Its Official...Im getting old

frwinters_ESO

The impatience of people astounds me. All the forums are is complaints and off the wall suggestions. Calm down! Give the company a chance to breathe! Thanks!

nicholaspingasb16_ESO

If a company releases a broken product that is also riddled with imbalances and other issues, the people who bought it have a right to complain and offer criticism.

crusabella

People really need to learn what CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is then. Because most of the trash here is just bashing.

Draconiuos

nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »

If a company releases a broken product that is also riddled with imbalances and other issues, the people who bought it have a right to complain and offer criticism.

I am with the OP. I can remember a day when you couldn't even patch games at all. If a game was broke you had to either deal with it or not play it. Most places wouldn't do returns on software/ video games period. So, the fact that no game in the history of game has released perfect is just something to think about. Yes, should we voice our concerns sure, but we don't need 20 thread from 4 different people saying the same thing. It astounds me how many times some one will remake a thread if they dislike the fact people aren't agreeing with them the first time, or to make an issue look worse than it is.

nicholaspingasb16_ESO

crusabella wrote: »

People really need to learn what CONSTRICTIVE criticism is then. Because most of the trash here is just bashing.

Do you mean "constructive"? Also, I agree. however, people have every right to be angry about buying an unfinished, broken product from a multi-billion dollar corporation (as well as a group of veteran DAOC devs). Whether the criticisms are constructive and offer solutions or not, it doesn't matter. People have a right to be mad.

crusabella

Yes I did dam auto text on my phone. I'm not disagreeing with you abut them being mad but there is a helpful and worthless way to express opinions and concerns.

nicholaspingasb16_ESO

crusabella wrote: »

Yes I did dam auto text on my phone. I'm not disagreeing with you abut them being mad but there is a helpful and worthless way to express opinions and concerns.

True.

Elsonso

The issue that I have been seeing more and more lately is one of misplaced entitlement. For some reason, people pay for something and they suddenly start acting like they just purchased the whole company.

Draconiuos

lordrichter wrote: »

The issue that I have been seeing more and more lately is one of misplaced entitlement. For some reason, people pay for something and they suddenly start acting like they just purchased the whole company.

I agree with this. This seems to be a lot of what is posted. The fact people are demanding certain changes that were never even hinted at being part of the game. Just look at all the threads demanding arenas and now special gear to go with these arenas.

Cogo

Agree wholeheartly with the OP.

Calm down and try to figure out how to get your point across.

DEVS do read these forums and I BET even have en eye on every single post. Since there have been several post answered and/or locked, or warned about their behaviour. Do you think DEVS are jedi knights who senses what thread to go to? :-p

Also, beeing in this Online RP gaming for over 20 years, it never fails to amaze me about 1 single fact about "some people", or maybe it's just human behaviour but it IS odd.

Whining, negative, accusing, Do X otherwise I quit!
Most of these people, even when they write a big post about what is wrong and sometimes even gives suggestions about how to fix it......the ending of pretty much every damn post like it is: "Anyway, your game sucks, I am leaving! Bye!"

I have seen simular behaviour among guilds I have been in. The complainers mostly leaves, but before they do, they stir up drama and just remove themselves.

I WANT to hear all kinds of views here, but there are WAY to many negative post that seams to just been done for what....bloff off steam? Being angry bob behind a keyboard? Wants to make drama and put themselves in the middle?

Hadria

What do you expect when you're dealing with these kinds of people! They want it all now now now...just look at the threads" 50 now what do I do so bored game sucks"

I've got 9 days played on my main guy which is only 37 right now. I've paid for 90 days already so I'm here for the long haul.

Lynnessa

I also agree with the OP. Unfortunately, "gamers" comprise a culture that is, as a whole, shamefully selfish (exhibited by a sense of extreme self-entitlement, and by taking privilege for granted).

Corithna

Yeah, it's a natural phenomenon that when you divorce consequence from action, I.E. post horrible things you'd never get away with in real life, people feel emboldened in a way that has a way of bringing out the worst in them.

As we travel through life we invariably experience conflicts and injuries and basically just have those times when we loose. When these times hold enough emotional impact our subconscious mind then tries to turn similar situations into a winning situation in some way. Usually by emulating the actions of the person or people who it perceives to have won that encounter. Well given the consequences to the 'victims' of such encounters it's easy to see why such behavior tends to replicate itself. It is part of our animal nature, and a tendency that can only be overcome by each person individually. So naturally, when dealing with a video game, a forum typically embraced by the young, you find many individuals who as of yet lack sufficient sophistication to both recognize this trend in themselves and counter it through concerted efforts.

