DPS Parser Group - please add

Therium104

ESO Devs - Please provide an addon or something in game to track dps by player as a group. Thank you. This game desperately needs a group parser.

Also, I have discussed this with multiple other players in game and they agree. The forums are only a limited subset of the population.

How can you go wrong with offering players more choices. They paid for the game.

Leesha

This doesn't offer players more choices, it leads to exclusion of others who are also paying subscribers. Form your own groups with everyone who has a self parse and your wish is granted.

I'm a parse user in other games so no, I'm not against them or concerned what others will think of my performance. DPS means very little in ESO because, as others have pointed out, dps will be severely reduced by blocking, dodging, CC, off healing, self healing, movement and being depleted of magicka. This is not wow!

Tyr

There's a lot of hate in this thread, but there are a few facts that I'd like to point out, though some have been already:

1. The API for the game originally DID allow for this kind of addon to be created and was changed to limit access to information about players/NPCs other than yourself.
2. Even with the current limitations in API, personal DPS meters are possible
3. Personal DPS statistics can be shared with the group indirectly through chat, so an addon can be created to modify the chat for everyone in the group to voluntarily publish DPS statistics.
4. So as it is right now there's nothing preventing an addon from being developed that allows players in a group from VOLUNTARILY sharing DPS statistics.
5. FTC addon currently has DPS meter functionality.
6. There absolutely ARE bosses with hard enrage timers that CANNOT be overcome with changes in tactics if DPS is too low overall.

Having said all of that, asking ZOS to create a feature that allows for the non-voluntary disclosure of group member DPS figures is unnecessary as you can always voluntarily disclose your DPS information to your group that you get through FTC or another Addon, though a related chat Addon to display this to your group automatically would be great if someone hasn't already made one.

Edit: Ninja'd by Lkory.

Tyr

Lkory wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

TheGodless1 wrote: »

I have seen few games that have had parsers built in...always need a mod for it it seems...it also seems that you really miss those other games...you need to bring everything from there to here. I'm glad they don't have them. The game doesn't require it to function so therefore you don't either...you just WANT it...big difference...I want kids to stop ruining games with stupid things like this...but that's what I WANT...not what I get.

I don't care what you want. I hope you don't care about what I want in the game. Regardless, we both deserve the right to decide for ourselves.

As a player I deserve the right to play the game how I want. If this includes a group parser then so be it.

If you don't like it then don't download it.

ESO Devs -> Please add a group parser in game or by add on so I as a player can decide if I want this or not. Give me the choice.

Please dont take this the wrong way, and I mean this with all the love I have.
Can you quit ESO?

Eh. Let me state again. Eso devs please add a group dps parser so those players that choose to use it have that option.

You got a self parser with FTC, you can share your dps with your group if you want.

I dont want others to see my DPS for the simple reason that if i spend a whole fight CCing mobs so we survive just to be told that i am useless cause my group is not aware that CC takes coordination and time...just to target the right mob and be in the right place at the right time. Yeah i cant save my tab target and just tab to get to him again.

You got your own parse, feel free to share it with your group.

Yeah, basically this.

Therium104

Tyr wrote: »

Lkory wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

TheGodless1 wrote: »

I have seen few games that have had parsers built in...always need a mod for it it seems...it also seems that you really miss those other games...you need to bring everything from there to here. I'm glad they don't have them. The game doesn't require it to function so therefore you don't either...you just WANT it...big difference...I want kids to stop ruining games with stupid things like this...but that's what I WANT...not what I get.

I don't care what you want. I hope you don't care about what I want in the game. Regardless, we both deserve the right to decide for ourselves.

As a player I deserve the right to play the game how I want. If this includes a group parser then so be it.

If you don't like it then don't download it.

ESO Devs -> Please add a group parser in game or by add on so I as a player can decide if I want this or not. Give me the choice.

Please dont take this the wrong way, and I mean this with all the love I have.
Can you quit ESO?

Eh. Let me state again. Eso devs please add a group dps parser so those players that choose to use it have that option.

You got a self parser with FTC, you can share your dps with your group if you want.

I dont want others to see my DPS for the simple reason that if i spend a whole fight CCing mobs so we survive just to be told that i am useless cause my group is not aware that CC takes coordination and time...just to target the right mob and be in the right place at the right time. Yeah i cant save my tab target and just tab to get to him again.

