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thegamekittenub17_ESO

Hello fellow game players.

I have some questions about Veteran ranks and the fun factor among others.

Does Veteran's actually get fun and better?

I am Veteran 1 in Ebon Pact, at first I was excited thinking oh new quests and more adventures. I got to Ebon Pact and found I was receiving level 1 (non-vr) food items, and level 1 gold drops from mobs. I took it stride even though it annoyed me greatly because I am not level 1 (non-vr ).

I figured well new quests chains and some different quests. I was wrong again, it seems it the same quests as my first alliance but just different way of wording. Still the same complete this puzzle, find this person/s, save a town, and find this item/s. Repeating quests in basically those categories..How absolutely boring when questing with just a little switch to the already boring lore (Single player games had way more interesting stories and your choices actually matter. People remembered the things you did and your choices so not knocking the original single player game).

I find that it is just so repeating in the quests of at least two of the alliances (have not done Daggerfalls yet). The reward system of V1 almost V2 is just laughable. Did a quest that had three chains in it. I got a whole 75 gold for it and I had to fight mobs that literally gave 1 or 2 gold and if lucky a drop here and there. So, I am suppose to pay my armor repair, up bank space, bag space, and feed my horses on these types of rewards and drops?

Just does it get better? How in Donald duck's name do you actually make money in these lands? Please don't say guild stores...that is just laughable. The way the guild store is set up is just *** on so many levels. I don't want to join 5 guilds. It would be different if you actually made a profit on selling gear to the Zenimax greedy vendors. Did you know if you want to sell 42,700 horse, you get just under 5k on it. If you want to sell a glyph you get 5 or 6 g but the vendors charge from 165 to 300 gold for 1.

The flaw of so many gold sinks in this game (sorry in the single player story I never had an issue of gold...NEVER and had a decent manner in getting gold easily,exampe looting armor and weapons in mob camps or caves is just one way).
I feel I am punished for getting higher level in another land over and over. Why level if there are no rewards for being a veteran? Just for the bragging rights you are Veteran whatever level?

I've been away from Wow going on 2 years, but honestly this game makes me want to re-sub where there is at least some rhyme and reason for leveling and the rewards are much more worthy at high levels. Where high levels are treated as the hero they are and not some peasant getting levels like this game.

Please tell me Veteran's get better and are actually fun, so I can play this overly abusive game towards their players! My fiancé is why I stay, or as soon as I did my first Veteran 1 quest, I would quit and re-sub in WoW and I hate their community.

BrassRazoo

Some people enjoy it, some people don't.
I don't mind it. I get to zones I have not been to, get a lot of skill points and gear to level up my crating and basically become a complete character.
I like to take my time so a few hours here or there is good enough for me.
I'm in no rush to get to level cap, and basically I'm not ready anyway.

I want to make all my own things and stuff and I can't even do that at Vet 7 .. almost.

A few comments though, people do remember what you do in the game. I pass NPCs that will say "It's the saviour of [whatever]" as I walk buy. This is not much different than Skyrim.

Seeing the other Alliances is interesting to me as basically, if you listen to the story, as you understand the fragile alliances, why other alliances are at war and what other influences are around that could possible bring them all together.

Seeing the other zones is also cool, there are some decent varieties in geography and creatures.

Basically, this is one way to see the entire game while levelling up to max level (both level and skills) collecting upgrade items and skills and getting ready to load out in a "final build' ready for Craglorn or Veteran Dungeons and perhaps upcoming Raids.

There are other ways to get to Max level if that's all you want to do.
But I believe it will end with a lesser character and if you want to be semi self sufficient, that is not held to ransom and reliant on others to craft you gear or make potions and food, then questing is the way to go.

If you plan on hanging around and subscribing then spending the first month or so developing your character (and your alts) for the long haul, is not that long in the grand scheme of things.

thegamekittenub17_ESO

To be honest, it isn't the lore. I read bad books before. It is the repeating same types of quests just a different reason. It is like this company could not think of but so little ways of giving quest. Too repeating.

I have alts and have almost every low level recipe, even if I collect loot to make low level recipes it is actually a waste of time, because they are useless at Veteran 1 and so little gold off them. Been level 50 in cooking for a very long time in game.

My character is more than I expected. She is speced perfectly for me and I almost always seem to be able to pull argo off any player. I am a bow wielding mage summoner. I have three magic skills..clanfear, twilight (as healer), and ultimate. The rest are bow skills.

As far as crafting I do it in an idle way. I don't like being forced to make objects and have 5 guilds just to sell it. Yes, I miss the auction houses of all the MMOs I played.

