[Nightblade, AOE-DPS, PVE] "Let's do this"-DW-Killer-AOE-Build

InspectorGanja

Many people complain that Nightblades, especially combined with Dual Wield, or not capable for decent AOE.

Using this build you will prove that they are wrong. In addition, you'll have a lot of fun. Either taking out packs of 3-4 Solo in PvE (veteran content) or in Dungeons, this AOE-Build rocks.

Skills - Rotation:

Activate Siphoning Attacks and keep doing Light Attacks when executing the damage rotation. It will grant you additional magica/stam for even more AOE

Volcanic Rune - your initial skill. place the rune before combat starts and try to hit as many targets as possible. The detonation has a decent range, even targets who are not affected in first place will be knocked in the air. Scalding Rune Morph might increase the damage even more, but I prefer the CC from Volcanic Rune. Which will also prevent you from being CCed (DPS loss)

Jump in with Lotus Fan right after placing the Rune. Both effects will kick in at the same and will give a OMG moment every time you use this combo.
- Use Power Extraction while the mobs are still in the air.
- Dump your entire Stamina with Steel Tornado and watch the mobs dying (If you have managed to drain 5 or more targets, you will see 1000+ crits, VR5+)

With a good amount of magica left you can now switch to your single dps bar and finish the leftovers or start the rotation again. Thanks to Siphoning Attacks and a Stamina Potion you are a prepared for a second round.

For the Abillity points i use 24-10-15
5 pieces of medium and 2 pieces of light armour.

Build Link: http://esocalc.com/#1-4b0000000000:1128:1213:119:138:12:150:197-547:128:398:450:400:341:0:0:0:0:0:0

If you have any suggestions, or good idea your self feel free to post below!

Therium104

You realize this will cause all the incompetent NB constantly complaining for buffs and nerfs to other classes to be confused because you used your brain, are not complaining, and finding solutions.

How dare you!!!!

InspectorGanja

Just helping the struggeling souls

ConciseRex

Wait wait wait, is this a post about the NB being effective? What a rare sight I use a pretty similar setup but with dest staff for AOE and DW for single target. Volcanic Ruin is a god send for NB AOE builds! Also what is gear enchants as I think your attributes could be better distributed as I have 49 in health and still reach Magika soft cap (don't use any stamina abilitys) but as your main damage dealer is a stamina ability and only use Magika as an opening sequence you could drop some more into it

Chelo

Someone that actualy use his brain? be careful man, people will burn you like a witch...

Comaetilico

ConciseRex wrote: »

Wait wait wait, is this a post about the NB being effective? What a rare sight I use a pretty similar setup but with dest staff for AOE and DW for single target. Volcanic Ruin is a god send for NB AOE builds! Also what is gear enchants as I think your attributes could be better distributed as I have 49 in health and still reach Magika soft cap (don't use any stamina abilitys) but as your main damage dealer is a stamina ability and only use Magika as an opening sequence you could drop some more into it

rune is the god send skill for every aoe build... and I'd like to say that 90% of those that found too hard to clear veteran content had never used this skill... it really should be nerfed... and I'm saing this as someone that have never removed the skill from his bar since unlocked the morph... I use it as a dps... as a tank... as ana healer... every build I make have a spot left for this skill... i'll propbably slot it even in a single target only build (well maybe not.. but that's probably the only build I will do without it ^^')

not being a magika focuse char is not a problem... the stenght of the skill is not its damage (that still is not something that should be totally ingored since the skill itself have a good coefficent... ) but the 4 sec AoE CC really makes every other skill shine... since spamming AoE when you don't have to worry about getting hit in the meanwhile or getting to much aggro and being oneshotted... really is heaven on earth!!!!