In a way it becomes a game onto itself to see how much injury, or effect they can cause in this otherwise safe forum. And as most of us who would tend to read this type of thread realize. Being causative is one of the highest forms of motivation in any individual. Far too often, in real life, these individuals are left to feel powerless to effect any form of meaningful change in their own lives. And they therefore reach into this kind of setting to fulfill this segment of their lives that are in many cases lacking.

Mailmann

nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »

If a company releases a broken product that is also riddled with imbalances and other issues, the people who bought it have a right to complain and offer criticism.

Developers and publishers determine how "broken" their product is by how profitable their product is, not by the number of complaint threads on the forums. Zenimax will know how bad it really is by the end of this month when the majority of people's free month will definitely be up. I imagine in June we will see some changes, but we wont know what those changes are until we get there.

Cogo

Hadria wrote: »

What do you expect when you're dealing with these kinds of people! They want it all now now now...just look at the threads" 50 now what do I do so bored game sucks"

I've got 9 days played on my main guy which is only 37 right now. I've paid for 90 days already so I'm here for the long haul.

@Hadria

Same here! I started the minute the game opened on the sunday with the early access. I play 1 main char and have no alts. I am lvl 31. I had a 3 month sub, but changed it to 6 months!

Those who are lvl 50 already seams to have the same story....they GRINDED. Killing boss/mobs over and over, for their exp. When I ask like what they thought about the dark elf that wanted to buy your soul, or the Village of enslaved Kajits...they have no clue what I am talking about and probebly isnt interested in anything else then raiding (thats fine...I am a hardcore raider myself)

Sure, I am not level 50 like them, but I have seen muuuuch more in the game then they have, and the more things I find, like a wierd letter (not belonging to any quest or helpful in any way, the more I have yet to discover.

I think this will solve itself. People who only wants to grind to highest level, get the best loot (First time of every boss of course...why should you have to kill several bosses before you get an item?!?!! Sigh..lazy gits), these people will either try to explore a bit (Kinda the CORE of ESO....not sure why so few "Elite" players only explore to get the exp), or those people will leave. Cya!

Grinding exp is one of the most boring activity I can think of in any game.

I like fishing! Got really surprised when I fished up a recepie lol. Thought you only got trophy fishes....whatever they are used for :-)

I do dungens and instances of course. But I spend time on getting "the right" group together other just asking public or use the dungeon tool. Its a good tool but if WoW teached me anything is that if you wanted to meet lazy 4rse, greedy, dont give a damn people, Sigh up on a group finder or LFR!

I have fun pretty much all the the time when I play, and its never the same day.
Oh, and our guild is working really well, so that's something we work on too...doesn't make you level 50 in a few hours, but you get people you can play with......whatever your interest is for the day!

You sound like a true ESO player. Enjoy the game. Dont WORK in the game (Grinding).

Having said that, I also like to level, but I want to get set in my level and get better at my role. Both in group and solo. ESO allows me to learn my build, what to go for etc. I LEARN IT....not someones "guide".

Check our webpage if yer keen what our guild is like.

Cogo

Mailmann wrote: »

nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »

If a company releases a broken product that is also riddled with imbalances and other issues, the people who bought it have a right to complain and offer criticism.

Developers and publishers determine how "broken" their product is by how profitable their product is, not by the number of complaint threads on the forums. Zenimax will know how bad it really is by the end of this month when the majority of people's free month will definitely be up. I imagine in June we will see some changes, but we wont know what those changes are until we get there.

You might be right about Zenimax have to do something drastic if they playerbase lowers alot, yes. But so far, the only people I have seen leaving are those who complained from day one. If someone quits the game for exemple the vampires are not idioticly overpowered and get FIXED (not nerfed), then those players would not be in ESO anyway. Also most WoW players who wanted to play a new wow game cause right now WoW is boring, are gone....good riddens!

I have made several of my friends to test this game and they all love it. Even a few WoW friends I know was looking for a challenge instead of the WoW boring "addons plays for you". They are here and are mid level.

I would dare to call ESO a POSSIBLE New "Everquest". Long term, open environment, where you level is ONE of the many goals you can have in the game. AND guess what....ESO have made it so its fun to play at all levels. HELL, they even got 3 different areas if you want to see new things AND, if you are so bored at level 50, you can go to the lands of your opposing alliances an do ALL the quests there! Even do the dungeons.

So this boring thing when you hit highest lvl by doing a job (grinding) and cant lift your head up a little to see if there is anything else you can do in Tamriel.

ESO is a game that's been needed for years, but no one really been able to make a game like this.

