours but mainly between 8 and 12 p.m. EST, and I never find myself lacking in company. There may not be crowds but there are always some people about.

When requesting help with a dolmen, please state the region and the nearest waystation.

frwinters_ESO · June 2014

You forget that even though we are on a mega server the zones are instanced. You just may be in an instance that isnt well populated.

Ohioastro · June 2014

peter.harkessnrb18_ESO wrote: »

devincutlerb14_ESO wrote: »

Seriously though, if you relegate all difficulty to dungeons or trials, what does that turn the rest of the MMO into? A kiddie pool for people who want their phat lewt with little or no effort?

Well at least it would be a pool with kiddies playing in it rather than a pool of stagnant water covered in leaves with tumbleweeds rolling past it.

If you make it easy people will blast through it and then complain that there is nothing to do.

D2player87 · June 2014

If you are dying all the time in veteran levels you are doing it wrong. Adapt, learn, respec if necessary. If you stick to the build and techniques u used in 1-50 you will have a hard time

crislevin · June 2014

Normal VR zones do give good exp. You can run both world bosses and dolmens for exp repeatedly.

A group of 3 can run world bosses quickly and each gives 10k exp.

Dolmens are harder, need more people, but gives 25k exp.

If you do these nonstop, it's possible to level up at decent speed.

Maverick827 · June 2014

D2player87 wrote: »

If you are dying all the time in veteran levels you are doing it wrong. Adapt, learn, respec if necessary. If you stick to the build and techniques u used in 1-50 you will have a hard time

Unless you leveled light armor/staff from 1 - 50, in which case you win! You picked the correct combination. Congrats!