PS: once again this is the demostation that most people that find one class subpar to other is because they see their calss skill alone... but actualy most of the player that have little to no problem in veteran content hardly use more than one or class skill while their main CC, damage and survival skill comes from guild/weapon abilities ^^'

ConciseRex

Comaetilico wrote: »

rune is the god send skill for every aoe build... and I'd like to say that 90% of those that found too hard to clear veteran content had never used this skill... it really should be nerfed... and I'm saing this as someone that have never removed the skill from his bar since unlocked the morph... I use it as a dps... as a tank... as ana healer... every build I make have a spot left for this skill... i'll propbably slot it even in a single target only build (well maybe not.. but that's probably the only build I will do without it ^^')

not being a magika focuse char is not a problem... the stenght of the skill is not its damage (that still is not something that should be totally ingored since the skill itself have a good coefficent... ) but the 4 sec AoE CC really makes every other skill shine... since spamming AoE when you don't have to worry about getting hit in the meanwhile or getting to much aggro and being oneshotted... really is heaven on earth!!!!


PS: once again this is the demostation that most people that find one class subpar to other is because they see their calss skill alone... but actualy most of the player that have little to no problem in veteran content hardly use more than one or class skill while their main CC, damage and survival skill comes from guild/weapon abilities ^^'

Yeah I never even started using it till I hit VR (Leveling fire rune was a pain tho) then seen a guy drop it in a dungeon and was like man sorcerer skills rock until he told me it was mages guild haha.

What I was meaning was the Attribute points you dropped into magika could be moved to stamina and then gear for stamina also as your magika abilitys are for CC rather than dmg and this would increase Steel Tornados dmg and allow more uses before exhausting stamina. With a stamina heavy build could even throw a bow on your second bar for boss kiting etc.

e.gamemarkb14_ESO

Something to consider though, is not everyone may want to go looking for all the lore books which is required to unlock the fire rune. While I see this as a great solution to many situations, I would also like to see other potential setups that are equally effective without using any guild abilities.

Not slamming the setup by any means, just looking at the other side of the coin, as players should never be forced to join or build rep with any guild. What if a player has a personal issue with the mage's guild (x,y,z reasons, it doesn't really matter why).

The gist of this, is that players should not be "force into" having a specific build to be effective. There should always be multiple ways to achieve similar results. I believe this is where many of the NB players are coming from as they want "choices" instead feeling they are forced into a singular cookie cutter skill requirement.

Good post though, I would encourage anyone to come up with more viable setups

BulbousMeathead

Thank you OP - that is the most useful post I have seen on this forum so far. I think ppl (myself included) tend to put too much emphasis on class skills and overlook the other skill lines. Thanks for putting me onto Volcanic rune - it's amazing ... A lot of fun, too :-)

Lustboy90

How much Stamina/Magicka and HP do you guys run?

ConciseRex

Lustboy90 wrote: »

How much Stamina/Magicka and HP do you guys run?

I run 49 points into health giving me around 2K health in Light Armour and enchant for magika with The Mage stone giving me about 1.9K magika which is softcap,

Lustboy90

so u focused more HP/Magicka > Stamina, so is the base stamina enough for this build?

edit: ah i see, u was the one without using stamina ;D

ConciseRex

Lustboy90 wrote: »

so u focused more HP/Magicka > Stamina, so is the base stamina enough for this build?

edit: ah i see, u was the one without using stamina ;D

You would have to ask the OP how he prefers it but for his build I would go for about 30 health and 19 Stam with all gear enchanted for Stam and Stamina Mundus stone, as magika as mainly for CC and Buff and Stamina for dmg.

Lustboy90

Thx :>

Can u also post your build? Seems also effective with destrostaff and dw.

Would be nice

ConciseRex

Lustboy90 wrote: »

Thx :>

Can u also post your build? Seems also effective with destrostaff and dw.

Would be nice

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/95814/nightblade-solo-vr-content#latest

Thats my Build, I only use the DW for 1-2 mobs and tend to use Des Staff any higher or group stuff

Lustboy90

Thank u very much

ConciseRex

Any questions just comment on the discussion

Chirru

OP
You of course realize that Volcanic Ruin is a Mage-guild skill and not an NB skill. The NB class itself without being a Vampire (or using other skills from Fighters or Mage-guild) can not even pull a dead Herring from a wet plate.
Just saying....

