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Do we actually need RMT?
I have been researching the bots and RMT lately and it seems that today the reality is that MMO's require RMTs to be a success. at least 30% (according to most estimates) of MMO subscribers make use of RMT services.
Second, it appears there is a growing batch of what in the IT business we would call "script kiddies" - people that don't have a clue how to hack, but use other peoples scripts/programs to do hacking. These script kiddies do it for a wide range of reasons - bragging rights, they can't afford to pay for services, they feel entitled and believe all products should be free for them, etc...
From my researching online, it appears that the problem we are experiencing here are script kiddies - which I will also lump together with small RMT startups.
All MMOs have botters and RMT dealers, and in most cases their presence (when only the "big" companies are the majority of operators left in the MMOs after startup) is tolerable and an acceptable part of the game. Those of us that do not want to buy our way to to the top, just don't, and those that do want to buy it all just do.
However, here in ESO we appear to be experiencing the startup invasion of small RMT shops and script kiddies. This is evidenced by the many different naming conventions we see bots and spammers using. It is also obvious by the ways the bots operate. And lastly, it is obvious if you go read some of the botting forums, and read all the tales of people running a few to 5 or so bots each. Remember these script kiddies can number into the thousands, each running a few bots which would result in the swarm we see.
Also, it is my contention, that ESO can not afford to stop all RMT - even though I personally would prefer it, I believe it would not be a viable business plan for an MMO to not allow RMTs to operate. However, it is also my contention that the big companies that have been in the business for 10 years or so have it in their interest to not disrupt the in-game economy or cause mass defections of players by disrupting the game experience. It is in these big companies best interest (financial interest) to keep a lower profile and help the game be successful and so to expand their own market place.
The problem we are experiencing at the moment, in my humble opinion, are the script kiddies and their focus on the short term. Some of these would even love to destroy EOS purely for the bragging rights of how much damage they were able to inflect.
The good news is that I also witnessed expressions of concern over being banned by the script kiddies in the bot forums. It would seem that even though ESO does not give us any feedback about the success or lack of success of our reporting bots, the reporting is in fact affecting this group of botters, and ZOS is in fact banning (some) of them.
I guess I don't really have a point to this post - just my observations. If anything, I think the issue is more complex than the simplistic "solutions" I see posted here. In a perfect world (my perfect world, not yours
) ZOS could lock the game up tight and we would not have to deal with these bots. But, I think in the real world, we need ZOS to find solutions that allow us to play with a minimum of disruption, while allowing for the "needs" of at least 30% of their subs.
Second, it appears there is a growing batch of what in the IT business we would call "script kiddies" - people that don't have a clue how to hack, but use other peoples scripts/programs to do hacking. These script kiddies do it for a wide range of reasons - bragging rights, they can't afford to pay for services, they feel entitled and believe all products should be free for them, etc...
From my researching online, it appears that the problem we are experiencing here are script kiddies - which I will also lump together with small RMT startups.
All MMOs have botters and RMT dealers, and in most cases their presence (when only the "big" companies are the majority of operators left in the MMOs after startup) is tolerable and an acceptable part of the game. Those of us that do not want to buy our way to to the top, just don't, and those that do want to buy it all just do.
However, here in ESO we appear to be experiencing the startup invasion of small RMT shops and script kiddies. This is evidenced by the many different naming conventions we see bots and spammers using. It is also obvious by the ways the bots operate. And lastly, it is obvious if you go read some of the botting forums, and read all the tales of people running a few to 5 or so bots each. Remember these script kiddies can number into the thousands, each running a few bots which would result in the swarm we see.
Also, it is my contention, that ESO can not afford to stop all RMT - even though I personally would prefer it, I believe it would not be a viable business plan for an MMO to not allow RMTs to operate. However, it is also my contention that the big companies that have been in the business for 10 years or so have it in their interest to not disrupt the in-game economy or cause mass defections of players by disrupting the game experience. It is in these big companies best interest (financial interest) to keep a lower profile and help the game be successful and so to expand their own market place.
The problem we are experiencing at the moment, in my humble opinion, are the script kiddies and their focus on the short term. Some of these would even love to destroy EOS purely for the bragging rights of how much damage they were able to inflect.
