Am I missing the point of PvP at Level 10?

Elder_Soul

So, I finally went to Cyrodiil at level 10. Is there a reason to even do this? Got my "unmentionable" handed to me quite often against level 50 players and NPCs. I take it that unlike GW2, your char doesn't "scale up" in PvP. If that is the case, out of curiosity, is there a legitimate reason to do PvP before level 50?

SirAndy

Huh? You get scaled to a basic level 50 when you enter Cyrodill.

I've been having a lot of fun with my Naked Nord. Started PvP at level 10 and i'm slowly working him up the ranks.
As long as you don't expect to take on a VR10 in a 1v1 fight, you'll do just fine. I know i'm enjoying it ...

nerevarine1138

Your base stats get scaled up, but gear bonuses make a big difference for higher levels. In general, you can go to Cyrodiil that early, but you need to stay in a large group.

ChairGraveyard

You do get scaled, but right now because of the difference between VR and non-VR players, it's pointless and you'll get one shotted by VRs.

Elder_Soul

Ok, I thought the char scaled, but I got whooped so bad so easily, I thought maybe it didn't scale up. Also, it is a little confusing when I look at my char stats and all of them say level 10 or whatever low level my gear and weapons are, as opposed to saying level 50.

rawne1980b16_ESO

It was fun during early access and the first week afterwards .... now, not so much.

As the VR's multiply the lower levels just turn into cannon fodder.

But you can still man siege weapons .... yay.

Shaun98ca2

Anything below VR10 you will really want to consider finding groups of people to follow around and assist, your contribution will be much greater the more utility you bring for the group.

Danarchist

The only thing you can do pre-40ish is find a zerg and join up with them and hope to get a hit in here or there. You can also heal, but from my experience 2hrs healing=killing 1 person. Honestly the pvp in beta was great because there were very few capped players running around. Now there are numerous VR10's that spend their seemingly limitless free time running around 1shotting 'noobs'.

Power creep kills pvp, at least for now till the rest of us that get the standard 1-3 hours of playtime a day catch up and can compete. The majority of my friends refuse to play pvp now because it's so lame, just the VR level guys still go to cyrodil.

A major problem with their 'scaling' mechanic is your gear doesn't scale and passives are not opened up that make a HUGE difference. If you want to argue that just search youtube for "ESO pvp low level verse high level player". There is a video out there of a guy using everything he has on an apparently afk VR3 guy, and not doing enough damage to even outpace his health regen. It is damn near pointless to pvp before 50, and that is sad as its reducing the number of players in the field and the overall fun for everyone.

mips_winnt

Elder_Soul wrote: »

So, I finally went to Cyrodiil at level 10. Is there a reason to even do this?

Sure there's a reason, it provides easy meat for all the VR toons .. on the bright side you're getting an early start on learning the ins and outs of playing your class in PvP as well as the PvP rewards.

Zershar_Vemod

Well the point at first is to is to just say you have Cyrodiil unlocked; but at said level, you really should be doing content, skyshards, etc. in groups - especially when everything will be VR5 soon (if not already, haven't checked in a bit).

Lucardes

Elder_Soul wrote: »

So, I finally went to Cyrodiil at level 10. Is there a reason to even do this? Got my "unmentionable" handed to me quite often against level 50 players and NPCs. I take it that unlike GW2, your char doesn't "scale up" in PvP. If that is the case, out of curiosity, is there a legitimate reason to do PvP before level 50?

It's a lie, pvp doesn't start till you hit VR. So yeah you can't play the way YOU WANT as it was mentioned before. /unsubbed

rotiferuk

Elder_Soul wrote: »

So, I finally went to Cyrodiil at level 10. Is there a reason to even do this? Got my "unmentionable" handed to me quite often against level 50 players and NPCs. I take it that unlike GW2, your char doesn't "scale up" in PvP. If that is the case, out of curiosity, is there a legitimate reason to do PvP before level 50?

You need to start going to Cyrodiil at Level 10 in order to learn how to survive there. Waiting until Level 50 won't help you with learning what works / does not work. Also, you will miss out on lots of Alliance Points which act as currency in Cyrodiil. Do as others say, stick with groups. Plus, learn how to use sneak properly and put your pet away because they don't sneak. As you level up the experience does get better, you become more confident and get a better understanding of what you are capable of.

Rotherhans

Free skill points and access to relatively easily accessible Skyshards, but only if you were so smart and selected a home campaign that has your faction dominating.
That´s the only thing Cryodil does for you at lvl10.
Oh and new books that actually advance your character, if you´ve already seen all in your current map.

Yeah, we´re pretty much just the cannon fodder in there.

Especially with all the bot leveled maxVets equipped with duped legendary gear.
So even trying to grind through all the Vet levels to finally become some semblance of a threat will most likely mean that you´re still a smear on the wall when you meet "one of those".

devincutlerb14_ESO

I went in at level 10. It is useful for several reasons:

1. Because you run through several training quests that give you skill points, experience, and gold and PVP currency. It is worth it just for that.
2. There are a bunch of quests there. As long as you sneak and approach towns carefully you can do the quests. They pay well.
3. There are skyshards...always good to grab.
4. Yes you may get your head handed to you in PVP but who cares? When you die in PVP you don't lose anything...not even equipment. So it is a good time to learn PVP.

But yeah....you can't really do serious winning PVP unless in a large group or level 50 vet.

Draaconis

Exposure is pretty much it.

Crumpy

devincutlerb14_ESO wrote: »

But yeah....you can't really do serious winning PVP unless in a large group or level 50 vet.