You got your own parse, feel free to share it with your group.

Yeah, basically this.

Yeah. If I have a self parser I want a group parser. So yeah. Something like that. I want a group parser and I believe others do as well. It is about choice in a fantasy game on the Internet. Sorries

Lol...........

If you don't like it then don't download it. This fact seems to elude you.

Therium104

Leesha wrote: »

This doesn't offer players more choices, it leads to exclusion of others who are also paying subscribers. Form your own groups with everyone who has a self parse and your wish is granted.

I'm a parse user in other games so no, I'm not against them or concerned what others will think of my performance. DPS means very little in ESO because, as others have pointed out, dps will be severely reduced by blocking, dodging, CC, off healing, self healing, movement and being depleted of magicka. This is not wow!

I don't care what it is.

I
Want
The
Ability
To
Use
A
Group parser.

It is my game. Not yours. You cannot dictate my choices as a paying customer.

Hiddenbunny

Regardless how you feel about DPS meters, the argument to have more combat text available is not just about my epeen is bigger than yours. Rather, it's about a much much larger issue.

You don't see it now because of the small 4 person group, but when the 12 people raid/challenge are available, the raid leader will have no tool to figure out what went wrong in a fight.

"but you can tell how people are doing just by watching them block, dodge, etc", yeah, you are going to assign 1 person doing nothing and observe 11 others? even then he/she won't able to see ***.

You guys keep saying this isn't wow, but when you put together a large group of people playing together as a team, you need to provide some tools to at least telling them how they are doing and why they are not doing well.

At least in wow, when a bad raid night ends, the RL can go to world of log and see exactly what the hell happened, and change strategy accordingly. Whether that's a slight change in timing using a CD, or replace bad DPS or what, its depend on what RL wants to do with that information.

In ESO right now, you don't have that information, you don't even know whether people have debuff on. Funniest thing here, cleansing requires people using synergy. How do you even tell when someone is not doing that and dying? you don't. You can guess, but its one's word against the other. There is no tracking of the bad things people did. All they can do is point fingers when *** fails.

I actually agree that DPS is probably not that crucial in most fights except when someone isn't really doing jack. In that case, how do you even call him/her out without any proof (meters?)

All those raid related tools came about in wow because there were needs for it. ZOS could develop a game play that doesn't need those info, and some of you will argue that's what they have done. But apparently they did not go these route, and people will wipe and wipe without knowing why. if I wipe and wipe again on a boss, I want to know why, and right now, you will not know why. The information won't be available because apparently elitism is a bigger problem than valid game information, much like botters are a bigger problem then game bugs. ZOS has picked their priority and I completely disagree with the ones they have chosen.

Perhaps it is a true ES game where it meant to be played solo, it just happens to be a game with a lot of other people playing solo at the same time. If they meant to encourage group play, they have actually done everything possible to discouraging group collaboration by not giving players the tools to enhance the teamwork.

Shaun98ca2

But the point is group parsers whether others who don't like them are still affected by them. So either you or somebody else is effected by a wide decision like something such as a group parser.

Group parsers have never been good for the community, so most the community here doesn't want them cause they are effected by them.

Group member oh you didn't reach 320 on the dps meter cause you suck /kick.

There is no way to prevent that with a group parser, so denying a group parser is what the devs decided to do.

How exactly does a group parser make YOU yourself a better player?

Therium104

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

But the point is group parsers whether others who don't like them are still affected by them. So either you or somebody else is effected by a wide decision like something such as a group parser.

Group parsers have never been good for the community, so most the community here doesn't want them cause they are effected by them.

Group member oh you didn't reach 320 on the dps meter cause you suck /kick.

There is no way to prevent that with a group parser, so denying a group parser is what the devs decided to do.

How exactly does a group parser make YOU yourself a better player?

You are referring to human nature and that will happen regardless. People will find a way to hate and differianite themselves with or without a group parser. Wouldn't you want an objective number to base these types of conclusions. You cannot change people.

A group parser is not the root cause nor does it contribute to elitism. The players will do that on their own with or without one. You want to be realistic right? Then pause and think about what you are writing.