They remember very little and they have never remembered one choice I made in this game, in the single player they remembered your choice and it changed things for you. Sometimes good, sometimes bad.

It not that I want max level, I started early access and just got to Veteran 1. What does Max level do that is exciting anyways? What is the reward for max level? Nothing. I don't group in raids..so that new content means nothing to me. Now in one game I a max level character. I had dailies, I could run lower levels through dungeons or help them level up. I could craft fantastic armor for them or buy them armor because I was rewarded for getting to max level (took almost a year getting there). It meant something in that game, yes they had raids, but I didn't need to raid at max level just to have fun and do achievements and I was not punished for not doing raids. I wasn't all into the OW snap, I gotz the bestest armor, -preen and point at self-.

If raiding is the only aspect of reaching max level in this game. Then I feel sorry for them. There are people that don't do the whole OMGZ I can raids day!...

-.- Sorry I guess I expect a better game that has the Elder Scroll title.

PBpsy

For me the fun part was the VR ride if there was an option to skip the 1-50 part I would take it any time.
Things I like about VR zones:
-More challenge which makes me experiment .
-The sense of progression is accentuated since In VR you have some obstacle you have surmount by either improving your skill or your gear. It was a very nice feeling to finally figure out how to solo harvesters again at VR5 or to take down a Gargoyle.
-Since everything in a zone is at the same rank I am never over/under leveled.
-I can go to any part of a zone from the start without fear so there is a lot more freedom to explore.The VR zone game play is closer to Oblivion/Skyim.
-Crafting actually makes some sense while in 1-50 I didn't even have to bother.
-There is a lot more non combat game. I build wealth, crafting skills, plan and build my end game gear etc.The economic rewards are related to these activities not the quests which do begin to give more gold.
-I was not a fan of the "let me open a portal" main story line and I am glad that I am done with it.
-I never seen a bot in VR. I also never seen gold spam in VR zone chat.
-VR zone chatter can get dumb on occasion but never at the level of lvl1-50 zones.
-It is much easier to find a group to do the harder parts in VR,
-VR Trade guilds are actually useful.
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flintstone

I'm about to tick over to VR7 and it's been a long/hard haul (pretty much solo all the way). I don't mind that though.....I just wish there were a few more people around in the VR content (sometimes you do need a helping hand....and VR is VERY thin of players).

Taking on mobs of three (usually 1 level above me) requires a lot of sneaking and gear repair........the cost is to high!

In the early levels some amount of help will show up just when you need it (or, soon enough if you wait a few)......at vet level, forget it most of the time.

With the rewards being so small, and usually no help around.......the cost of the grind gets old fast (better to sneak than fight if you can).

Mostly I do have fun though.....and I will get to VR10!!!!!

KerinKor

I'm not VR yet but everything I've read about it makes me cringe but I'll give it a try .. sadly I'll never see VR12 because ZOS are making this a "group or don't bother" game with Craglorn's release and I loathe games where I'm forced to group all the time to progress: I left that behind in FFXI.

Aballister

VR's are just ESO's version of the end game grind.

PBpsy

flintstone wrote: »

I'm about to tick over to VR7 and it's been a long/hard haul (pretty much solo all the way). I don't mind that though.....I just wish there were a few more people around in the VR content (sometimes you do need a helping hand....and VR is VERY thin of players).

Taking on mobs of three (usually 1 level above me) requires a lot of sneaking and gear repair........the cost is to high!

In the early levels some amount of help will show up just when you need it (or, soon enough if you wait a few)......at vet level, forget it most of the time.

With the rewards being so small, and usually no help around.......the cost of the grind gets old fast (better to sneak than fight if you can).

Mostly I do have fun though.....and I will get to VR10!!!!!

Use zone chat. Unless I play at some unusual hour I never had a problem finding someone for dolmens,world bosses public group dungeons. It was mess in the 1-50 level zone though.

flintstone

PBpsy wrote: »

flintstone wrote: »

I'm about to tick over to VR7 and it's been a long/hard haul (pretty much solo all the way). I don't mind that though.....I just wish there were a few more people around in the VR content (sometimes you do need a helping hand....and VR is VERY thin of players).

Taking on mobs of three (usually 1 level above me) requires a lot of sneaking and gear repair........the cost is to high!

In the early levels some amount of help will show up just when you need it (or, soon enough if you wait a few)......at vet level, forget it most of the time.

With the rewards being so small, and usually no help around.......the cost of the grind gets old fast (better to sneak than fight if you can).