All successful builds I have seen are Magicka builds with Vampire and Guild skills. I have as yet to see a successful Veteran build with only the skills that are available to the Nightblade as a class.
Just saying....

Crescent

Chirru wrote: »

OP
You of course realize that Volcanic Ruin is a Mage-guild skill and not an NB skill. The NB class itself without being a Vampire (or using other skills from Fighters or Mage-guild) can not even pull a dead Herring from a wet plate.
Just saying....

All successful builds I have seen are Magicka builds with Vampire and Guild skills. I have as yet to see a successful Veteran build with only the skills that are available to the Nightblade as a class.
Just saying....

That goes for sorcerer as well. Destro staff is not a class specific skill.

Your crappy class AoE does not make you a special unique snowflake. A melee sorcerer with DW only has Lightning Flood as a class skill AoE and that skill is even more terrible than what the NB has.

And unlike NB with veiled strike, the DW sorcerer has no spammable class skill that he can use as a melee playstyle since crystal shards is a cast time and velocious curse is a 3 second delayed magicka skill that can't be spammed.

bg22

Nice build.

Just wanted to say to all the posters saying "omg you mean using a little thought process and creativeness and you came up w/ a good NB build!?!".

Yea, the only bad thing is you can do this with nearly random skills on your DK or Sorc. That's the problem.

ConciseRex

Chirru wrote: »

OP
You of course realize that Volcanic Ruin is a Mage-guild skill and not an NB skill. The NB class itself without being a Vampire (or using other skills from Fighters or Mage-guild) can not even pull a dead Herring from a wet plate.
Just saying....

All successful builds I have seen are Magicka builds with Vampire and Guild skills. I have as yet to see a successful Veteran build with only the skills that are available to the Nightblade as a class.
Just saying....

I have a successful build (It is magika based granted) and it does not use Vampire or Guild skills and I have managed to solo all the way to VR5 without any issues.

LIQUID741

Very viable build...specially for those that want to stay DW. And not have to have a specific weapon type to be viable. This build could work with going 5light/2med. You could switch your Ult. to Veil of Blades for the added dps and dps loss from Stam usage on Steel Tornado.

Going 5light could benefit in the magika regen area...love the build, might have to try it...

InspectorGanja

e.gamemarkb14_ESO wrote: »

Not slamming the setup by any means, just looking at the other side of the coin, as players should never be forced to join or build rep with any guild. What if a player has a personal issue with the mage's guild (x,y,z reasons, it doesn't really matter why).

Then he/she should really reconsider why not to put points into it Uber lolz OMG WTF just happend time when you see a group of monsters hit the roof and drop back dead to the ground. (Aswell as in pvp its uberlolz to ambush a gate with it.)

chrisub17_ESO104

Chirru wrote: »

OP
You of course realize that Volcanic Ruin is a Mage-guild skill and not an NB skill. The NB class itself without being a Vampire (or using other skills from Fighters or Mage-guild) can not even pull a dead Herring from a wet plate.
Just saying....

All successful builds I have seen are Magicka builds with Vampire and Guild skills. I have as yet to see a successful Veteran build with only the skills that are available to the Nightblade as a class.
Just saying....

The game was not designed to be played with class skills alone. They completely separated weapon from class, and they used guilds as a way of adding yet more skill lines, again not tied to class.

Why this concept is so hard for some to grasp, is beyond me. Especially when this whole design was a huge selling point of the game.

InspectorGanja

LIQUID741 wrote: »

Very viable build...specially for those that want to stay DW. And not have to have a specific weapon type to be viable. This build could work with going 5light/2med. You could switch your Ult. to Veil of Blades for the added dps and dps loss from Stam usage on Steel Tornado.

Going 5light could benefit in the magika regen area...love the build, might have to try it...

I prefer going 5 Med/2light, this is purely for the passives Veil of blades is a single target DPS i dont recommend useing it if you are fighting a group of mobs.

Zerl

Seems like a very similar build that I am looking at putting into practice:

http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#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

I'm going to ST (w/ duel daggers) on bar #1, and AoE (w/ dual swords) on bar #2.

