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Bhakura

For lack of a general forum, i post here.
Already know ill get lots of flames for this, but just cant help it. Have to point this out.
Played lots of MMO, played lots of games and this for years.
ESO is first game where i see this phenomenon.
Whether it is a simple quest, solo dungeon or public dungeon, its everywhere.
I charge a mob and while im fighting i see in the corner of my screen someone charging in, trying very very hard to get a hit in. You was on horseback, if i wasnt there fighting you wouldnt even have dismounted to pick a fight and just kept going on your way.
Im following quest objectives, quick look at the map tells me if i jump of this cliff here im making a shortcut rather then go around along the path, so i jump, happens to be several other people are there, and what do they do, you got it, jump of the cliff. yet i didnt see them look at map (you can tell by people reading a book).
And i tested this ! I just stood there in similar occasions, and guess what, everyone was just standing there.
Im running solo dungeons, work my way up to boss place and find a bunch of people at the spawn site, fine, theyre waiting for spawn. Quick look around, while they wait ill go grind some trash mobs. And all of a sudden, noones waiting anymore and they all start grinding trash mobs ...
No more trash mobs, i use some silly emote like play the drum or sit on a chair ... and they start sit on chairs play drums or whatever.
A little bit later i find myself in a public dungeon, tons of mobs around, one mistake and you done for (dramatised), heres another player and starts following you, you charge in on next group and the adoring fan follows.
Theres another group, you know youre potential and charge, and the adoring fan follows. Theres another group, and you wait ... and the adoring fan ... stands around poking his nose.

I mean, wtf? This is not boasting or something but in all my gametime in mmos i never seen this before, its like people cant do anything by them selves in this game?

trinta

Well, see, you're the coolest of the cool, and we actually have entire guilds formed around following you and doing what you do. Can you blame us?

Melian

Cowards... or bots.

Bhakura

well thats it, im just a mediocre gamer >.<

trinta

Bhakura wrote: »

well thats it, im just a mediocre gamer >.<

You clearly underestimate your mad gaming skillz.

Shimond

Bot issue aside I imagine there's a bit of confirmation bias here too :P

JJDrakken

Conceited much?

jambam817_ESO

You do realise everything you are doing, people have the choice to do as well. Its not suprising some people have also decided to jump off a cliff for a quest objective. Maybe they looked at their map before, or have a Mini-Map addon...

I will repeat...
Conceited Much?

Bolo_Bob

jumping in fights is just easy loot without having to work down the mob by ourselves/yourself.

im guilty of this one, but also i jump in and heal people too if they look like they might need help. even when im on my horse.

the rest of your post is funny tho and ive noticed the same thing.
but the jump in fights for quick loot i understand and seems normal to me now.

Nasuradin_ESO

I sum this up as: monkey see, monkey do, sometimes monkey has a short attention span?

Personally I will attack something that someone else is fighting, if its in my direct path, I won't go through the trouble of dismounting to do so unless the person is actually in trouble. As far as emotes go, people like to form bands I guess, unfortunately there is no syncing of instruments so if someone is playing a lute or flute, drum is the only choice if you want to join in without turning it into a horrible jumble of notes.

jircris11

only time i will attack a mob is if it is a pub dungeon boss or if it looks like the person needs help. as a Bow NB killing things is...quite easy, but i tend to keep an eye out for those who look like they need the help (jump in when the person is 1/4th hp ect)

Bhakura

Already stated loads of people would flame on it, but it is not something i say to stroke ego or something, its a fact. The moment i log in untill i log out, this stuff is happening no matter where i am or do. Played lots of MMO and tend to solo as much as i can, ESO first one where its in your face "following the lead". if i where to count people following or go do about there own things it would be like 1/10, its bizar!

nimbli

Maybe they just like jumping off stuff. For some reason I just love it, it cracks me up every time. Was surprised when I got to Coldharbour and you're actually supposed to do that for like 3 quests.

trinta

Nobody's flaming you. I told you, we have a guild to follow you from the moment you log in until the moment you log out. It's called "Bhakura's Followers" and we're nearly capped on membership.

Seriously.

Elsonso

Well, actually, you are touching on one of the things that I like about ESO that I do not see in my other MMO that I play. I see a lot more esprit de corps between ungrouped players in this game than I do in others. This means that I might see someone waiting near a monster for someone else to come along and then together they kill it. I have also seen, and have been, a low level character following some higher level characters for an escort. Players that, for just a brief amount of time, are doing the same thing at the same time.

Players are constantly creating new mixes of informal groups for all sorts of situations. It is not strange that players who believe themselves to be part of a group will do the same things with the group. Eventually, the group breaks up and the cycle repeats with different players in the same situations.

Rather than thinking of this as some strange behavior that needs to be explained, or quashed, see it for what it really is... a social connection with the other players in the game.

jircris11

I love the little map bosses, i will see 2-3 ppl waiting for others because frankly some of them are just op.

nerevarine1138

jircris11 wrote: »

I love the little map bosses, i will see 2-3 ppl waiting for others because frankly some of them are just op.

You do know that those bosses are meant to be taken on by a group, right?

Anyway, I just wanted to post in this thread so the OP would notice me and think I'm awesome.