The good news is that I also witnessed expressions of concern over being banned by the script kiddies in the bot forums. It would seem that even though ESO does not give us any feedback about the success or lack of success of our reporting bots, the reporting is in fact affecting this group of botters, and ZOS is in fact banning (some) of them.
I guess I don't really have a point to this post - just my observations. If anything, I think the issue is more complex than the simplistic "solutions" I see posted here. In a perfect world (my perfect world, not yours
) ZOS could lock the game up tight and we would not have to deal with these bots. But, I think in the real world, we need ZOS to find solutions that allow us to play with a minimum of disruption, while allowing for the "needs" of at least 30% of their subs. 8
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Xancathb16_ESO✭✭✭30% of mmo subs make use of RMT services? That's absolute nonsense. Show us your source for that ridiculous figure please lol.
The rest makes sense, it probably isn't viable for a company to dedicate enough resources to conduct a "crusade" wiping out 100% of RMT. The problem is the RMT/botting problem is SO prevalent it appears as if they are doing nothing at all.7 -
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Any simple google searches will show a number of references to how many people use RMT services. Also, it makes sense when you look at the size of the established RMT companies, with thousands of employees, and having significant brick and mortar presences in real world cities. Also, it makes sense that they are making a significant amount of money, or they would not be in business for over a decade now.
At best it is a romantic notion that some evil villain has been foiling companies (MMOs) attempts to stop then for over 10 years "for the fun of it"... no, there is money, lots of money in the business - and unless Bill Gates is playing and spending billions on armor, it takes a lot of players - each spending a little - to make that kind of profit accessible to the RMT companies.
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So all your research leads you to a highly questionable "30%" and you learned the phrase script kiddy.j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »However, here in ESO we appear to be experiencing the startup invasion of small RMT shops and script kiddies. This is evidenced by the many different naming conventions we see bots and spammers using. It is also obvious by the ways the bots operate. And lastly, it is obvious if you go read some of the botting forums, and read all the tales of people running a few to 5 or so bots each. Remember these script kiddies can number into the thousands, each running a few bots which would result in the swarm we see.
I'm sure there are many of those, much RMT activity is done by 'script kiddies', bout are cheap/free and easy to get so RMT don't need to employ hack writers themselves.
There will be some 'normal' cheaters and some looking for 'bragging rights', but in all honest skiddies are derided by 'real' hackers and their numbers aren't large by any yardstick.
Fact is, the skiddies you seem to think ESO is overrun by don't run bots that only harvest 24/7, they will bot content that has some e-peen value and harvesting jute doesn't qualify.
It's good you did some research but you seem to be putting too much faith in the skiddies watering holes, always a fatal mistake when trying to get an objective view about something.1 -
Xancathb16_ESO✭✭✭j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »Any simple google searches will show a number of references to how many people use RMT services. Also, it makes sense when you look at the size of the established RMT companies, with thousands of employees, and having significant brick and mortar presences in real world cities. Also, it makes sense that they are making a significant amount of money, or they would not be in business for over a decade now.
At best it is a romantic notion that some evil villain has been foiling companies (MMOs) attempts to stop then for over 10 years "for the fun of it"... no, there is money, lots of money in the business - and unless Bill Gates is playing and spending billions on armor, it takes a lot of players - each spending a little - to make that kind of profit accessible to the RMT companies.
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That's lovely, but please show me your math and how you came to 30%.
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Catflinger✭✭✭j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »All MMOs have botters and RMT dealers, and in most cases their presence (when only the "big" companies are the majority of operators left in the MMOs after startup) is tolerable and an acceptable part of the game.
O_o
Bots and RMTrading have destroyed MMOs. They have been the direct cause of massive sub losses and subscription-based MMOs having to go f2p. A lot of the RMT business is based out of mainland China and at least some bot operators are known to be slave laborers.
Please go away.
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So all your research leads you to a highly questionable "30%" and you learned the phrase script kiddy.
No, 40 years experience in the IT field makes me aware of script kiddies, and having been a hacker I am well aware of the difference and never mentioned hackers. You seem to be determined to attack my credentials as opposed to presenting any opposing argument supported by anything other than opinion.
