Not Enough PVE-PVP content for an Online game

gokhanuzmez

So lets see some facts

1. It takes ages to sell an item that you looted, you have to old school WTS in the zone chat and hope you get lucky to find. Why would put an AH right? I love wasting time to sell stuff or buy.
2. You dare to go dungeons, kill bosses with all these tricks, get 2 gold loot, thats cool. maybe green or blue item if its your 5th run in there. Not to mention 2k repairs no matter if you die or not, and 5 exp per mob ( I am 34 running Volenfell for example)
3. There is no actual PvP anyways, constant running to get lucky with 2 second combat who is vet 10 and one shots you anyways. OR you get your guildmates and zerg run the map, does not even matter if you are there or not, rewards? barely a green and few hunderds exp.

I paid for this game and WHY the hell on earth these questions are bothering me? Arent there a huge team behind this game? What were they thinking? You want to go B2P or F2P ? Because this is how you do it!

The game is missing the BASIC details of a MMORPG, seriously though its missing, its not there. WOW

Liquid_Time

0. Hard to read.
1. I can agree with this, but am still on the fence for an AH.
2. The only part I care to reply on is.. Don't repair armor pre-vet. Just my suggestion of course. (money skink for a reason)
3. I have played PvP since level 25. Three words. "Pick Your Fights"

If you are a level 34 running up on a vet 10 then what do you expect?
If you are getting ambushed by players. Be more careful of your surroundings and avoid popular gank locations.. Hint, paths between your keep and an enemy's keep.

If there is one thing I have learned from the NB glass slingshot is that you MUST know when to pull out from fights. Now of course you will not always have this choice, but many times have I backed out of a 5v5+ fight and let my group die. Not because I am scared, but because you will figure out very early on if you have a chance or not.

*Just my feedback fro this post*

Natjur

(1) One auction house on a mega server..... wow the transactions per second would be nuts. That is the main reason they split it to 500 member only guild based trading. Sure it would make buying and selling easier and faster, but think there is a 'tech' issue with it and the mega server setup.

(2) Armor damage is based on exp gained to 'balance' grouping, all members of the group should take armor damage at the same rate (instead of just the tank) but yes, its a stupid idea, it should be based on how often you get hit

(3) PVP is always impossible to balance and zergs will always win. Until they add 'small' PVP, 4 vs 4 arena (which is coming), then there will not be any balance PVP

In my views, with all the bugs, this game is now in paid beta stage. 90 days after launch date is normally with a mmo is 'starting' to get right.

Ratnica

Lo and behold, a MMO that doesn't let you reach level cap in a few days of starting to play. How dare they!

Seriously? If you want 1-50 in a couple of hours, go play something else.

As for the rest of your rant, others answered, and did it pretty well too.

Spiritreaver_ESO

gokhanuzmez wrote: »

So lets see some facts

1. It takes ages to sell an item that you looted, you have to old school WTS in the zone chat and hope you get lucky to find. Why would put an AH right? I love wasting time to sell stuff or buy.
2. You dare to go dungeons, kill bosses with all these tricks, get 2 gold loot, thats cool. maybe green or blue item if its your 5th run in there. Not to mention 2k repairs no matter if you die or not, and 5 exp per mob ( I am 34 running Volenfell for example)
3. There is no actual PvP anyways, constant running to get lucky with 2 second combat who is vet 10 and one shots you anyways. OR you get your guildmates and zerg run the map, does not even matter if you are there or not, rewards? barely a green and few hunderds exp.

I paid for this game and WHY the hell on earth these questions are bothering me? Arent there a huge team behind this game? What were they thinking? You want to go B2P or F2P ? Because this is how you do it!

The game is missing the BASIC details of a MMORPG, seriously though its missing, its not there. WOW

Read all that, but really only have to speak at your thread title:

You are level 34. Maybe try actually digging into the currently available content before you start clamoring for more?

PBpsy

Yes unfortunately I agree. I can't really find those 8 quests and 3 dungeons that I have to run daily so I get tokens to get 100 of the to get a rng loot bag that gives me an nice piece very 200 loot bags . *** terrible game design.

gokhanuzmez

Liquid_Time wrote: »

0. Hard to read.
1. I can agree with this, but am still on the fence for an AH.
2. The only part I care to reply on is.. Don't repair armor pre-vet. Just my suggestion of course. (money skink for a reason)
3. I have played PvP since level 25. Three words. "Pick Your Fights"

If you are a level 34 running up on a vet 10 then what do you expect?
If you are getting ambushed by players. Be more careful of your surroundings and avoid popular gank locations.. Hint, paths between your keep and an enemy's keep.

