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Not trying to sound mean here Zenimax but...
Elyna
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When you guys didnt involve an auction house, what did you honestly expect to happen? Did you not foresee the spam from people trying to sell stuff?
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Brittany_Joy✭✭✭✭I actually don't see the problem here. The selling through zone chat kinda, indirectly encourages socialization. I still see peeps selling through chat even on WoW with the AH.
I think the major problem is the guild stores don't actually work in Cyrodiil, by this I mean you can't access the guild store unless you are a member of that guild when they said you should have access to it.6 -
gcalex5✭✭✭I think the upcoming patch with guilds being able to bid on public marketplaces will fix this issue. But originally I did feel the same as you but this should allow us to create a semi-normalized economy with stable prices for things.0 -
ShadowWolf613✭✭✭An auction channel won't fix it. They will still spam in zone chat to get across to more people.1 -
ShadowWolf613✭✭✭daienkaib16_ESO wrote: »
yeah this is coming in the craglorn patch if I remember correctly0 -
Orizuru✭✭✭anonymousshadow613b16_ESO wrote: »An auction channel won't fix it. They will still spam in zone chat to get across to more people.
This is true. And to expand upon the thought... an AH won't fix the trade spam either. It will lessen it I'm sure, but there will always been enterprising players trying to advertise their wares in the channels with the largest audience.
And lets not forget the inevitable spam of public channels just to link a rare item that is currently listed in the AH.
Trying to stop players from selling goods in chat channels is about as effective as getting people to stop trolling forums and chat rooms.
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✭✭✭I always liked SWG when near a starport people where saying/yelling to sell stuff (or train people or asking for training). I had the /say disabled in chat though, but i liked the chatbubbles.
SWG didn't have a global chat at first, but later a /planet chat and you could join a chatsystem (or customize your own) which everyone could join (and thus a tradechat was created. That way the chat was clean.
I don't think an auctionhouse is needed. The guild system works for me pretty well.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
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It's not in the Craglorn patch notes, so I dbout it.anonymousshadow613b16_ESO wrote: »daienkaib16_ESO wrote: »
yeah this is coming in the craglorn patch if I remember correctly
Considering they can't even get Craglorn out on time, I wouldn't hold your breath for guild kiosks.0 -
Khandi✭✭✭I think the upcoming patch with guilds being able to bid on public marketplaces will fix this issue. But originally I did feel the same as you but this should allow us to create a semi-normalized economy with stable prices for things.
Or it will create a huge monopoly but either way it has to be an improvement even if it is half-assed.
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Catches_the_Sun✭✭✭✭✭What is wrong with spam of people selling stuff? This is a form of socialization that has been lacking in MMO's for years. It's amazing to me that half the threads on this Forum knock ESO for being a Singleplayer game & the other half knock ESO for their mechanics that encourage socialization. I have over a dozen people in my friends list that I met just by trading & have a regular customer base from that.Catches-the-Sun - Argonian Templar - Master Smith, Provisioner, Chemist & Tailor
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I Agree with Catches, I have meet more people through trade and find this open market very refreshing!!
Who the hell wants to scroll through 10+ pages of the same item 1g cheaper then the other again.... AH uncutting is fail, messy, and just makes people robots on town...3 -
columbineb14_ESO✭✭✭Catches_the_Sun wrote: »What is wrong with spam of people selling stuff? This is a form of socialization that has been lacking in MMO's for years. It's amazing to me that half the threads on this Forum knock ESO for being a Singleplayer game & the other half knock ESO for their mechanics that encourage socialization. I have over a dozen people in my friends list that I met just by trading & have a regular customer base from that.
Well ... some of us don't think salespitches are social interaction.
For the record, nor do I think LFG requests are social interaction; nor do I think guild ads are social interaction. Call me an old grouch if you like.
When you take the trade chat, the gold sellers, the guild pitches, and the LFGs out of /zone, there is pretty much nothing left in zone except the occasional person asking where to find something or how to solve a puzzle. So I mute /zone. I grant you could argue, with legitimacy, that this stuff is what zone is FOR - that's fine - but I don't consider it actual socializing, and none of it is useful to me.
I have just told you more than I know.4 -
Xnemesis✭✭✭✭I think its pretty awesome to send out a zone msg that says selling X for X amount and then have people whisper me to cod them. Its instant I get the price I want and don't have to play the AH game. I rarely cant find a buyer either. They should definitely put in a Trade channel though just to show they are willing to compromise a bit2 -
Vordar✭✭If a Trade Channel reaches more people then people would use it. So if a trade channel is Server Wide instead of Zone Wide, Zone should be cleaner.0 -
Catches_the_Sun✭✭✭✭✭columbineb14_ESO wrote: »Catches_the_Sun wrote: »What is wrong with spam of people selling stuff? This is a form of socialization that has been lacking in MMO's for years. It's amazing to me that half the threads on this Forum knock ESO for being a Singleplayer game & the other half knock ESO for their mechanics that encourage socialization. I have over a dozen people in my friends list that I met just by trading & have a regular customer base from that.
Well ... some of us don't think salespitches are social interaction.