Since google seems to be foreign to discussions by some, here is a link to a wiki article on the topic. There really isn't any point of a war of links - I will stand by my assessment, and believe it to be based on logic and research.
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Xancathb16_ESO wrote: »That's lovely, but please show me your math and how you came to 30%.
Thats okay, I wouldn't want do deprive you are the pleasure of doing a couple googles to prove it is less than 30%. We have even had people asking in these forums which are the best RMTs to buy from -
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Catflinger✭✭✭j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »
No, 40 years experience in the IT field makes me aware of script kiddies, and having been a hacker I am well aware of the difference and never mentioned hackers. You seem to be determined to attack my credentials as opposed to presenting any opposing argument supported by anything other than opinion.
Since google seems to be foreign to discussions by some, here is a link to a wiki article on the topic. There really isn't any point of a war of links - I will stand by my assessment, and believe it to be based on logic and research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_economy
We know what a "virtual economy" is, sir. We're also not new to MMO gaming, as you are.
You are desperately naive on this topic, let's leave it at that.2 -
Zakua✭✭✭ESO should sell gold. There is not a thing in this game that I can go buy with gold that is better then anything I can craft (well mounts I suppose). Some would say that the idea of ESO selling gold could/would inflate or even ruin the in-game economy, I do not think it would.
To ruin the in-game economy ....we would have to have one. Ok so we sort of have one that deals with motifs and some commodities and the random selling of a purple quality weapon but other then that there is no pre-set or established economy. There is no place I can go in-game at any time of the day and buy the games "Best" gear. Pay to win is not applicable here.
If ESO sold gold via it's online store with RMT it would kill the gold sellers I bet. Any player who feels a need to buy gold would be much more inclined to buy it from ESO. Those players who are buying gold from gold sellers will continue to do so...so why not have it come from the ESO store? Other players who do not buy gold are not going to run out and buy gold just because ESO sells it. I have a lot of gold and can't think of a reason I'd need to buy it...
I dunno maybe I blew right over some key fundamentals that would really hurt the game if ESO sold gold themselves...?
I just do not see a downside, it cleans up the bots/goldspam, enables the "I want it now" group to just easy route there in-game wallets via RMT and allows the rest of us to carry on with out being inundated with "B*U*Y##G*O*L*D*" friggin mails in game...Hell those sneaky *** are even trying to make the mails look like the kind you get from hirelings lol..4 -
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Do we need RMT, No!!j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »All MMOs have botters and RMT dealers, and in most cases their presence (when only the "big" companies are the majority of operators left in the MMOs after startup) is tolerable and an acceptable part of the game. Those of us that do not want to buy our way to to the top, just don't, and those that do want to buy it all just do.
Also, it is my contention, that ESO can not afford to stop all RMT
Do we want RMT, No!!
Can Zos Stop it completely, No!!
Should we then just capitulate and let it into the game, Christ No!!
Anything else is just a stupid exercise in legitimising criminal enterprises, heavy emphasis on criminal.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
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Xancathb16_ESO✭✭✭ESO should sell gold. There is not a thing in this game that I can go buy with gold that is better then anything I can craft (well mounts I suppose). Some would say that the idea of ESO selling gold could/would inflate or even ruin the in-game economy, I do not think it would.
To ruin the in-game economy ....we would have to have one. Ok so we sort of have one that deals with motifs and some commodities and the random selling of a purple quality weapon but other then that there is no pre-set or established economy. There is no place I can go in-game at any time of the day and buy the games "Best" gear. Pay to win is not applicable here.
If ESO sold gold via it's online store with RMT it would kill the gold sellers I bet. Any player who feels a need to buy gold would be much more inclined to buy it from ESO. Those players who are buying gold from gold sellers will continue to do so...so why not have it come from the ESO store? Other players who do not buy gold are not going to run out and buy gold just because ESO sells it. I have a lot of gold and can't think of a reason I'd need to buy it...
I dunno maybe I blew right over some key fundamentals that would really hurt the game if ESO sold gold themselves...?
I just do not see a downside, it cleans up the bots/goldspam, enables the "I want it now" group to just easy route there in-game wallets via RMT and allows the rest of us to carry on with out being inundated with "B*U*Y##G*O*L*D*" friggin mails in game...Hell those sneaky *** are even trying to make the mails look like the kind you get from hirelings lol..
