Stamina Builds NEED attention! Killing an target!

Valn · June 2014

10 out of 22 crafted set bonuses favour magicka builds
3 out of 22 crafted set bonuses favour stamina builds

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/109647/why-do-the-crafted-set-bonuses-seem-to-favour-magicka-builds-stamina-builds-get-the-shaft/p1

Light armour passives

Reduces Magicka cost of spells by 1% per piece of light armour equipped (0/3)

Increased Magicka recovery by 2% per piece of light armour equipped (0/2)

Medium armor passives

Increases stamina recovery by 2% per piece of medium armor equipped

No stamina reduction cost passives for any set of armour

Two handed: Reduces cost of 2h abilities by 10% (0/2)

KILLING AN TARGET

An picture with an visual factual evidence stamina abilities have no attention.

1H and shield: Fortress: Reduce cost of 1h+shield abilities by 10% (2/2)

Dual Wield: Reduce cost of duel wield abilities by 10% (0/2)

Bow Reduce cost of bow abilities by 20% (2/2)

Destruction Staff Restores 140 magicka when killing a target with a destruction staff (0/2)

Damn I'd love to get 140 stamina when killing someone with a stamina ability! But that would mean I have to do melee and actually fight

So why not stand back and shoot destruction staff and have unlimited godly magicka!

Restoring 140 magicka after kill > any of these cost reduction abilities for stamina

Mages Guild Passive:

Reduces magicka and health cost of mages guild abilities by 8% (0/2)

Increased max magicka and magicka recovery by 1% per mages guild ability slotted (0/2)

Fighters guild passives have no stamina cost reduction or recovery.

Alliance War Assault

Increase magicka and stamina by 10% after capturing a resource for 10m. Not really stamina specific.

Alliance War Support

Increases Magicka recovery by 5% for each support ability slotted (0/2)

Nothing for stamina on Support. You can attack and heal with magicka but you can't heal with stamina, so magicka get more recovery! Wow much balance.

If I got anything wrong please correct me

seitekisaki · June 2014

Stamina adds attack damage and skill damage (for certain skill trees). So I always think about it like this. Magicka builds are about spamming, and stamina builds are not. So when I do stamina vs magicka dps i add in light and heavy attack damage to calculate stamina based damage vs magicka based. If you want to light attack and heavy attack stamina is the only way to go, and more armor choices to make it work.

pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO · June 2014

seitekisaki wrote: »

Stamina adds attack damage and skill damage (for certain skill trees). So I always think about it like this. Magicka builds are about spamming, and stamina builds are not. So when I do stamina vs magicka dps i add in light and heavy attack damage to calculate stamina based damage vs magicka based. If you want to light attack and heavy attack stamina is the only way to go, and more armor choices to make it work.

I'm not quite sure what to make of it. Doesn't magicka also increase magic damage and skill damage? Are you saying that if you choose a stamina based build your only option is to use light/heavy attacks?

Lyall84 · June 2014

You forgot that light armor gives 49% spell pen, while medium armor only gets 21% crit...but that can be made up by mage light morph (20% spell crit) for magicka users. So with the sacrifice of one ability, light armor can have the same crit as medium, and medium/stamina users have no way of getting a static 49% armor pen,

seitekisaki · June 2014

pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO wrote: »

seitekisaki wrote: »

Stamina adds attack damage and skill damage (for certain skill trees). So I always think about it like this. Magicka builds are about spamming, and stamina builds are not. So when I do stamina vs magicka dps i add in light and heavy attack damage to calculate stamina based damage vs magicka based. If you want to light attack and heavy attack stamina is the only way to go, and more armor choices to make it work.

I'm not quite sure what to make of it. Doesn't magicka also increase magic damage and skill damage? Are you saying that if you choose a stamina based build your only option is to use light/heavy attacks?

Magicka increases magic damage. Stamina increases physical damage.
I mentioned light and heavy attacks because it is also apart of stamina dps. So when comparing magicka and stamina don't forget to add in light and heavy attacks. Stamina abilities offer a different play style that some people say is infinitely worse, but I do not believe that those people are calculating the damage correctly, or commenting on the use basis.

ArRashid · June 2014

I think all stamina attacks need GIANT buffs.

Take any caster. He can burst down a group of mobs within 5 seconds (under VR levels in 2.5-3), while he can hold block to take less damage and to repel CCs(provided he has enough stamina to last for that time).

Now take any physical build. All you have are a light attacks (which deal less than 5% dmg per hit), heavy attacks (which take about 10% HP per hit, but take 2.5-3s to charge up) and a few abilities, of which most don't deal almost any damage (most stamina abilities are just essentially finishers - all DW abilties, 2h's Reverse Slash) while taking too long to perform (long animation or even plain casting time). Not to mention 90% of them are single target only.

And also that 80% abilties in game use and scale with magicka. you can use maximum of 12 stamina abilities (5 from weapon, 1 from armor and 6 from fighters guild) at once, while there are about 40 magicka ones (18 from class, 6 from mages guild, then undaunted and light armor spell, all PvP spells..). You practically don't even have a choice to go full stamina. You must always go as a hybrid!

So to sum it up.
Caster can kill a pack of 3 mobs in 5 seconds at his worst. Stamina users may TRY to do it in 20+ seconds (and fail due to being killed), or he just has to use some magicka abilities as well, in which case it takes him about 3-4 times longer than to the caster to deal with the same pack. Provided he can survive. Since he cannot block, dodge or anything else to save stamina for attacking, due to ingenious design of this game