The game needs a group parser. I just want ESO to add one or allow an addon for one that is going to occur anyway. Look. They are going to add one if they want to be taken seriously and survive.

I just want it to happen now while I am leveling so I can test specs and results to ensure I am doing the correct things compared to my groups.

Shaun98ca2

Therium104 wrote: »

You are referring to human nature and that will happen regardless. People will find a way to hate and differianite themselves with or without a group parser. Wouldn't you want an objective number to base these types of conclusions. You cannot change people.

A group parser is not the root cause nor does it contribute to elitism. The players will do that on their own with or without one. You want to be realistic right? Then pause and think about what you are writing.

The game needs a group parser. I just want ESO to add one or allow an addon for one that is going to occur anyway. Look. They are going to add one if they want to be taken seriously and survive.

I just want it to happen now while I am leveling so I can test specs and results to ensure I am doing the correct things compared to my groups.

Giving people tools to increase elitism is a horrible idea. A group parser DOES contribute to elitism.

Elitism in this game is currently at an all time low, due to the fact they DONT have the tools.

As for being judged in groups yes your always going to be judged but it wont be against an arbitrary DPS #. It will be against how well I seem to do in the dungeon with the group EI did I die a lot was I using CC was I blocking and dodging, or did the healer have to heal more than the tank.

Therium104

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

You are referring to human nature and that will happen regardless. People will find a way to hate and differianite themselves with or without a group parser. Wouldn't you want an objective number to base these types of conclusions. You cannot change people.

A group parser is not the root cause nor does it contribute to elitism. The players will do that on their own with or without one. You want to be realistic right? Then pause and think about what you are writing.

The game needs a group parser. I just want ESO to add one or allow an addon for one that is going to occur anyway. Look. They are going to add one if they want to be taken seriously and survive.

I just want it to happen now while I am leveling so I can test specs and results to ensure I am doing the correct things compared to my groups.

Giving people tools to increase elitism is a horrible idea. A group parser DOES contribute to elitism.

Elitism in this game is currently at an all time low, due to the fact they DONT have the tools.

As for being judged in groups yes your always going to be judged but it wont be against an arbitrary DPS #. It will be against how well I seem to do in the dungeon with the group EI did I die a lot was I using CC was I blocking and dodging, or did the healer have to heal more than the tank.

People are not stupid and can tell the difference. You cannot change human nature.

Look. Group parsers in the end are good for the game and help people get better. They also remove a lot of the pure opinion garbage from decisions. They are great for determine the best specs and can be a lot of fun.

Have an open mind. This about giving others the choice which you are trying to prevent and it is bad for the game and community.

I can use one if I like and what you think about it should have no relevance. Get out of my game.

Shaun98ca2

Well I don't plan on getting out of your game anytime soon.

And your right you use your group parser all you want in your game.

Gwarok

Thywin wrote: »

Gwarok wrote: »

I have a special place on my ignore list for those that like to shove DpS meters down other gamer's throats

People "shoving dps meters down other gamers throats" are idiots. You cant stop people from beeing idiots by not allowing dps-meters, can you?

Here is my answer from this thread:

Thywin wrote: »

I cant imagine why they implement group-dps checks and do not implement a tool to measure group-dps. The gragoyle in the vet1 dungeon has 99k health and a 99 second enrage timer. This fight was obviously designed as a dps-check. If a group cannot output 1k dps it simply cannot win this fight (although healing through some seconds of the enrage is possible). So if three players make 250 dps and one player inflicts only 150 (leaving roles aside), the group just cant win this fight. And the way things are now, the group wont ever know WHY they cant win the fight, as everybody says "my rotation is fine" or "i think my animations look cool".

It is sad and will hurt competitive pve a lot. Even every casual or rp player with no intentions to ever do a trial should care about that, as a healthy and competitive pve-scene can only benefit this game and will add to its longevity.

PLAY AS I WANT, RIGHT?
Damage meter "shovers" STILL DIAF!

Test THIS with me in a group, I DARE YOU!

I will survive!

#DeadHead4LIFE!

Therium104

This is all unbelievable. I have rarely if ever had someone not willing to help when asked for help with dps due to a bad parse.