I think one of the points the OP was trying to make was that going too far on the anti-RMT front would do more harm than good. A large number of people already feel nickle and dimed by the imperial race being locked behind a "paygate(the collector's edition) in addition to a standing sub fee, the sale of in game currency for real money by Zenimax might make their heads explode.3 -
Catflinger wrote: »j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »
No, 40 years experience in the IT field makes me aware of script kiddies, and having been a hacker I am well aware of the difference and never mentioned hackers. You seem to be determined to attack my credentials as opposed to presenting any opposing argument supported by anything other than opinion.
Since google seems to be foreign to discussions by some, here is a link to a wiki article on the topic. There really isn't any point of a war of links - I will stand by my assessment, and believe it to be based on logic and research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_economy
We know what a "virtual economy" is, sir. We're also not new to MMO gaming, as you are.
You are desperately naive on this topic, let's leave it at that.
So, your is your contribution to the discussion - cool.
Let's try this:
On the one side we have the theory that there are a group of mulit-million dollar companies with over 10 years experience in RMT attempting to drive the new market (EOS) out of business by doing everything they can do to drive away the very players that are their customers. This method of doing business is evidenced by their limited time in business and limited experience in hiding their operations from regular players. (Evidenced by my 4 years or so at WoW where bots were a curiosity and not a game breaking daily annoyance.)
On the other side, we have my theory, which is that the MMOs need RMTs (evidenced by the RMTs continued penetration into virtually every virtual economy in the world.) and therefore do not take every possible/obvious opportunity/method to eliminate them from the games. And my opinion that it is kiddies that are in fact ruining the EOS experience because they do not care for long term profit, and in many cases would prefer fro EOS to fail as a result of their efforts. Typical motivations for immature individuals ...
And since I am desperately naive - please do enlighten us on who is ruining the game by over farming, and using bots blatantly without regard for who knows it. And while you are at it, please enlighten us as to how a company like ZOS is so incompetent, and who in your opinion is competent to combat the RMT companies - you know the ones that have successfully run for over a decade now....despite companies with virtually (pun) unlimited funds - like WoW being unable to stop them.
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Xancathb16_ESO✭✭✭j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »Catflinger wrote: »j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »
No, 40 years experience in the IT field makes me aware of script kiddies, and having been a hacker I am well aware of the difference and never mentioned hackers. You seem to be determined to attack my credentials as opposed to presenting any opposing argument supported by anything other than opinion.
Since google seems to be foreign to discussions by some, here is a link to a wiki article on the topic. There really isn't any point of a war of links - I will stand by my assessment, and believe it to be based on logic and research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_economy
We know what a "virtual economy" is, sir. We're also not new to MMO gaming, as you are.
You are desperately naive on this topic, let's leave it at that.
So, your is your contribution to the discussion - cool.
Let's try this:
On the one side we have the theory that there are a group of mulit-million dollar companies with over 10 years experience in RMT attempting to drive the new market (EOS) out of business by doing everything they can do to drive away the very players that are their customers. This method of doing business is evidenced by their limited time in business and limited experience in hiding their operations from regular players. (Evidenced by my 4 years or so at WoW where bots were a curiosity and not a game breaking daily annoyance.)
Lol what? Who in this thread has conveyed anything even remotely resembling that opinion?
Debates must be very fun when you get to invent both sides of the argument.3 -
Xancathb16_ESO wrote: »The problem is the RMT/botting problem is SO prevalent it appears as if they are doing nothing at all.
Debates must be very fun when you get to invent both sides of the argument.
So, you state that the problem is that they are SO prevalent - and then deny my description of RMTs ruining the game experience - ie. RMTs are too prevalent to you, but only as long as you can blame EOS.Edited by j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO on May 19, 2014 3:55PM1 -
esoone✭✭✭Very good post i think il agree on most of it. Dont bother tomuch by the replies of the griefers its a very solid post. I also think zenimax would be smart to add a cashshop selling motifs for example things people can buy and sell ingame to others, this way they earn cash and people who wanna stroke there epeen with rmt gold can do so to without going to the game destroying moneysellers.2 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭Xancathb16_ESO wrote: »30% of mmo subs make use of RMT services? That's absolute nonsense.