Mostly I do have fun though.....and I will get to VR10!!!!!

Use zone chat. Unless I play at some unusual hour I never had a problem finding someone for dolmens,world bosses public group dungeons. It was mess in the 1-50 level zone though.

I haven't really figured out the group/chat part of the game yet......I'm 63 and this is my first game of this type.

I did manage to use the group tool once.........but they kicked me quickly when I didn't know how to chat back (I didn't know you were supposed to watch the little chat box).

I'll get the hang of it all.

PBpsy

flintstone wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

flintstone wrote: »

I'm about to tick over to VR7 and it's been a long/hard haul (pretty much solo all the way). I don't mind that though.....I just wish there were a few more people around in the VR content (sometimes you do need a helping hand....and VR is VERY thin of players).

Taking on mobs of three (usually 1 level above me) requires a lot of sneaking and gear repair........the cost is to high!

In the early levels some amount of help will show up just when you need it (or, soon enough if you wait a few)......at vet level, forget it most of the time.

With the rewards being so small, and usually no help around.......the cost of the grind gets old fast (better to sneak than fight if you can).

Mostly I do have fun though.....and I will get to VR10!!!!!

Use zone chat. Unless I play at some unusual hour I never had a problem finding someone for dolmens,world bosses public group dungeons. It was mess in the 1-50 level zone though.

I haven't really figured out the group/chat part of the game yet......I'm 63 and this is my first game of this type.

I did manage to use the group tool once.........but they kicked me quickly when I didn't know how to chat back (I didn't know you were supposed to watch the little chat box).

I'll get the hang of it all.

You don't really need the group tool unless you want to do private dungeons.
For world bosses/dolmens just go to the location than say that the dolmen or boss is up in zone chat. People will either come there or ask you for an invite.Sometime the groups may continue to do all of them.
For group public dungeons just wait close to the entrance and ask people if they want to join you.

zaria

KerinKor wrote: »

I'm not VR yet but everything I've read about it makes me cringe but I'll give it a try .. sadly I'll never see VR12 because ZOS are making this a "group or don't bother" game with Craglorn's release and I loathe games where I'm forced to group all the time to progress: I left that behind in FFXI.

Regarding Craglorn its the group based end game who is currently missing, after that we get thief guild and DB for more solo play, we will also get imperial city for PvP.

rawne1980b16_ESO

I gave up on the vet zones.

They were dead and I got bored.

Plus i'm an altaholic so i've already done the quests in other zones. Doubt i'll ever get a VR10.

AreoHotah

How do you make gold? I bought ALL motifs, upgraded bank and inv space up to 120, bought a 42k black horse and i curently have 93k. making gold in this game is to easy.

thegamekittenub17_ESO

crai7er_boy_4lif3b16_ESO wrote: »

How do you make gold? I bought ALL motifs, upgraded bank and inv space up to 120, bought a 42k black horse and i curently have 93k. making gold in this game is to easy.

Um okay if you say so, I guess this game is boring to me because the scripts of lore are absolutely horrible compared to the single player game. I also not enjoying being punished because they can't handle their own bot problem. The way too much gold sinks and simply lame rewards and reward for being higher level. Now that I think of it...This game has a long, long, long way to go before it is actually a nice game. Too many things punish the player and gets worse after defeating Prince.

Tropico 5 releases this month, so as long as my fiancé agrees to pay my sub, then I continue to play while he can play or until I get him to switch to another sub where reason and rhyme matter and I as a player isn't punished by the company of this game.

Thank you for all the input. It was great reading what each felt. I just can not see it. I see an abusive, broken, gold sink game.

Have a great day.

Audigy

I honestly think that the quest´s do indeed change a lot. I am just doing the starter zone of my second Char and its in no way the same to my first.

The whole story and lore is totally different, the NPC´s have a totally different attitude as well.

Sure there was also a dog that lead me to a quest, but I think that's totally ok. It would be silly if a unicorn would give me the quest don't you think?

Besides that, you have many different quest´s. As example, you have to help someone with a task in regards of defending, protecting, finding, persuading.

Then you have discovery quest´s where you need to reveal a plot, find an explanation why someone kills someone else or why an Argonian doesn't like its neighbor...

Maybe ESO isn't so interesting lore wise for someone who is a die hard Elder Scrolls fan, I cant judge this, but to me? I learn and discover new stuff every time I play and at no point did I feel that questing is as dumped down as in other games like Wow where the only thing that changes in a quest is the type of animal that the paw comes from and lore totally doesn't exist.