For the record, nor do I think LFG requests are social interaction; nor do I think guild ads are social interaction. Call me an old grouch if you like.
When you take the trade chat, the gold sellers, the guild pitches, and the LFGs out of /zone, there is pretty much nothing left in zone except the occasional person asking where to find something or how to solve a puzzle. So I mute /zone. I grant you could argue, with legitimacy, that this stuff is what zone is FOR - that's fine - but I don't consider it actual socializing, and none of it is useful to me.
It's not socializing to you because YOU choose not to use it...you old grouch! That doesn't mean the opportunity for socialization isn't there. I have met people from selling food that I speak to on a daily basis. Had this game used a global Auction House, that never would have been possible.
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columbineb14_ESO✭✭✭Catches_the_Sun wrote: »It's not socializing to you because YOU choose not to use it...you old grouch!
That's fair
I can't really imagine having a conversation start from beginnings like that, but more power to you if you can do it!
I have just told you more than I know.0 -
Catches_the_Sun wrote: »What is wrong with spam of people selling stuff? This is a form of socialization that has been lacking in MMO's for years. It's amazing to me that half the threads on this Forum knock ESO for being a Singleplayer game & the other half knock ESO for their mechanics that encourage socialization. I have over a dozen people in my friends list that I met just by trading & have a regular customer base from that.
Every MMO I've played over the last few years has had trade spam, however most have had the decency to create trade channels. Also AH's are a useful tool because they clear the trade channels of most useless junk and low grade items, you generally only go to trade channels to get a better deal than the AH on epic+ items not to buy trash.
What would be the best of both worlds is if they had a public AH but limited the item quality meaning you could only sell up to blues on the AH but purples and above you'd have to trade with the players directly. It would lessen the chat spam but still give a reason for players for more social trading.
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Xilc✭✭✭Without an auction house (or any form of market, in fact), there is no possibility of this game having any flourishing economy. Joining 5 guilds is honestly a poor way to slap together 5 micro-markets and call it an economy.
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Without an auction house (or any form of market, in fact), there is no possibility of this game having any flourishing economy. Joining 5 guilds is honestly a poor way to slap together 5 micro-markets and call it an economy.
True...
you are forced to join multiple trading guilds if you want to Sell anything and not spam the zone's 24/7 -_-
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Elyna✭✭✭✭Brittany_Joy wrote: »I actually don't see the problem here. The selling through zone chat kinda, indirectly encourages socialization. I still see peeps selling through chat even on WoW with the AH.
I think the major problem is the guild stores don't actually work in Cyrodiil, by this I mean you can't access the guild store unless you are a member of that guild when they said you should have access to it.
Hardly. All sales I've had go like this;
"CoD or meet up?"
"COD is good"
"Alright, here you go"
"Thanks"
"np"
I guess thats technically interaction but its rare for someone to become best friends from that.1 -
chaosngn_ESO✭✭✭Brittany_Joy wrote: »I actually don't see the problem here. The selling through zone chat kinda, indirectly encourages socialization. I still see peeps selling through chat even on WoW with the AH.
I think the major problem is the guild stores don't actually work in Cyrodiil, by this I mean you can't access the guild store unless you are a member of that guild when they said you should have access to it.
I agree. I sell a LOT and it makes it very social. Granted 80% of the social aspect is people complaining about the price, or they don't know about particular nerfs or value of items (i.e. want to pay 500g for a motif or want to pay 1k for a tempering alloy), but it does add more of a social aspect to the game.
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krapmyself✭✭✭I don't mind that at all, though I wish they had added a trade channels beside each zone channel.1 -
wafcatb14_ESO✭✭✭Yep they have one of the worest user interfaces i`ve seen in a mmo DAOC is worse tho lol . that said their guild store functions are clunky and generic at best .
Why they didn`t add a faction wide Auction channel is beyond me hell even EQ had server wide Auction channel back in 1999 . that you could join or toggle off etc . guess they keep thinking of the game as a single player game and didn`t want to ruin immersion haha .Edited by wafcatb14_ESO on May 24, 2014 6:40PM1 -
Elyna✭✭✭✭Depechenova wrote: »Get it through ya thick skulls all those wanting an Auction house. No.
Do you have a good reason why we shoudlnt?1 -
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✭trading works very well! Tradeguilds that works exist, but you have to gain entrance ;-)
Zone chat just impress me more and more every day. We need a trade channel, and keep the zone channel. IMPORTANT, the trade channel ONLY shows in the same zone as the zone channel.
Why do I want a trade channel? It works! Player economy is building up. People actually are merchants and buy/sell with interaction! And haggeling! Hell, I even traded one item for another. Totally player made. (Something you never gets with a AH).
I have send in a suggestion to Zenimax to add a trade channel. Make it copy of zone channel.
The zone channel works outstanding! People chatting, Looking for help/group. A Community isnt just forming....its here!
And before this turns into an AH discussion, DEVS already answerd that there is no plans to have a world wide AH. They talking about a guild kiosk, that works per city. Interesting as well, but the economy is really working! Eve should be worried about its position with the best player driven economy.Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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