That's really not good enough.

reggielee

it can be fun the first few times when you first go in, find a group and zerg with them and get the thrill of AvA. You'll die alot, may get frustrated having to ride back to the action so much, get ganked on the way and so on... but isnt that all pvp in most games? it can be a thrill to take a keep with a group after a long fight

the problem is when you stay a bit longer, start to see some of the exploiting going on, some bad imbalance issues, empty campaigns and/or one side dominating then it can get depressing and not fun. who knows, stay and practice up and by the time you get to vet rank you will be one of those OP killers making noob life heck

Rotherhans

Actually I´m still hopeful that it´s not that bad.

Watch this..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWkOkmwwxGg
Don´t believe that little squad was totally pimped out, just working nicely together which makes me almost looking forward to grind my way up to maxVet lvls.

trahe

I wrote something that might interest you in the PVP thread...

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/96295/lower-levels-can-be-effective#latest

Crumpy

This game needs the addition of some smaller wzs with say 16 v 16. This AND Cyrodil.

zaria

trahe wrote: »

I wrote something that might interest you in the PVP thread...

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/96295/lower-levels-can-be-effective#latest

This, Your dps with an siege engine is the same as for an VR10 in legendary.

Go as a guild or organized group, this has multiple benefits like better coordination and that people resurrect each other saving you the running.
And its far more fun.

Turial

You probably shouldn't be trying to solo anything in pvp and if you are dying in a large group just remember that it is pvp and you will die. The fact you can go in at level 10 means you can pvp fairly early in the game (if you were told to get to 50 first you would not be happy) and get used to the system, collect extra skyshards and do some quests over there for xp.

KerinKor

SirAndy wrote: »

Huh? You get scaled to a basic level 50 when you enter Cyrodill.

And as others have pointed out, the scaling is brain-dead so the whole proicess is pointless.

If EVERYONE was scaled to the same level then it would be a fair fight but of course the VR10s would scream about it so it'll never happen.

Same as Turbine did with level 10s in Helm's Deep .. you can go there but don't expect to do anything useful .. it's a sales gimmick not a usable mechanic.

rawne1980b16_ESO

Rotherhans wrote: »

Actually I´m still hopeful that it´s not that bad.

Watch this..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWkOkmwwxGg
Don´t believe that little squad was totally pimped out, just working nicely together which makes me almost looking forward to grind my way up to maxVet lvls.

The problem is more and more people are hitting VR 10 and getting geared so those little teams that once wiped whole zergs aren't much use now.

Sure some still work but certain classes like Dragon knights and Sorcs can stand in the middle of those small teams and take no damage whatsoever.

This is what makes me chuckle about people wanting small scale PvP.

Certain classes and builds are so incredibly overpowered right now that anything on a smaller scale will be a joke.

zaria

KerinKor wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Huh? You get scaled to a basic level 50 when you enter Cyrodill.

And as others have pointed out, the scaling is brain-dead so the whole proicess is pointless.

If EVERYONE was scaled to the same level then it would be a fair fight but of course the VR10s would scream about it so it'll never happen.

Same as Turbine did with level 10s in Helm's Deep .. you can go there but don't expect to do anything useful .. it's a sales gimmick not a usable mechanic.

How much difference is it between an level 10 and VR10 after scaling?
Yes an level 10 would have fewer abilities, both active and passive and this will be the main difference.

I see the typical MMO attitude here, everything who is not overpowered is garbage.
Side note, did PvP on saturday and sunday and it was an lack of vampires.

wrlifeboil

Elder_Soul wrote: »

So, I finally went to Cyrodiil at level 10. Is there a reason to even do this? Got my "unmentionable" handed to me quite often against level 50 players and NPCs. I take it that unlike GW2, your char doesn't "scale up" in PvP. If that is the case, out of curiosity, is there a legitimate reason to do PvP before level 50?

At level 10, just stay with the zerg and soak up the free ap.

If you want to explore Cyrodiil as a level 10, get into one of the deserted campaigns, the ones with one bar for every faction during the evenings.

Crumpy

Who wants to only 'zerg'?? Yeah can be fun at times.. but this should not be the only pvp option - for lower levels. It's really crap.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

I gave up PvP after few runs. Until you get VR it is pointless. As non VR player you can even get one shot. Healing is possible way, but still burn your mana pool so fast that it is not that much fun. Looking forward to PvP when I reach VR though.

Trouvo

Hell I am VR6 DK and get my *kitten handed to me by the VR10 sorc vamps too, those min/maxers hurt....but most of pvp isnt VR10 sorc vamps, let alone Sorcs or VR10s there are quite a few, but you only notice them more because they are the ones that so easily wipe the floor with your hide...I do fine even on my lvl 10 templar, and my VR1 NB, its just those VR10 sorc vamps

My favorite thing to do when helping a zerg is to sneak around and burn all the seige equipment, or stalk prey in the quest cities around the map, there is also stalking between where they are running from and the actual zerg fights

drschplatt

You do get buffed to a basic level 50, but not your gear.

I started running with my guild when I was level 10. Only one of our group of about 12 people were even VR1 at the time, but with an organized group, we were able to take some keeps and defend others.

Yes, as a level 10 you won't be very useful in 1v1 but you can still heal, dps, or use siege when you're in a group. If you want to be able to solo stuff, you'll need a few ranks though.

ZurinArctus

Lvl 10 was doable at early access a lot easier than it is now for obvious reasons.

You get an inherit scaled buff in Cyrodiil to help prevent being completely overpowered, but it does not compare to someone with more skill points and higher gear stats. Skill wise, you could still hold your own.