If there is one thing I have learned from the NB glass slingshot is that you MUST know when to pull out from fights. Now of course you will not always have this choice, but many times have I backed out of a 5v5+ fight and let my group die. Not because I am scared, but because you will figure out very early on if you have a chance or not.

*Just my feedback fro this post*

0. I dont know what other languages you speak but my topic is pretty easy to understand for those who actually speaks and understand daily English.
1. we agreed on that one. LOL
2. So I change my armor everytime it goes trash? that is really not helpful at all, I cant find those nice stat armors all the time, thats insane.
3. Pick your fights. lemme ask you something. How long do I need to spend to pick a fight just to get a decent pvp combat? 30 mins, 50 mins? Some of us can only play few hours a day and why would ever, somebody waste this time waiting and hoping to pick a fight? There are other 2952314 mmos who have PvP areas that you queue and get on the fight when its ready. I do not understand why Zenimax did not add that at the beginning.

We can discuss this all day long, but in reality People are quiting, new members are coming without knowing these details, so Zenimax could care less what the consumer wants, but same thing happened to Swtor will happen to them, I bet some of them already looking for new jobs. Thats what happen when you advertise and market something that is not actually true.

gokhanuzmez

malikwalker_ESO wrote: »

gokhanuzmez wrote: »

So lets see some facts

1. It takes ages to sell an item that you looted, you have to old school WTS in the zone chat and hope you get lucky to find. Why would put an AH right? I love wasting time to sell stuff or buy.
2. You dare to go dungeons, kill bosses with all these tricks, get 2 gold loot, thats cool. maybe green or blue item if its your 5th run in there. Not to mention 2k repairs no matter if you die or not, and 5 exp per mob ( I am 34 running Volenfell for example)
3. There is no actual PvP anyways, constant running to get lucky with 2 second combat who is vet 10 and one shots you anyways. OR you get your guildmates and zerg run the map, does not even matter if you are there or not, rewards? barely a green and few hunderds exp.

I paid for this game and WHY the hell on earth these questions are bothering me? Arent there a huge team behind this game? What were they thinking? You want to go B2P or F2P ? Because this is how you do it!

The game is missing the BASIC details of a MMORPG, seriously though its missing, its not there. WOW

Read all that, but really only have to speak at your thread title:

You are level 34. Maybe try actually digging into the currently available content before you start clamoring for more?

I can and I am but when I have buddies, everyone is on a different stage of different quests, so what can we do in this game with your friends if I cant do a dungeon, efficiently ? Serious question.

gokhanuzmez

Natjur wrote: »

(1) One auction house on a mega server..... wow the transactions per second would be nuts. That is the main reason they split it to 500 member only guild based trading. Sure it would make buying and selling easier and faster, but think there is a 'tech' issue with it and the mega server setup.

(2) Armor damage is based on exp gained to 'balance' grouping, all members of the group should take armor damage at the same rate (instead of just the tank) but yes, its a stupid idea, it should be based on how often you get hit

(3) PVP is always impossible to balance and zergs will always win. Until they add 'small' PVP, 4 vs 4 arena (which is coming), then there will not be any balance PVP

In my views, with all the bugs, this game is now in paid beta stage. 90 days after launch date is normally with a mmo is 'starting' to get right.

I agree with you, but question is how many players stay after 90 days? They knew people would quit and is that why they made a MEGA server? haha

Spiritreaver_ESO

gokhanuzmez wrote: »

malikwalker_ESO wrote: »

gokhanuzmez wrote: »

So lets see some facts

1. It takes ages to sell an item that you looted, you have to old school WTS in the zone chat and hope you get lucky to find. Why would put an AH right? I love wasting time to sell stuff or buy.
2. You dare to go dungeons, kill bosses with all these tricks, get 2 gold loot, thats cool. maybe green or blue item if its your 5th run in there. Not to mention 2k repairs no matter if you die or not, and 5 exp per mob ( I am 34 running Volenfell for example)
3. There is no actual PvP anyways, constant running to get lucky with 2 second combat who is vet 10 and one shots you anyways. OR you get your guildmates and zerg run the map, does not even matter if you are there or not, rewards? barely a green and few hunderds exp.

I paid for this game and WHY the hell on earth these questions are bothering me? Arent there a huge team behind this game? What were they thinking? You want to go B2P or F2P ? Because this is how you do it!

The game is missing the BASIC details of a MMORPG, seriously though its missing, its not there. WOW

Read all that, but really only have to speak at your thread title:

You are level 34. Maybe try actually digging into the currently available content before you start clamoring for more?

I can and I am but when I have buddies, everyone is on a different stage of different quests, so what can we do in this game with your friends if I cant do a dungeon, efficiently ? Serious question.

ZOS has acknowledged that phasing has some serious issues when it comes to grouping with others on the same quest, but at different stages.

