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Why cant we level with PVP or PVE?

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dwaightb16_ESO
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Why cant we progress our level with PVP or PVE? i mean we can but at a very very slow rate.. the mob XP is beyond a joke in most dungoens.. and in PvP you dont get much XP either...

i feel like im forced to grind al the veterans zones. inorder to achieve v10.. ( v6 Atm )

thoughts?
  • Audigy
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    Dungeons give you a lot of xp for finishing the quest, you also get a skill point and skyshards. Pvp offers skyshards as well, so you are greatly rewarded for doing this type of content.

    The XP is low for killing mobs yes, but that's fine if you consider the idea behind all of this.

    The Dev´s want us to play the game and not just sit in towns and use the LFG. I support their decision ;)
    There are however MMO´s where you can sit in towns all day and only use the LFG system, if you like this type of game you can always go there.
  • KerinKor
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    Audigy wrote: »
    The Dev´s want us to play the game and not just sit in towns and use the LFG. I support their decision ;).
    This is why they're about to release an entire zone where GROUP-OR-DONT-BOTHER is the rule .. so in order to even be able to go there and not die to the first mob that sees you you'll need to .. LFG IN TOWN!

    Genius!

  • ElSlayer
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    Why can't we progress our level by being AFK? I feel like I'm forced to play.
    @d0e1ow: There is no singular thing within a game's little ecosystem that will convince you that you hate the game, hate your life, and hate everyone around you faster than the game's official forums will.

    @TaffyIX: Life is too short to get upset by a video game.
  • rawne1980b16_ESO
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    ElSlayer wrote: »
    Why can't we progress our level by being AFK? I feel like I'm forced to play.

    He asks why we can't level in PvP or PvE (mainly because PvP XP is shockingly bad) and you come back with, quite possibly, the most pathetic comment of the day.


    Which is saying something on these forums.

    And brings me to this point.....

    Where the hell is this ignore function you said we could have, Zeni?
  • Avidus
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    KerinKor wrote: »
    Audigy wrote: »
    The Dev´s want us to play the game and not just sit in towns and use the LFG. I support their decision ;).
    This is why they're about to release an entire zone where GROUP-OR-DONT-BOTHER is the rule .. so in order to even be able to go there and not die to the first mob that sees you you'll need to .. LFG IN TOWN!

    Genius!

    You might want to sit down, keep a glass of water nearby, this will come as a shock..
    But there are these amazing things, they are called guilds, we can join them! When you join a guild you can makes lots of friends and all have fun together!
  • ElSlayer
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    rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »
    He asks why we can't level in PvP or PvE (mainly because PvP XP is shockingly bad) and you come back with, quite possibly, the most pathetic comment of the day.
    Why can't I level up my professions by doing PvP? Inspiration gains from PvP are shockingly zero. I feel like I'm forced to level crafting in order to get crafting leveled. Bad game design? I'm unsubbing!
    @d0e1ow: There is no singular thing within a game's little ecosystem that will convince you that you hate the game, hate your life, and hate everyone around you faster than the game's official forums will.

    @TaffyIX: Life is too short to get upset by a video game.
  • Audigy
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    KerinKor wrote: »
    Audigy wrote: »
    The Dev´s want us to play the game and not just sit in towns and use the LFG. I support their decision ;).
    This is why they're about to release an entire zone where GROUP-OR-DONT-BOTHER is the rule .. so in order to even be able to go there and not die to the first mob that sees you you'll need to .. LFG IN TOWN!

    Genius!

    Its one zone, not the whole game! There is a huge difference ;)
  • ElSlayer
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    KerinKor wrote: »
    This is why they're about to release an entire zone where GROUP-OR-DONT-BOTHER is the rule .. so in order to even be able to go there and not die to the first mob that sees you you'll need to .. LFG IN TOWN!

    Genius!
    That is called MMO for a reason...
    Edited by ElSlayer on May 8, 2014 10:47AM
    @d0e1ow: There is no singular thing within a game's little ecosystem that will convince you that you hate the game, hate your life, and hate everyone around you faster than the game's official forums will.

    @TaffyIX: Life is too short to get upset by a video game.
  • Nidwin
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    You can but it goes a bit slower than rushing quests and high xp rewarding stuff.

