Night Blade's Real Issue

Draaconis

The problem is not with "mechanics", "lag", "glitches", "bugs", or anything else people are whining about. My Nightblade solos perfectly fine. I was level 30 before I went down the first time. No. The issue is people want the one shot wonder rogue. Well, guess what, this is Tamriel and that guy doesn't live here. You have a magicka skill line. All of the classes have a magicka skill line. Get over it. You can setup your bar to bounce back and forth between magicka and stamina so you can last longer in combat. What exactly is the issue there? If a skill is bugged or broken, it's bugged or broken for everyone and I don't have any issues. The only lag I've gotten was on the server side and once when a tree limb fell on my fibre cable. Neither had to do with the game.

Xnemesis

most complaints I have heard are a lack of AoE abilities, stealth/invis breaking when it isn't supposed too, ability animations going off but the ability itself doesn't, bonuses that aren't being applied, broken passives, broken abilities, st dps is low for a class that is supposed to have top notch st dps, having to use a staff for max dps, having to take 30 secs plus to kill three mobs whil other classes can pop a cd and spam aoe them down in 5-6 seconds, and having to be magical based..... this isn't just one player upset it is a bunch that are upset and more are chiming in as they reach veteran ranks. We could just sneak past everything but who wants to do that? if you haven't reached vet ranks yet, idk you may have, but be prepared. It is not a fun experience for nightblades. Also gl finding a group that will take you into a vet dungeon with your sub par single target dps. People don't want a one shot rouge they want a competitive class that lives up to the name of nightblade. The only thing special about us atm is our class name. /rantoff drops the mic

Shimond

The valid complaints I hear about the class aren't the standard overall "sucks" ones, but rather the specifics where abilities do not do what they say they do. There seems to be an above average amount of those with that class, compared to the others.

PBpsy

Draaconis wrote: »

The problem is not with "mechanics", "lag", "glitches", "bugs", or anything else people are whining about. My Nightblade solos perfectly fine. I was level 30 before I went down the first time. No. The issue is people want the one shot wonder rogue. Well, guess what, this is Tamriel and that guy doesn't live here. You have a magicka skill line. All of the classes have a magicka skill line. Get over it. You can setup your bar to bounce back and forth between magicka and stamina so you can last longer in combat. What exactly is the issue there? If a skill is bugged or broken, it's bugged or broken for everyone and I don't have any issues. The only lag I've gotten was on the server side and once when a tree limb fell on my fibre cable. Neither had to do with the game.

But the NB can work as a ''one shot wander rogue'' sometimes. even in VR. ~1600-1800 crit damage is no joke .

Kiash

PBpsy wrote: »

Draaconis wrote: »

The problem is not with "mechanics", "lag", "glitches", "bugs", or anything else people are whining about. My Nightblade solos perfectly fine. I was level 30 before I went down the first time. No. The issue is people want the one shot wonder rogue. Well, guess what, this is Tamriel and that guy doesn't live here. You have a magicka skill line. All of the classes have a magicka skill line. Get over it. You can setup your bar to bounce back and forth between magicka and stamina so you can last longer in combat. What exactly is the issue there? If a skill is bugged or broken, it's bugged or broken for everyone and I don't have any issues. The only lag I've gotten was on the server side and once when a tree limb fell on my fibre cable. Neither had to do with the game.

But the NB can work as a ''one shot wander rogue'' sometimes. even in VR. ~1600-1800 crit damage is no joke .

This is something I think few people understand honestly. Even with the bugs, NB is one of the best, if not the best, in 1v1 combat and small man skirmishes. It's going to hurt a lot more once the skill bugs are addressed too

Azzuria

Love my NB.

My guess would be that some of the whiners want a WoW-style 'I WIN' button and the most Rogue-like class doesn't have that so ... queue the waterworks.

methjester

Azzuria wrote: »

Love my NB.

My guess would be that some of the whiners want a WoW-style 'I WIN' button and the most Rogue-like class doesn't have that so ... queue the waterworks.

Had to bring wow into it... It would just be nice if the class abilities worked as intended.

mstout7419b14_ESO

V4 nb and my only complaint is passives not working properly or completely not applied after death, being forced to relog to have some passives reapplied, as well several abilties not doing what their description says, like leaching strikes says it applies to health but does not do anything for health

rawne1980b16_ESO

Draaconis wrote: »

The issue is people want the one shot wonder rogue. Well, guess what, this is Tamriel and that guy doesn't live here.