I'm trying to work out the soft/ hard caps in order to calculate what is required for the gear enchants (if anyone knows this that would be great).

kitsinni

I do something pretty similar for AE with DW. I felt that Lotus Fan was a little underwhelming. As a vampire I switched it out with drain essence. So you can start with a volcanic rune or two to start, then do your rotation with hitting light attacks betweeen the whirlwind. When out of resources turn to one of the mobs and drain essence which will usually give you enough stamina to finish off the pack. The whirlwind is going to be a lot stronger at the end of the fight than the beginning anyway.

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO

I don't see how running off class spells is actualy an acceptable solution when DK and Sorc get to do neither.

As they say... run the vet game the way its the most optimal not the way you wanted to play your class (good grief). If it comes to the point you no longuer recognise the character you play as your own its time you play something else. I ran this character from lvl 1 to vet 4 with siphon and I will keep running it with siphon and at best dark shade when they make it stronger so it can truly dps (getting readied for the patch in advance)

InspectorGanja

Switched my Ability points from 24-10-15 to 0-49-0

GreasedLizard

kitsinni wrote: »

I do something pretty similar for AE with DW. I felt that Lotus Fan was a little underwhelming. As a vampire I switched it out with drain essence. So you can start with a volcanic rune or two to start, then do your rotation with hitting light attacks betweeen the whirlwind. When out of resources turn to one of the mobs and drain essence which will usually give you enough stamina to finish off the pack. The whirlwind is going to be a lot stronger at the end of the fight than the beginning anyway.

I felt the same way (love Ambush for extra single target burn) .. although:

1. Veiled always out performs Teleport Strike unless used as a gap closer
2. The Lotus Fan snare I hear buffs Whirling Steel even more via Ruffian passive
3. Points for not starting with WW. You have weapon swap, so why not Rune, Power Extraction, Impulse then pop to DW ? Spread the love around for resources and not take a ~24% damage hit for Siphoning Strikes

PE will make Impulse way stronger. You will break the wep damage softcap, which no other class is going to do (unless uber geared vr10 perhaps)

While starting out in staff, you can always Swallow Soul to get sweet regen ticks, heck may as well pop Inner Light IV for 20% crit on magic bar. Think that's 5 now

Many abuse the quick generating AE ultimate for NB as well for builds like this. (or eventually Flawless Dawnbreaker to mitigate the Siphoning DW bar.)

nez

Igntis_Delian wrote: »

Many people complain that Nightblades, especially combined with Dual Wield, or not capable for decent AOE.

Using this build you will prove that they are wrong. In addition, you'll have a lot of fun. Either taking out packs of 3-4 Solo in PvE (veteran content) or in Dungeons, this AOE-Build rocks.

Skills - Rotation:

Activate Siphoning Attacks and keep doing Light Attacks when executing the damage rotation. It will grant you additional magica/stam for even more AOE

Volcanic Rune - your initial skill. place the rune before combat starts and try to hit as many targets as possible. The detonation has a decent range, even targets who are not affected in first place will be knocked in the air. Scalding Rune Morph might increase the damage even more, but I prefer the CC from Volcanic Rune. Which will also prevent you from being CCed (DPS loss)

Jump in with Lotus Fan right after placing the Rune. Both effects will kick in at the same and will give a OMG moment every time you use this combo.
- Use Power Extraction while the mobs are still in the air.
- Dump your entire Stamina with Steel Tornado and watch the mobs dying (If you have managed to drain 5 or more targets, you will see 1000+ crits, VR5+)

With a good amount of magica left you can now switch to your single dps bar and finish the leftovers or start the rotation again. Thanks to Siphoning Attacks and a Stamina Potion you are a prepared for a second round.

For the Abillity points i use 24-10-15
5 pieces of medium and 2 pieces of light armour.

Build Link: http://esocalc.com/#1-4b0000000000:1128:1213:119:138:12:150:197-547:128:398:450:400:341:0:0:0:0:0:0

If you have any suggestions, or good idea your self feel free to post below!

That man talks some sense about NB here! Heretics!!111