It also helps players who have no idea they are playing poorly. Case in point I knew of a player in a different game who thought he did insane amounts of dps and his failed groups were due to the tank and healers. I ran a dungeon with the guy and discovered by using a parser that he was doing 2,000 dps compared to my 20,000. His groups were failing due to him. So I told him no problem and had my friend contact him who spent two hours with him on a dummy to improve.

Like all things it is what you make of it. These are social games. Ask questions, share information, and don't have an ego or attitude.

If it is about elitist then you are the problem because 99% of the people in these games like to help each other.

Shaun98ca2

Therium104 wrote: »

This is all unbelievable. I have rarely if ever had someone not willing to help when asked for help with dps due to a bad parse.

It also helps players who have no idea they are playing poorly. Case in point I knew of a player in a different game who thought he did insane amounts of dps and his failed groups were due to the tank and healers. I ran a dungeon with the guy and discovered by using a parser that he was doing 2,000 dps compared to my 20,000. His groups were failing due to him. So I told him no problem and had my friend contact him who spent two hours with him on a dummy to improve.

Like all things it is what you make of it. These are social games. Ask questions, share information, and don't have an ego or attitude.

If it is about elitist then you are the problem because 99% of the people in these games like to help each other.

This game isn't about DPS. DPS in a group need more than just DPS they need CC and survivability. Having TOP DPS means nothing if you cant handle 3 mobs on you at a time. In a dungeon the tank CANT hold all the mobs so a DPS HAS to deal with mobs as well. Surviving encounters matter more than high DPS. HOW WELL your doing CANT be measured by a meter in this game. You overall DPS can be measured but that doesn't paint the whole picture.

A bad dps CANT survive an encounter with 2 or 3 mobs attacking him. Dodge block interrupt are VERY important and take away from DPS. So you cant measure a players worth in this game with a meter.

Ezeklol

Yes, this game really needs this group wide, so a problem can be easily found addressed (and this doesnt immediately mean by kicking someone).

I would also like to see how i compare and what i might be doing wrong compared to other healers and dps

Audigy

The problem you all seem concerned that you will be evaluated based on the parsers. You will still be evaluated on how you play. We are human beings.

None of this is about giving players the choice. It is about all of you being afraid to be judged based on a number. Who cares.

As a person who has first hand information how WoW was destroyed by Recount, Gearscore and other tools I have to say that you don't seem to understand the whole problem here.

Any type of competition forced on players is bad for MMO´s. People will start grouping with people who do most DPS, who have best loot or the perfect enchantments which results in griefing and harassment.

Did you ever wonder why guilds in wow are so horrible these days? They are because recruiting happens purely based on performance and not humanity.

There was a time in MMO´s when you asked for the name of another player first and not his DPS score.

I like group parsers because I like a benchmark of how I can improve as a player. It is a personal decision and my choice.

I am appalled by the fact you all believe you should dictate how I or others play the game all and what we as players use to judge performance.

You can see your DPS just fine, but you cant dictate that others want to know yours as well. Recount forced everyone in the group to use the tool, there was no option to turn tracking off. Your type of player forced everyone, not the other way around because you can still use your tool, its just that we don't want to use it as well!

Don't you want to know how well you all new doing. How does this translate into a negative thing?

Its not about knowing how well I do, as this everyone with a tiny bit of knowledge and IQ will find out. Its about the fact that you somehow feel entitled to know how others do!

The performance of others is not of your concern, or do you spy on your neighbors at night about what they do in their bedroom, if the breakfast consists of BIO eggs or if the dog made poo again on their dining table?

The obsession of knowing about others is sick in todays society. Do people have no own life to care about?

Ezeklol

Some players want to raid at a higher standard, so there are guilds that raid at a higher standard.

Recount, and combat logs - especially for deaths are very useful tools that help beat learning curves around boss mechanics.
So they should be available in the game and easily accessable.

Besides im fairly confident people are lying about doing over 1k dps in single target right now, and would like to see this for myself while grouped.

Audigy wrote: »

The performance of others is not of your concern

If that person is causing the party or the raid to wipe repeatedly, then yes it is.

Gohlar

ESO is for people who want to quest and pretend they are playing an mmo. It's an everybody wins game. I doubt there will ever be content sufficiently difficult to even require a high level of coordination.