Veiled Strike says hi.

My level 32 Night Blade one shots quite well from stealth.

Chirru

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Draaconis wrote: »

The issue is people want the one shot wonder rogue. Well, guess what, this is Tamriel and that guy doesn't live here.

Veiled Strike says hi.

My level 32 Night Blade one shots quite well from stealth.

With a Melee weapon.... whom are you kidding friend. Yes, on an NPC several levels lower that might just work if you get lucky...but on a same level NPC... come on, stop spreading tales.

rawne1980b16_ESO

Chirru wrote: »

With a Melee weapon....

No...... with veiled strike.

It's a shadow talent, you can use it regardless of the weapon you have equipped.

Opening hit from stealth with crit bonus.

PBpsy

mstout7419b14_ESO wrote: »

V4 nb and my only complaint is passives not working properly or completely not applied after death, being forced to relog to have some passives reapplied, as well several abilties not doing what their description says, like leaching strikes says it applies to health but does not do anything for health

Leaching strikes does leach health form normal and heavy attacks it does not proc for 15% which is normal since the description states that the 10% proc only applys to magicka and stamina. The ability is however bugged since it only leaches about 2% health per hit instead of 4%

Brittany_Joy

Soul harvest does over 3k damage if your ultimate is above 900, can do more if you crit.

mstout7419b14_ESO

PBpsy wrote: »

mstout7419b14_ESO wrote: »

V4 nb and my only complaint is passives not working properly or completely not applied after death, being forced to relog to have some passives reapplied, as well several abilties not doing what their description says, like leaching strikes says it applies to health but does not do anything for health

Leaching strikes does leach health form normal and heavy attacks it does not proc for 15% which is normal since the description states that the 10% proc only applys to magicka and stamina. The ability is however bugged since it only leaches about 2% health per hit instead of 4%

If youre getting 2% for health you are getting more than alot of us, coz me and many others are not getting anything in health back. There are even vids of this issue

PBpsy

Chirru wrote: »

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Draaconis wrote: »

The issue is people want the one shot wonder rogue. Well, guess what, this is Tamriel and that guy doesn't live here.

Veiled Strike says hi.

My level 32 Night Blade one shots quite well from stealth.

With a Melee weapon.... whom are you kidding friend. Yes, on an NPC several levels lower that might just work if you get lucky...but on a same level NPC... come on, stop spreading tales.

Veiled Strike morphed to Surprise attack fully leveled with capped magicka and and the shadow mundus is able to take out some low armor mob from stealth in just one shot at VR6.This is of course for the first target in a group if you do it right.Most of the time you need a heavy attack and a killer's blade to finish the target though. It works great if you target the mage or healer first since they die fast and they are the most dangerous. My opening with surprise attack crits for >1600damage.

This is of course pretty hard to pull of on a player but in pve it's great.

So no it is no tall tale.

mstout7419b14_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

mstout7419b14_ESO wrote: »

V4 nb and my only complaint is passives not working properly or completely not applied after death, being forced to relog to have some passives reapplied, as well several abilties not doing what their description says, like leaching strikes says it applies to health but does not do anything for health

Leaching strikes does leach health form normal and heavy attacks it does not proc for 15% which is normal since the description states that the 10% proc only applys to magicka and stamina. The ability is however bugged since it only leaches about 2% health per hit instead of 4%

If youre getting 2% for health you are getting more than alot of us, coz me and many others are not getting anything in health back. There are even vids of this issue

This is weird might be due some other factor that bugs it. Are you vampire or use something unusual.. I certainly get 2% on weapon attacks. I think that 2% is useful enough to always keep that skill on my tab. I would love to have it at 4% though.

gunsofdeschain

did you guys say you are level 32??

/facepalm

If you are going to review your experience with a class, do not do it until you are V2. Please, just don't.

PBpsy

gunsofdeschain wrote: »

did you guys say you are level 32??

/facepalm

If you are going to review your experience with a class, do not do it until you are V2. Please, just don't.

Nope I am a VR6. And I can say that what I said before was true at lvl 32 as it is at VR6. You can one shot some mobs at your level from stealth with Surprise attack if you are speced for damage and crit damage.

mstout7419b14_ESO

PBpsy wrote: »

Chirru wrote: »

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Draaconis wrote: »

The issue is people want the one shot wonder rogue. Well, guess what, this is Tamriel and that guy doesn't live here.

Veiled Strike says hi.

My level 32 Night Blade one shots quite well from stealth.