What makes you think its nonsense?
Just look at the offer to estimate how huge is the demand.
And this is also the reason why they will never pursue the buyers: they cant ban 30% of their customers.
And this isnt just ESO, its the same on pretty much every MMO.
The only game that doesnt have this kind of problem is Planetside 2, as there is no exchangeable (spelling) currency.
Most modern gamers think its fair - for several reasons - to buy gold, they just dont say it loud on the forum.
I dont, in case you were wondering.Edited by Gisgo on May 19, 2014 3:57PM1 -
Very good post i think il agree on most of it. Dont bother tomuch by the replies of the griefers its a very solid post. I also think zenimax would be smart to add a cashshop selling motifs for example things people can buy and sell ingame to others, this way they earn cash and people who wanna stroke there epeen with rmt gold can do so to without going to the game destroying moneysellers.
I have mixed feelings on EOS selling gold. One experience I have with a company doing that is Secondlife (3d simulation - not really a game) and there a very viable economy had developed over the years with people pumping real money into the in world economy and people extracting real money out of the economy by selling the inworld "gold" for real money. It was a very viable model that worked for years with the worst problems occurring when the company running SecondLife would meddle by changing the rules occasionally.
I would be interested in seeing how that model would work, but I do not believe it would eliminate RMT completely, it would simply compete.1 -
Catflinger✭✭✭j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »So, your is your contribution to the discussion - cool.
Let's try this:
On the one side we have the theory that there are a group of mulit-million dollar companies with over 10 years experience in RMT attempting to drive the new market (EOS) out of business by doing everything they can do to drive away the very players that are their customers. This method of doing business is evidenced by their limited time in business and limited experience in hiding their operations from regular players. (Evidenced by my 4 years or so at WoW where bots were a curiosity and not a game breaking daily annoyance.)
On the other side, we have my theory, which is that the MMOs need RMTs (evidenced by the RMTs continued penetration into virtually every virtual economy in the world.) and therefore do not take every possible/obvious opportunity/method to eliminate them from the games. And my opinion that it is kiddies that are in fact ruining the EOS experience because they do not care for long term profit, and in many cases would prefer fro EOS to fail as a result of their efforts. Typical motivations for immature individuals ...
And since I am desperately naive - please do enlighten us on who is ruining the game by over farming, and using bots blatantly without regard for who knows it. And while you are at it, please enlighten us as to how a company like ZOS is so incompetent, and who in your opinion is competent to combat the RMT companies - you know the ones that have successfully run for over a decade now....despite companies with virtually (pun) unlimited funds - like WoW being unable to stop them.
Oh my god. That's some crazy tinfoil you got there, frank.
Blizzard was able to shut down the biggest western RMTrader operating out of WoW, a boil on the backside of gaming whose username initials are MD. He currently is an accepted "affiliate" over at EVE Online.
The issue with botting not being able to be shut down is because ever since Blizzard won against the makers of GliderBot on the basis of copyright violation, bot programmers and distributors have removed themselves from the United States to countries where they cannot be touched.
RMT is biggest in poor economies (such as mainland China) which is why you'll find that most gold spammer emails have awful English.
You are confusing the pvp battleground honor farming botting in WoW for the RMTrading botting going on here. Yes there are some kids here in this game doing some botting for leveling and just to see if they can get away with it. That's not what people are up in arms about.
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It's impossible to estimate how many people use Gold Sellers, because they are dodgy websites that are bordering on illegal activities, and an unspecified number cross into outright illegal activity.Xancathb16_ESO wrote: »30% of mmo subs make use of RMT services? That's absolute nonsense.
What makes you think its nonsense?
Just look at the offer to estimate how huge is the demand.
(Not going to say all of them, not going to deny it either)(take that lawyers
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But if the use was a high as 30%, then there are a lot of flippping idiots playing. No I take that back, and instead call them <Fined one dollar for a violation of the Verbal Morality Act>
(last part is a reference to demolition man, but what I would say would get me in serious trouble)Edited by AlexDougherty on May 19, 2014 4:02PMPeople believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Passion rules reason
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Blade_07✭✭✭✭Xancathb16_ESO wrote: »30% of mmo subs make use of RMT services? That's absolute nonsense. Show us your source for that ridiculous figure please lol.