Cogo

Gohlar wrote: »

ESO is for people who want to quest and pretend they are playing an mmo. It's an everybody wins game. I doubt there will ever be content sufficiently difficult to even require a high level of coordination.

Eh, either this is a joke, or you can not played past level 5.

Therium104

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

This is all unbelievable. I have rarely if ever had someone not willing to help when asked for help with dps due to a bad parse.

It also helps players who have no idea they are playing poorly. Case in point I knew of a player in a different game who thought he did insane amounts of dps and his failed groups were due to the tank and healers. I ran a dungeon with the guy and discovered by using a parser that he was doing 2,000 dps compared to my 20,000. His groups were failing due to him. So I told him no problem and had my friend contact him who spent two hours with him on a dummy to improve.

Like all things it is what you make of it. These are social games. Ask questions, share information, and don't have an ego or attitude.

If it is about elitist then you are the problem because 99% of the people in these games like to help each other.

This game isn't about DPS. DPS in a group need more than just DPS they need CC and survivability. Having TOP DPS means nothing if you cant handle 3 mobs on you at a time. In a dungeon the tank CANT hold all the mobs so a DPS HAS to deal with mobs as well. Surviving encounters matter more than high DPS. HOW WELL your doing CANT be measured by a meter in this game. You overall DPS can be measured but that doesn't paint the whole picture.

A bad dps CANT survive an encounter with 2 or 3 mobs attacking him. Dodge block interrupt are VERY important and take away from DPS. So you cant measure a players worth in this game with a meter.

If dps does not matter then why do you care if a parser is added. Your arguments are meaningless.

Therium104

Ezeklol wrote: »

Yes, this game really needs this group wide, so a problem can be easily found addressed (and this doesnt immediately mean by kicking someone).

I would also like to see how i compare and what i might be doing wrong compared to other healers and dps

Excellent post. The issue here is that a group parser is standard practice by every quality mmo and we as players have a right to expect it. ESO needs to implement this right away.

In regards to the others who don't like it. Then don't download it.

beravinprb19_ESO

If you want to track your own DPS, grab the FoundryTacticalCombat addon. In the top left, it displays how much damage you deal each second, how much you heal each second, and how much damage you take each second. If you want to track what other people are doing, however, then you can buzz off. That attitude has ruined many gaming communities. Not to mention, this game is far from balanced, and is in no way ready to be "competitive".

Therium104

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

If you want to track your own DPS, grab the FoundryTacticalCombat addon. In the top left, it displays how much damage you deal each second, how much you heal each second, and how much damage you take each second. If you want to track what other people are doing, however, then you can buzz off. That attitude has ruined many gaming communities. Not to mention, this game is far from balanced, and is in no way ready to be "competitive".

Your attitude is what ruins game communities. So buzz off.

It is about choice. You seem convinced you have a right to dictate how I and others play our game. I am telling you that is not the case.

We need a group parser in this game for valid reasons. We need it for the community. So players can know what is going on and help each other to overcome obstacles. We need it so people as a group can make sense of pvp and pve.

Hiddenbunny

*** dps meter, I just want a baddie meter.

How many times did you stand in ***?
Are you hitting the right mob?
Did you use the right debuff/buff when we asked you to?
Did you interrupt as you suppose to?

These are just a few things I want to know from an encounter, and none of these are DPS related. These are crucial information for large group game play if the group want to know anything about why an encounter went wrong.

The bottom line is we don't have that right now. You will never know why *** went down. Unless the content is designed so none of that matters, but it doesn't seem like the devs are going that way.

Therium104

Hiddenbunny wrote: »

*** dps meter, I just want a baddie meter.

How many times did you stand in ***?
Are you hitting the right mob?
Did you use the right debuff/buff when we asked you to?
Did you interrupt as you suppose to?

These are just a few things I want to know from an encounter, and none of these are DPS related. These are crucial information for large group game play if the group want to know anything about why an encounter went wrong.

The bottom line is we don't have that right now. You will never know why *** went down. Unless the content is designed so none of that matters, but it doesn't seem like the devs are going that way.

Lets start with a group dps meter. Lol. Also, I find it is better policy to help people rather than call them bad.

None of this matters. The game needs a group dps meter RIGHT now.

Therium104

I hope we get a group dps meter soon. Any devs give status?