With a Melee weapon.... whom are you kidding friend. Yes, on an NPC several levels lower that might just work if you get lucky...but on a same level NPC... come on, stop spreading tales.

Veiled Strike morphed to Surprise attack fully leveled with capped magicka and and the shadow mundus is able to take out some low armor mob from stealth in just one shot at VR6.This is of course for the first target in a group if you do it right.Most of the time you need a heavy attack and a killer's blade to finish the target though. It works great if you target the mage or healer first since they die fast and they are the most dangerous. My opening with surprise attack crits for >1600damage.

This is of course pretty hard to pull of on a player but in pve it's great.

So no it is no tall tale.

mstout7419b14_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

mstout7419b14_ESO wrote: »

V4 nb and my only complaint is passives not working properly or completely not applied after death, being forced to relog to have some passives reapplied, as well several abilties not doing what their description says, like leaching strikes says it applies to health but does not do anything for health

Leaching strikes does leach health form normal and heavy attacks it does not proc for 15% which is normal since the description states that the 10% proc only applys to magicka and stamina. The ability is however bugged since it only leaches about 2% health per hit instead of 4%

If youre getting 2% for health you are getting more than alot of us, coz me and many others are not getting anything in health back. There are even vids of this issue

This is weird might be due some other factor that bugs it. Are you vampire or use something unusual.. I certainly get 2% on weapon attacks. I think that 2% is useful enough to always keep that skill on my tab. I would love to have it at 4% though.

I am a vamp and everyone I know that has the issue is as well. Even the vids ive seen of the issue they are vamps.... so it could be a vamp isuue effecting nb, just like when you die as a vamp all my movement speed passives from nb shadow line and vamp passives no longer work and I have to relog

rawne1980b16_ESO

gunsofdeschain wrote: »

did you guys say you are level 32??

/facepalm

If you are going to review your experience with a class, do not do it until you are V2. Please, just don't.

My night blade is level 32 yes.

My VR templar wants to know where this class reviewing is that you speak of?

I see small comments, no reviews.

PBpsy

mstout7419b14_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Chirru wrote: »

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Draaconis wrote: »

The issue is people want the one shot wonder rogue. Well, guess what, this is Tamriel and that guy doesn't live here.

Veiled Strike says hi.

My level 32 Night Blade one shots quite well from stealth.

With a Melee weapon.... whom are you kidding friend. Yes, on an NPC several levels lower that might just work if you get lucky...but on a same level NPC... come on, stop spreading tales.

Veiled Strike morphed to Surprise attack fully leveled with capped magicka and and the shadow mundus is able to take out some low armor mob from stealth in just one shot at VR6.This is of course for the first target in a group if you do it right.Most of the time you need a heavy attack and a killer's blade to finish the target though. It works great if you target the mage or healer first since they die fast and they are the most dangerous. My opening with surprise attack crits for >1600damage.

This is of course pretty hard to pull of on a player but in pve it's great.

So no it is no tall tale.

mstout7419b14_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

mstout7419b14_ESO wrote: »

V4 nb and my only complaint is passives not working properly or completely not applied after death, being forced to relog to have some passives reapplied, as well several abilties not doing what their description says, like leaching strikes says it applies to health but does not do anything for health

Leaching strikes does leach health form normal and heavy attacks it does not proc for 15% which is normal since the description states that the 10% proc only applys to magicka and stamina. The ability is however bugged since it only leaches about 2% health per hit instead of 4%

If youre getting 2% for health you are getting more than alot of us, coz me and many others are not getting anything in health back. There are even vids of this issue

This is weird might be due some other factor that bugs it. Are you vampire or use something unusual.. I certainly get 2% on weapon attacks. I think that 2% is useful enough to always keep that skill on my tab. I would love to have it at 4% though.

I am a vamp and everyone I know that has the issue is as well. Even the vids ive seen of the issue they are vamps.... so it could be a vamp isuue effecting nb, just like when you die as a vamp all my movement speed passives from nb shadow line and vamp passives no longer work and I have to relog

Yes it is probably the Vamp. I think if they actually fix the 2% to be 4% this might be a little OP in PVE. I would get 90 ealth back per hit. Going tanky with some speed increase spec would be insane.

mips_winnt

Chirru wrote: »

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Draaconis wrote: »

The issue is people want the one shot wonder rogue. Well, guess what, this is Tamriel and that guy doesn't live here.

Veiled Strike says hi.

My level 32 Night Blade one shots quite well from stealth.