The rest makes sense, it probably isn't viable for a company to dedicate enough resources to conduct a "crusade" wiping out 100% of RMT. The problem is the RMT/botting problem is SO prevalent it appears as if they are doing nothing at all.
Dont know what Squair Enix did in FFXI but there is no RMT's what so ever! They have wiped them out almost completely. On the rare occasion you might get 1 whisper from an RMT but its almost never & you 100% NEVER see any spam in zone chat at all. NONE!
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Lucifah✭j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »I have been researching the bots and RMT lately and it seems that today the reality is that MMO's require RMTs to be a success. at least 30% (according to most estimates) of MMO subscribers make use of RMT services.
Trustworthy sources, please?
I emphasise trustworthy, because it would be naive to believe that some of the
don't have any interest and means to spread rumours and have people hang out in forums to make it appear that normal players would be buying.established RMT companies, with thousands of employees, and having significant brick and mortar presences in real world cities
I have trouble believing that number, unless it includes people who legitamitely buy game currency with real currency in games where that is possible -- either directly or indirectly by buying items in a cash store which can be sold in the auction house. (Typically free-to-play or -more provocatively- pay-to-win games.)
You are spot on saying that bots can never be eradicated entirely. I'm careful pointing fingers into certain directions here, but in some countries what they do is either not illegal, or law enforcement simply doesn't give a toss, or they are corrupt and can be bought for a few coins of foreign currency. (That's not to say that there aren't any RMT and bot operators in, say, the USA or the UK or any other western country. Obviously they have prisons and police forces for a reason there, too.)
That said, giving in to the bots/RMT is wrong, and even if the publishers of MMOs might have an interest in keeping some of them around, it doesn't make it right. Referring to this here:Also, it is my contention, that ESO can not afford to stop all RMT - even though I personally would prefer it, I believe it would not be a viable business plan for an MMO to not allow RMTs to operate.
Can you actually prove that, because saying that they essentially cooperate with them is a rather serious allegation!
(Admittedly, it doesn't look like they will be coming up with a working resolution any time soon, but here's hoping that they prove all of us wrong! Still I wouldn't go as far as to suggest that they welcome bots and RMT)
If they wanted to make it easier for players to get items they want in order to progress or enjoy themselves more, they could provide a cash store. Any sensible publisher would do just that, because then they earn twice and nothing goes to external, possibly criminal, RMT companies.
(It doesn't go well with subscription based games, though, for reasons which others have pointed out above. Personally I wouldn't see a problem with that though, as long as you can't buy levelling boosters and nonsense like that and additional offers in a cash store only include special items which you don't necessarily need and which don't give anything but fun/cosmetic improvements)
Anyway, I think while you had some valid points, most of your google "research" doesn't hold water.
EDIT: RE WoW and bots... You obviously have never visited a battleground there.
Also very interesting that you think Blizzard owns "unlimited" funds. If that were true, they would just fold up and split the infinite amount amongst all employees and spend the rest of their lives on beaches slurping cocktails.
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Dont know what Squair Enix did in FFXI but there is no RMT's what so ever!
Here is the basic plan to remove RMT from FFXI - basically, banning hunters, sellers and BUYERS. I believe the banning of buyers would have the most impact, but is also the most dangerous approach for a company to take.
http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics/ff11us/detail/4008/4008_7.jpg
I don't know if the above link is legal - if not, I hope a moderator will remove it, and people can google FFXI and RMT and that chart will be one of the results.Edited by j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO on May 19, 2014 4:24PM1 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭I could only play FFXIV for 5 months (booooooring) but when i left the game was still full of RMTers.
TESO is one month old.1 -
Catflinger✭✭✭In a subscription-based game, the game company has to keep a tight lid on the economy. It needs to keep the players interested in farming items for themselves and in growing and maintaining an in-game economy. It is NOT in the best interests of the game to allow botters in to strip all the resources away for the purposes of selling them for real money off-site. And to suggest that the game company is in league with the RMTraders is in fact a very serious allegation, especially if the company in question is publically held.
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