    What I don't get is the obsession of getting VR10 asap. Why not just take your time and do the stuff you enjoy doing the most, be it RvR, Questsing, Farming, crafting, ...
    If the xp gain is slower, so what. Aren't we here to have fun the way we want or is there some kind fof real life price, achievement if you make it VR10 before JoeSixPack?

    Just wondering, not flaming OP here.
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  • ElSlayer
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    Nidwin wrote: »
    What I don't get is the obsession of getting VR10 asap. Why not just take your time and do the stuff you enjoy doing the most, be it RvR, Questsing, Farming, crafting, ...
    Play as you want, they say.

    @d0e1ow: There is no singular thing within a game's little ecosystem that will convince you that you hate the game, hate your life, and hate everyone around you faster than the game's official forums will.

    @TaffyIX: Life is too short to get upset by a video game.
  • AreoHotah
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    rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »
    ElSlayer wrote: »
    Why can't we progress our level by being AFK? I feel like I'm forced to play.

    He asks why we can't level in PvP or PvE (mainly because PvP XP is shockingly bad) and you come back with, quite possibly, the most pathetic comment of the day.


    Which is saying something on these forums.

    And brings me to this point.....

    Where the hell is this ignore function you said we could have, Zeni?

    Lol can't you take a joke?? chill
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  • dwaightb16_ESO
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    the elitism is strong in some posts.
  • dwaightb16_ESO
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    Nidwin wrote: »
    You can but it goes a bit slower than rushing quests and high xp rewarding stuff.

    What I don't get is the obsession of getting VR10 asap. Why not just take your time and do the stuff you enjoy doing the most, be it RvR, Questsing, Farming, crafting, ...
    If the xp gain is slower, so what. Aren't we here to have fun the way we want or is there some kind fof real life price, achievement if you make it VR10 before JoeSixPack?

    Just wondering, not flaming OP here.
    it was fun. until the veteran zones came.

  • Turial
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    rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »
    ElSlayer wrote: »
    Why can't we progress our level by being AFK? I feel like I'm forced to play.

    He asks why we can't level in PvP or PvE (mainly because PvP XP is shockingly bad) and you come back with, quite possibly, the most pathetic comment of the day.


    Which is saying something on these forums.

    And brings me to this point.....

    Where the hell is this ignore function you said we could have, Zeni?

    Lmfao, when the necromancers come for you I will ask them to give you a funny bone before animating you. The joke is amazing and sadly you missed it.... quite badly. #unsubbing
    Audigy wrote: »
    Dungeons give you a lot of xp for finishing the quest, you also get a skill point and skyshards. Pvp offers skyshards as well, so you are greatly rewarded for doing this type of content.

    The XP is low for killing mobs yes, but that's fine if you consider the idea behind all of this.

    The Dev´s want us to play the game and not just sit in towns and use the LFG. I support their decision ;)
    There are however MMO´s where you can sit in towns all day and only use the LFG system, if you like this type of game you can always go there.

    I don't think you meant to say LFG, if you replace LFG with mob-grinding then your whole post makes sense :P but I get what you meant to say.
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  • dwaightb16_ESO
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    Nidwin wrote: »
    You can but it goes a bit slower than rushing quests and high xp rewarding stuff.

    What I don't get is the obsession of getting VR10 asap. Why not just take your time and do the stuff you enjoy doing the most, be it RvR, Questsing, Farming, crafting, ...
    If the xp gain is slower, so what. Aren't we here to have fun the way we want or is there some kind fof real life price, achievement if you make it VR10 before JoeSixPack?

    Just wondering, not flaming OP here.
    i dont play MMo's because of its qeusts... obvious.
  • Gohlar
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    For whatever reason, some people in ESO think variety is a bad thing. Anything other than questing "isn't playing the game" or some other nonsense.

    Zenimax is aware of the issue and has said they are working on it so anyone defending the way things currently work is just being silly.
  • dwaightb16_ESO
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    Gohlar wrote: »
    For whatever reason, some people in ESO think variety is a bad thing. Anything other than questing "isn't playing the game" or some other nonsense.

    Zenimax is aware of the issue and has said they are working on it so anyone defending the way things currently work is just being silly.