I laugh a lot while doing quest´s, the combination of story with MMO just works for me

wrlifeboil

You know it's bad when you dread inventory management less than grinding another quarter bar of vr rank. The fun factor drops considerably. What amplifies this is that the vr zones are deserted compared to 1-50 zones, even during the evenings when you would expect the highest number of players online. What's up with the 'megaserver' technology?

VR ranks are a drag and I say this as someone actually interested in the ES storyline in eso. I think vr ranks are where the attrition rate of subscribers go up. It's a real slog. You have to really be motivated to log on and get through it all.

Zorak

Tbh ?

Too repeating and too boring. =(

I'm VR3 now but I can't manage to play anymore.

Retrieve all the materials from my hirelings, start a new research on my crafting alt, log on my main, stare at the screen for a minute and quit.

Viblo

What I find funny is the people who zoomed to VR levels are now complaining that those levels are empty. No duh, they are empty. Give it some time, there are people who are actually purposely leveling slow to see as much of the game as they can before VR ranks. Those zones will get populated and then you can complain about how crowded they are instead.

LunaRae

VR1 isn't that empty, I see people in Glenumbra all the time. I'm still enjoying the game with guildies at VR2, I stop and go help lower levels complete group dungeons, or help craft friends new gear. Lots to do aside from leveling and questing

Zorak

Viblo wrote: »

What I find funny is the people who zoomed to VR levels are now complaining that those levels are empty. No duh, they are empty. Give it some time, there are people who are actually purposely leveling slow to see as much of the game as they can before VR ranks. Those zones will get populated and then you can complain about how crowded they are instead.

You are right, there is no point in rushing like crazy then crying that it isn't populated. Like...lol

The problem I see with all this veteran idea isn't being crowded or not, because later on it will indeed get more populated.

I personally find it very boring.

wrlifeboil

Zorak wrote: »

Viblo wrote: »

What I find funny is the people who zoomed to VR levels are now complaining that those levels are empty. No duh, they are empty. Give it some time, there are people who are actually purposely leveling slow to see as much of the game as they can before VR ranks. Those zones will get populated and then you can complain about how crowded they are instead.

You are right, there is no point in rushing like crazy then crying that it isn't populated. Like...lol

The problem I see with all this veteran idea isn't being crowded or not, because later on it will indeed get more populated.

I personally find it very boring.

It is now nearly two months after early access launch. Getting to level 50 in two months is hardly "rushing" through the content. Seriously, it's obvious which forum posters are just parroting what others wrote weeks ago.

Then again for a first time gamer, it might be "rushing."

wrlifeboil

Viblo wrote: »

What I find funny is the people who zoomed to VR levels are now complaining that those levels are empty. No duh, they are empty. Give it some time, there are people who are actually purposely leveling slow to see as much of the game as they can before VR ranks. Those zones will get populated and then you can complain about how crowded they are instead.

@viblo, suggest you go back and read what was being talked about right after the megaserver reveal a year ago.

thegamekittenub17_ESO

I have to say, that I didn't give a whole of positive words on this. I do love my hybrid character. She rocks. Had to switch her to heavy armor because she smacked the mobs so hard she was pulling argo onto herself even in a group more than just my fiancé.

I love the Queens quests, Raz's quests (That character is just funny), and Cadwell (I would actually talk to him because he cracked me up every single time I did talk to him).

I love the graphics of the game. It is pretty and it could be prettier but it would hurt some players because of their computers and I understand that. It still a very beautiful game.

I loved some of the quests and their rhyme and reason, but those are so far between...too much far and few between.

But the I don't like what I mention above ( my other posts here) and some more I didn't even mention out weigh what I do love.

Viblo

wrlifeboil wrote: »

Viblo wrote: »

What I find funny is the people who zoomed to VR levels are now complaining that those levels are empty. No duh, they are empty. Give it some time, there are people who are actually purposely leveling slow to see as much of the game as they can before VR ranks. Those zones will get populated and then you can complain about how crowded they are instead.

@viblo, suggest you go back and read what was being talked about right after the megaserver reveal a year ago.

Why would I search for and try to find something that was being talked about over a year ago? I would put zero relevance on an issue talked about a year ago anyway so there is no point.

Aeradon

At one point of time I find the game boring, my attention span is very low and I breeze through quests all the time. Only to slow down when I see interesting mobs or weird plots. Heck, I didn't even do the main story, cause I was never fond of being the emperor's lapdog.