Should this issue have been sorted back in beta? Imo, hell yes it should have. But they are working on a fix for it atm. They screwed up, admitted it, and are trying to remedy it-really that's all they can do in this situation.

snowmanflvb14_ESO

there is plenty of pve content way more than a person needs to lvl.
PvP is fun. Just spent 3 hours with guild mates fighting to take back our keeps ambushing flaking attacks and sorties. Even had a 3 way fight going on.

Phantax

Natjur wrote: »

(1) One auction house on a mega server..... wow the transactions per second would be nuts. That is the main reason they split it to 500 member only guild based trading. Sure it would make buying and selling easier and faster, but think there is a 'tech' issue with it and the mega server setup.

Why do people always try to use 'Megaserver' as a reason for not having an AH?
EVE Online has a single megaserver and they have a global auction house. It works well, it's dynamic, its easily available by all !
The only reason we don't have it is because Zenimax are too stubborn to admit they screwed up and they will continue to justify their bad decision !

pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO

gokhanuzmez wrote: »

2. So I change my armor everytime it goes trash? that is really not helpful at all, I cant find those nice stat armors all the time, thats insane.

Crafting a brand new set is normally cheaper than repairing an old one. Much cheaper. Anything with 'nice stats' that you can find, you can also craft and make it better.

gokhanuzmez wrote: »

There are other 2952314 mmos who have PvP areas that you queue and get on the fight when its ready. I do not understand why Zenimax did not add that at the beginning.

Yeah, you wait in a line, like you are in Subway, then you get your sandwich opponent, then you fight, then you win/die... soooooo exciting! It's not a tournament happening in Cyrodiil - it's a friggin WAR!

What a massive whine!

Liquid_Time

I was going to reply to your response, but others did that for me quite well..

Anyways, I am simply trying to help cool down the fire you had started with some possible answers to your "questions/concerns" and hope you looked at it from another angle.

Much of the content within ESO was explained (Example: Cyrodiil) before the game was released. I did my research before buying the game and it is exactly what I expected. Now the bugs are an exception and you can only let those bother you for so long.

gokhanuzmez

Liquid_Time wrote: »

I was going to reply to your response, but others did that for me quite well..

Anyways, I am simply trying to help cool down the fire you had started with some possible answers to your "questions/concerns" and hope you looked at it from another angle.

Much of the content within ESO was explained (Example: Cyrodiil) before the game was released. I did my research before buying the game and it is exactly what I expected. Now the bugs are an exception and you can only let those bother you for so long.

I played 3 beta sessions, and I was pretty happy with what was going on, bought the game for that reason but yet again, in beta we could go only so far in leveling progression.
I am not complaining about END game. Mid game content is missing basic elements of an mmorpg,which I do not get.

Again, needs a dynamic Economy ( if I can sell it to SERVER WIDE via yelling and WTSing, i should be able to sell it via certain system, AKA AUCTION HOUSE , like its obvious)
I still dont understand the exp deal, you kill a boss around your level which takes around 2-3 minutes sometimes, you get 4 gold and 18 exp. I am not trying to level up to 50 in a week or 2, but there is something wrong here pal.

And again and again, cyrodil is OK for those who wants to run around all day to fight, but what if I want a nice combat , an actual PVP in a small scale, skipping all the unnecessary running and yelling for people to invite me in to their group.
Thats dark age of mmorpg history.
Its 2014. They need to figure simple things.

am I still playing? Yea, I paid for it so I want something in back. Do I stop complaining and asking for more? Heck no, I will do that till I am happy. Because I am a consumer and I am always right

Liquid_Time

At this point I am confused with what you are trying to achieve here. This seems to me more focused on a rant at this point. However I will continue to bite..

Your concerns are all over the place, so lets make a list of what I can understand and see if we can get you some answers.. Though I have little hope of them helping you at this point.

1. Lack of PvP content - There has been multiple posts regarding some love to be thrown at our current PvP system. Currently they have some changes that are expected to help for now, but the low population is still a concern.

2. Lack of PvE content - I do not feel I need to explain this much, but there will continue to be more PvE content. Example: Thieves Guild..

3. Desire for a AH - Lets hope the expected change in 1.1 will solve this.

5. EXP/Gold from dungeons - This seems off for me as well. However, you can get plenty of EXP and Gold from others sources.

My top concern above all of these listed above is.. Fixing the current state of the game before more content. Yes many of us want more and more, but lets face it. The more they add the more breaks. If what is currently broken is not fixed then we are going to continue to pay to test beta.

gokhanuzmez

I cant see the OFFICIAL patch 1.1 notes, besides numbers of websites tried to explain but it seems outdated. Do you know where can I read them ?
( I read the producers letter few weeks ago about this patch btw )