On my long journey and story up to the champions of Tamriel (Level 50 vets), I fully intend to do every dungeon, raid, explore. But why not do that right now as well?

Hadria

Cogo wrote: »

Hadria wrote: »

What do you expect when you're dealing with these kinds of people! They want it all now now now...just look at the threads" 50 now what do I do so bored game sucks"

I've got 9 days played on my main guy which is only 37 right now. I've paid for 90 days already so I'm here for the long haul.

@Hadria

Same here! I started the minute the game opened on the sunday with the early access. I play 1 main char and have no alts. I am lvl 31. I had a 3 month sub, but changed it to 6 months!

Those who are lvl 50 already seams to have the same story....they GRINDED. Killing boss/mobs over and over, for their exp. When I ask like what they thought about the dark elf that wanted to buy your soul, or the Village of enslaved Kajits...they have no clue what I am talking about and probebly isnt interested in anything else then raiding (thats fine...I am a hardcore raider myself)

Sure, I am not level 50 like them, but I have seen muuuuch more in the game then they have, and the more things I find, like a wierd letter (not belonging to any quest or helpful in any way, the more I have yet to discover.

I think this will solve itself. People who only wants to grind to highest level, get the best loot (First time of every boss of course...why should you have to kill several bosses before you get an item?!?!! Sigh..lazy gits), these people will either try to explore a bit (Kinda the CORE of ESO....not sure why so few "Elite" players only explore to get the exp), or those people will leave. Cya!

Grinding exp is one of the most boring activity I can think of in any game.

I like fishing! Got really surprised when I fished up a recepie lol. Thought you only got trophy fishes....whatever they are used for :-)

I do dungens and instances of course. But I spend time on getting "the right" group together other just asking public or use the dungeon tool. Its a good tool but if WoW teached me anything is that if you wanted to meet lazy 4rse, greedy, dont give a damn people, Sigh up on a group finder or LFR!

I have fun pretty much all the the time when I play, and its never the same day.
Oh, and our guild is working really well, so that's something we work on too...doesn't make you level 50 in a few hours, but you get people you can play with......whatever your interest is for the day!

You sound like a true ESO player. Enjoy the game. Dont WORK in the game (Grinding).

Having said that, I also like to level, but I want to get set in my level and get better at my role. Both in group and solo. ESO allows me to learn my build, what to go for etc. I LEARN IT....not someones "guide".

Check our webpage if yer keen what our guild is like.

Here's what I love

I just started a new area and while I was doing some quests I ran into this vampire guy farming some mobs. I ended up joining him for a bit where then a few more people joined us and we spent a good time farming these mobs. After we finished I ended up with a few lvls and lots of weapons n armour for decon.

I think the best thing was that the guy turned me into a vamp:) which I was really excited to get.

Cogo

Voila...a "feature" you dont see other games....a lot. Meeting new people who are friendly. I don't know why, but ESO at lvl 20+ seams to have quite a lot of decent, cool, nice players.

Check the patch 1.1 for your vampire skills though.....

Pendrillion

Things will even out when the time comes and the game isn't all the rage anymore. Or most of the consumerist players have lost interest and went playing Wildstar or something else.

I am in the internet long enough to sit back and enjoy my kind of game. Even meet some nice people eventually. I have run into a lot of good folks in all maps. I have some hopes for this Community. Just don't get yourself spat into the face by all the nay sayers.

I hope you guys enjoy your playtime as well

Three Blessings!

LadyLothi

Finally I thread in this forum that doesn't make me think this game is populated by haters, grinders and elitists.

I have played since the beginning and am lvl 34 and 20 on an alt (wanted to see what tanking was all about) and still immensely enjoying what the game has to offer.
Found myself wandering around Windhelm yesterday, trying to discover what the city had looked like hundreds of years before "I" lived there in my beloved Hjerim. I didn't do quests I didn't even talk to anyone, just walked around and looked.

Marika

i agree with all those who said good things about the game, i love to explore, i always end up in a different area from where i have the quests because i always want to see what is hiding behind that wall, inside the caves or just run around gathering stuff. Instead of complaining why don't we only once write what we liked about what the devs did, why don't we show why we love the game or what impressed us ? it's not hard! because if people complain and complain again and again, do people think that devs will work harder? Might have the opposite effect . I don't think we are happy when someone complains about our work in real life , but when someone says a good thing we always work harder and try to improve ourselves .

Uviryth

Hadria wrote: »

I've got 9 days played on my main guy which is only 37 right now. I've paid for 90 days already so I'm here for the long haul.

well, thats really slow. And I dont mean normal slow, I mean like glacial.