When I came to level 49, however, I know I had to do the main for the VR, hence went back to start the whole chain. I was so tired and burnt out that I slowed down to let them finish their sentence before clicking the dialog. I also turn down the EDM to listen to in game stuff they mumble as they accompany me.

And I began talking to NPC while I click that respond button. I prefer my own dialogs.

Turns out, I laughed so hard my family thought I went cuckoo. First time getting such a good laugh at games since getting the "Aaaa-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta" gun from Borderlands.

Now I plan to do DC all over again after I complete the VRs. Just to see what jokes they slipped in, that I've missed by rushing the contents.

I'm not saying I don't need a "You've completed this alliance campaign before, do you wish to do it again or start at VR1?" option. I want that option. Logically speaking,1-50 feels like breaking out of Coldharbor.

wrlifeboil

Viblo wrote: »

wrlifeboil wrote: »

Viblo wrote: »

What I find funny is the people who zoomed to VR levels are now complaining that those levels are empty. No duh, they are empty. Give it some time, there are people who are actually purposely leveling slow to see as much of the game as they can before VR ranks. Those zones will get populated and then you can complain about how crowded they are instead.

@viblo, suggest you go back and read what was being talked about right after the megaserver reveal a year ago.

Why would I search for and try to find something that was being talked about over a year ago? I would put zero relevance on an issue talked about a year ago anyway so there is no point.

Let me guess, School of Ignorance is Bliss?

Sanspoof

Zorak wrote: »

Tbh ?

Too repeating and too boring. =(

I'm VR3 now but I can't manage to play anymore.

Same here. I'm starting to think I won't ever muster the will to get myself out of Shadowfen.

I'm so sick of talking to walking lizards!

Viblo

Let me guess, School of Ignorance is Bliss?

What? Why don't you enlighten me on what was said instead of having me search for year old discussions? Be a logical person at least instead of making vague statements that you want me to decipher. Unless your mind is really that screwed up and you can't have a social interaction with a real person.

Grimnix173

I've been v10 for a few weeks now. I enjoyed Veteran leveling simply because the quest were actually difficult unlike the 1-50 zone.

The big thing that Veteran leveling made me realize is that all the faction's quest are pretty much the same. Lots of dungeons and instances that look the exact same as the ones you crawled through to get to 50. Once you hit veteran content its simply about questing as fast as possible and killing as few mobs as you can so you can maximize quest exp...Dumb if you ask me. My character probably killed more monsters from 1-50 then v1-v10. simply because its a waste of time to smash through packs of hard monsters to get 150 VExp. Grinding mobs is not an option and it should be.

Also if you started off as AD, the quest go down hill. AD by far has the coolest quest.

Zorak

wrlifeboil wrote: »

Zorak wrote: »

Viblo wrote: »

What I find funny is the people who zoomed to VR levels are now complaining that those levels are empty. No duh, they are empty. Give it some time, there are people who are actually purposely leveling slow to see as much of the game as they can before VR ranks. Those zones will get populated and then you can complain about how crowded they are instead.

You are right, there is no point in rushing like crazy then crying that it isn't populated. Like...lol

The problem I see with all this veteran idea isn't being crowded or not, because later on it will indeed get more populated.

I personally find it very boring.

It is now nearly two months after early access launch. Getting to level 50 in two months is hardly "rushing" through the content. Seriously, it's obvious which forum posters are just parroting what others wrote weeks ago.

Then again for a first time gamer, it might be "rushing."

What ?? lol

Level 50 ??? hahah

What are you talking about ?

I'm talking about who went VR10, or VR5+, in less than a week. (isn't it rushing ??)

I'm VR3 now, but I barelly play now because I find it too boring.

So...

Seriously, it's obvious which forum posters are just "try hard" trolls....


Edit: Like all your posts on this thread. =(

alienbongs

Veteran zones are a real drag. The way the main story transitions you into the enemy factions is embarrassing. What worries me nowadays, is the fact this system is pretty much built-in to the game design. I don't honestly think they will ever change the nonstop, mostly solo grind that is VR1 to VR10. I went from playing every minute of free time I had during 1 to 50, to now playing maybe forty minutes a night (if at all).

Craglorn will be awesome, but it won't be enough to keep most people satisfied for long. Not to mention it doesn't solve the problem of the extreme repetition in initial veteran ranking. I hope they manage to push the player crime and justice system out sometime in the next 6 months. Little things like this make a world of difference in terms of creating a good, fun atmosphere for players IMO.

I hope this game succeeds, and I hope Zenimax is listening to our very real concerns about post-50 game content.