With a Melee weapon.... whom are you kidding friend. Yes, on an NPC several levels lower that might just work if you get lucky...but on a same level NPC... come on, stop spreading tales.

Not accurate, you can one shot mobs several levels above you with stealth + veiled strike....until you reach VR content, at which point it still does a ton of damage but it isn't nearly as reliable, not to mention you don't get the correct damage bonus if you cloak and strike from behind again in the same fight (you do get the stun though).

Yeah there are some things don't work the way they should with Nightblade skills , you can work around them though and just think when ZOS gets everything fixed you'll be that much stronger.

ozgod22_eso

Draaconis wrote: »

The problem is not with "mechanics", "lag", "glitches", "bugs", or anything else people are whining about. My Nightblade solos perfectly fine. I was level 30 before I went down the first time. No. The issue is people want the one shot wonder rogue.

More precisely the real issue is with the people playing the class. It has bugs and glitches like every class but it's viable.

YourNameHere

I have a Siphon/Bow NB, and Snipe can pretty much one shot enemies while crouched.

I'm not looking to hit high on parsers, and I've done well in group dungeons, assisting with AoE arrows and the like.

GrimMauKin

I've been playing a solo Night Blade and have really enjoyed doing so, but there are so many bugs; particularly annoying are stealthed skill attacks that animate but don't apply damage but of course do blow your stealth. There seem to be a load of bugs with Night Blades that really do need addressing.

Another issue for me seems to be that you can only use stealth once in any given combat. In Skyrim I would use hit and run tactics and try and re-stealth where possible; in EOS I attacked a group of creatures from stealth broke of and escaped the cave I was in through a passage before finding a corner in the next care to crouch down in. I was far enough ahead for none of the pursuing creatures to realistically know where I was yet all turned 90 degrees and headed straight for me like heat seeking missiles once entering the cavern.

I guess that stealth is a difficult skill to balance as it can be devastating but I'm also finding the way that a groups of MOBS react as a single entity annoying. Once you're unstealthed to a single creature in a group all the creatures instantly know about you and home in, even if they're out of line of sight. In many instances this makes sense as the creature seeing you would call out, but this mechanic still applies if you take out a grouped MOB that's out of line of sight of the main group with a single strike (no chance to cry out); again in Skyrim a solo thief could sometimes whittle down a large group with judicious sneak attacks.

I've spent a far bit of time developing a sneak character is EOS but I'm certainly finding it less potent than it might be.

n0l

GrimMauKin wrote: »

Another issue for me seems to be that you can only use stealth once in any given combat. In Skyrim I would use hit and run tactics and try and re-stealth where possible; in EOS I attacked a group of creatures from stealth broke of and escaped the cave I was in through a passage before finding a corner in the next care to crouch down in. I was far enough ahead for none of the pursuing creatures to realistically know where I was yet all turned 90 degrees and headed straight for me like heat seeking missiles once entering the cavern.

I guess that stealth is a difficult skill to balance as it can be devastating but I'm also finding the way that a groups of MOBS react as a single entity annoying. Once you're unstealthed to a single creature in a group all the creatures instantly know about you and home in, even if they're out of line of sight. In many instances this makes sense as the creature seeing you would call out, but this mechanic still applies if you take out a grouped MOB that's out of line of sight of the main group with a single strike (no chance to cry out); again in Skyrim a solo thief could sometimes whittle down a large group with judicious sneak attacks.

I've spent a far bit of time developing a sneak character is EOS but I'm certainly finding it less potent than it might be.

^^This about sums it up for me. I can deal with the bugs and glitches, and while I still enjoy the game immensely, I would honestly love to see the stealth system improved.

wllstrt75b14_ESO

Stealth works great in pvp. The issue is coding on an NPC level regarding aggro n stealth.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

I have 0 issues with my NB and anything PVP related. I do have an issue where we don't match up in PVE though. It's gotten so bad that any half decent group excludes NB's from the 12 man raids (apparently a lot exclude templars as well. This should tell you something). To tell you the truth, I don't blame those groups one bit either.

jircris11

My only complaint was fixed in the last patch..well so far, when you use certain skill it would lock you up so you could not attack at all. No one who plays NB is looking for a one hit kill class, we are looking for high DPS or as i like to call them high risk and reward. You say you have not died till lvl 30, wait un till you hit V1 then come talk to me. At V1-V12 my NB was fun yet a lot of my soloing took careful planing and a hand full of soul gems.