  • Spryt
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    XP in pvp could be a bit higher. But if you get into a good group you can get quite a lot of XP. Just like in pve you actually have to kill stuff (people) to get xp. If all you do is run around solo and die you won't get much.

    And you can actually level crafting too. If you do well you can get a lof of mails with gearboxes. Break them down and you can level crafting.

    But quickest way to level is prob quest when solo. Do dungeon if you are in a small group and pvp if you have bigger organised raid.
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    rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »
    ElSlayer wrote: »
    Why can't we progress our level by being AFK? I feel like I'm forced to play.

    He asks why we can't level in PvP or PvE (mainly because PvP XP is shockingly bad) and you come back with, quite possibly, the most pathetic comment of the day.


    Which is saying something on these forums.

    And brings me to this point.....

    Where the hell is this ignore function you said we could have, Zeni?
    Many reasons, first grinding is faster to level than questing if done right.
    PvP also give decent XP in veteran level if you join large fights in large groups.

    More important they want to slow people down before we get the update with trials. it will also increase the xp gain as its less reason to slow people down :)

    And I agree dungeons and PvP should be viable options to level up.
    Hopefully change how you get xp in PvP to so small groups is more competitive.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • Gix
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    I think it's to prevent Alliances from farming each other.

    We already have population problems in some Cyrodiil campaigns; imagine how it would be like if PvP actually yielded decent XP.

    Then we'd have strategies like "Don't capture the fort, let them respawn closer to us so we can farm them!"
  • rawne1980b16_ESO
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    Turial wrote: »
    Lmfao, when the necromancers come for you I will ask them to give you a funny bone before animating you. The joke is amazing and sadly you missed it.... quite badly. #unsubbing

    I wouldn't have missed the joke ........... had it been even remotely amusing.

    I seem to have skipped the section in forums 101 where being a condescending arsehole is hilarious.

    See, in order for a joke to work ..... people need to laugh.

    If someone reads something and then plants their face in their palm and slowly shakes their head in shame of the cringe worthy tripe they just read ..... the joke falls flat.
  • rawne1980b16_ESO
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    Gix wrote: »
    I think it's to prevent Alliances from farming each other.

    We already have population problems in some Cyrodiil campaigns; imagine how it would be like if PvP actually yielded decent XP.

    Then we'd have strategies like "Don't capture the fort, let them respawn closer to us so we can farm them!"

    Forgive the double post, just noticed your comment.

    Farming kills in large zerg groups IS where the rewards are.

    You get more for mass kills than you do for keep capturing. You get nothing for defending besides what you get for killing the attackers.

  • dwaightb16_ESO
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    i did expect tho that we would have earned a little bit of xp when we cap a siege..
  • mumok
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    Maybe I have a different play style than most, but I find myself out leveling my favorite XP/farming spots before I'm ready.
  • Gix
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    rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »
    Gix wrote: »
    I think it's to prevent Alliances from farming each other.

    We already have population problems in some Cyrodiil campaigns; imagine how it would be like if PvP actually yielded decent XP.

    Then we'd have strategies like "Don't capture the fort, let them respawn closer to us so we can farm them!"

    Forgive the double post, just noticed your comment.

    Farming kills in large zerg groups IS where the rewards are.

    You get more for mass kills than you do for keep capturing. You get nothing for defending besides what you get for killing the attackers.
    Yeah but, right now, nobody goes to PvP with the idea of leveling up. That's a good thing.

    The point is that the reward for defending keeps shouldn't be XP (aside from the small amount you get by killing players); it should be the keep itself and what it provides to the Alliance.

    You give a personal XP reward to that (or you make that more relevant) and it skews the entire campaign experience.
  • frwinters_ESO
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    Maybe we should just get vr10 characters from the start. then we wouldnt have all these complaints!
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    frwinters_ESO wrote: »
    Maybe we should just get vr10 characters from the start. then we wouldnt have all these complaints!
    WOW will be selling level 90 characters soon as I understand.

    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
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    dwaightb16_ESO wrote: »
    thoughts?

    What's the rush?

  • Kiwi
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    good thing your sub runs out tomorrow
    then you wont be forced to do anything 
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  • dwaightb16_ESO
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    Kiwi wrote: »
    good thing your sub runs out tomorrow
    then you wont be forced to do anything
    you mean in 70 days?

    you should try harder.

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