I read every book, listened to every quest, skilled Alchemy and Blacksmithing to 50 and attended the occasional drinkingsession with my guild and it took me 6 days to get to 50. I seriously cant imagine how anyone could play any slower.

Sharee

Uviryth wrote: »

Hadria wrote: »

I've got 9 days played on my main guy which is only 37 right now. I've paid for 90 days already so I'm here for the long haul.

well, thats really slow. And I dont mean normal slow, I mean like glacial.

I read every book, listened to every quest, skilled Alchemy and Blacksmithing to 50 and attended the occasional drinkingsession with my guild and it took me 6 days to get to 50. I seriously cant imagine how anyone could play any slower.

8 days and 5 hours /played on my main, level 44. I often spend time in the game without trying to level. For example spending a whole play session just exploring a new area without taking any quests, just hunting for lorebooks/chests/sights. Sometimes even fishing.

Woolenthreads

Yeah. I'm an explorer too. I know that there's some locations in Rivenspire you can get to where there's no grass but the ground is green leading me to think that the dev's missed it . I really ought to switch to one of the AD characters I built because I haven't explored it much, EP is too much fun to run around. I read the whining and either shrug or snicker.

frwinters_ESO

Uviryth wrote: »

Hadria wrote: »

I've got 9 days played on my main guy which is only 37 right now. I've paid for 90 days already so I'm here for the long haul.

well, thats really slow. And I dont mean normal slow, I mean like glacial.

I read every book, listened to every quest, skilled Alchemy and Blacksmithing to 50 and attended the occasional drinkingsession with my guild and it took me 6 days to get to 50. I seriously cant imagine how anyone could play any slower.

I was on early access and im only 43. Going by the math im worse. I do nto spend 8 hours a day on a computer. Im lucky to get 10 hours a week.

Caremeter

I'll never understand why gaming communities assume that the game will be perfect at launch. That hasn't happened ever, and it never will. Even CONSOLE games are broken at launch from time to time. This game is far from broken, but its in its infancy at the moment. Launch WoW was broken as *** as well with severe server down time. People forget or weren't privy to these times. Relax and go outside, or do some more research on your class(s).

Cogo

@Uviryth

As someone stated. Finaly the posts starts to be real discussions and not just some whiner who would whine at whatever.

Also leveling slow? Lvl 50 in 5 days is just silly. To do that you much have played days and night. Used every addon avaible to as fast as possible got what you need.

Don't you think you miss something if you level to max level in a game where your story starts at level 1, and all the way up to max level....IS more or less half the game. Of course, I want to be level 50 too and will soon.

I played since early access and I am Lvl 31, guildleader over a very nice guild that can even have guildbank access open to all members.

I guess I spend way little time in Exping, then again I do in all the other 10 things you can do in the game.

Also, reaching highest level that fast, I cant see how any person would learned so much about battles, grouping, dungeons etc, that they are "good enough".

At least me, I need time to practice my skills....my real skills, how to work as a team. How to cooperate and figure out different tactics for bosses etc.
I also need to understand the skillpoints and where I want to use them. I couldnt do that with ALL skills in 5 days!

I dont have a single addon, and the game works exellent for me.

I get happy as hell when I find a skyshard....can go for hours hunting for em, lol. And NO, I will not use an addon to find the skyshards for me......its part of the fun to do that yourself!

Anyway. GREAT game. Love it, even with bugs. I am very impressed what ESO have coming in patch 1.1. Glad I subscribed for 6 months

Gulvar

I'm more concerned about the behavior in-game and less concerned about criticism on the forums. ESO is easily the worst community I've ever experienced in a MMO. I've had /zone turned off probably 90% of the time and that 10% had more vulgar, racist, and completely asinine behavior than I encounter in five years of a game like EQ.

frwinters_ESO

Leveling to fast is what brings the hate. It was obvious ESO didnt have solid end game content ready at launch. Leveling in this game even felt like it was much slower then most other mmo's out there, and I was happy about that. when i started to see people leveling in 5 days or less...i was like do these people do anything else but play video games? I wish!

svartorn

Kids these days are impatient and angry. Shallow lives.

Apophiss

Sharee wrote: »

8 days and 5 hours /played on my main, level 44. I often spend time in the game without trying to level. For example spending a whole play session just exploring a new area without taking any quests, just hunting for lorebooks/chests/sights. Sometimes even fishing.

I have had many play sessions like this.

I have lost count of how many places that I have found just wandering, collecting resources and exploring, where I have thought to myself, "I want a cabin right HERE".

It is not the destination, it is the journey.