Thunder

ESO has cooperative open world PVE. Unlike all those other MMOs you've played, ESO actually rewards people for working together as a team, pretty much throughout the entire game.

The funny thing is though I see these two complaints pretty much in equal measure...

"OMGZORZ! ESO is a SINGLE PLAYER game. I wanted to play an MMO, where's all the player interaction?"

"OMGZORZ! I'm trying to play ESO like a single player game but there's too much player interaction going on so I can't!"

Bhakura

Guess im delusional or whatever then judging from replys since im only one experiencing this.
Joke all you want, this aint epeen stroking, boasting, its a simple observation. And quite frankly it started to annoy me theres hardly any initiative when several people are involved except the one you take.
At one point was standing at a dolmen somewhere in vet zone, there was 7 people, just standing there and still in zone, need more need more ... seriously, if i didnt open the fight they would probably still be there asking for more, howmany more you need to woop a handfull of daedras?
Love playing MMO for group content just as the next guy, but theres grouping and theres holding hands, and holding hands carry people trough all the time aint my kind of play.

nerevarine1138

I guess you're just more of a leader than a follower. Like Henry V.

Kiash

OP:

This is just players playing the game the way an MMO is meant to be played, together. Honestly, you should be celebrating this rather than be annoyed by it, but that is just my opinion.

SadisticSavior

I've had this issue too.

But sorcerers have awesome alphas, so I end up killing the mob before the puppy can do anything. Eventually they get bored and move on.

Chili

Bhakura wrote: »

At one point was standing at a dolmen somewhere in vet zone, there was 7 people, just standing there and still in zone, need more need more ... seriously, if i didnt open the fight they would probably still be there asking for more, howmany more you need to woop a handfull of daedras?

Maybe they wanted to make sure as many people as possible got in on the closing of the anchor?

I know it's strange but some people do think of others before themselves.

As for the rest of the lemmings example you gave: Maybe people are waiting till someone jumps off the cliff first to see if they will die? Maybe they don't feel like killing trash around a dungeon boss until someone else is because they are tired of waiting for a spawn? Maybe they dismount to help and not so much to get a hit in for loot?

Your views and your conclusions on why people do things are very narrow when in fact it could be for a whole host of reasons. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying you probably aren't right on most of your assumptions.

demendred

OP, you should play FFXI, where if you claim a mob, no one else can attack it.

Ashigaru

Bhakura wrote: »

Guess im delusional or whatever then judging from replys since im only one experiencing this.
Joke all you want, this aint epeen stroking, boasting, its a simple observation. And quite frankly it started to annoy me theres hardly any initiative when several people are involved except the one you take.
At one point was standing at a dolmen somewhere in vet zone, there was 7 people, just standing there and still in zone, need more need more ... seriously, if i didnt open the fight they would probably still be there asking for more, howmany more you need to woop a handfull of daedras?

Love playing MMO for group content just as the next guy, but theres grouping and theres holding hands, and holding hands carry people trough all the time aint my kind of play.

Its the nature of the previous mmo beast. People think you need this or that to complete things they dont just run in anymore and try things. I see it a lot myself but lets be honest, if those 7 people weren't standing there you wouldn't have started the anchor, you knew they would jump in so your pretty much doing the same thing as others in that instance.

Aellaren

It's not so much 'monkey see, monkey do' rather that it's easy loot to tag other mobs. Since loot isn't shared why wouldnt I tag something for a quick extra gold or a decon item? I dont enage the mobs in dungeons because knowing my luck the boss would spawn while doing so lol, but I'll certainly 'leech' off someone else. The looting system encourages more people to engage a fight.

And I've always been one to join in on emotes in every game I've played. Again this isn't as much 'monkey do' than it is acknowledging that other players are stuck in the same situation I am and may as well have fun while we're there. Part of playing an mmo is your interactions with others and emotes is an easy way to do. Idk seems lije you're reading too far into it, I've always had strangers join in on dance parties or random emoting. ESO is no exception.

I don't see anyone specifically following me off cliffs or anything. Shrug, I just always choose the most direct route to my objective, I'm sure the ones 'following' you are just doing the same.

Bhakura

Chili wrote: »

Maybe they wanted to make sure as many people as possible got in on the closing of the anchor?

I know it's strange but some people do think of others before themselves.

As for the rest of the lemmings example you gave: Maybe people are waiting till someone jumps off the cliff first to see if they will die? Maybe they don't feel like killing trash around a dungeon boss until someone else is because they are tired of waiting for a spawn? Maybe they dismount to help and not so much to get a hit in for loot?

Your views and your conclusions on why people do things are very narrow when in fact it could be for a whole host of reasons. I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying you probably aren't right on most of your assumptions.

If they wait for others to complete the dolmen they shouldnt ask, NEED more, they should say, were about to close come if you need the achievement.

If theyre waiting for someone to charge in to watch them die is just as lame.

If they dont feel like killing trash then they shouldnt all of sudden barge in and keep on waiting.

Changing run path quickly dismounting to get barely a hit in isnt exactly helping, thats just leeching loot.

Got two vet toons, and been watching this for both of them leveling up, didnt make this up in a whim. What youre saying is valid, but its not in this case, its not assumptions.
Ive seen people, even run along with them that took innitiative, not everyone is like this, and its fun to run along with them, even switch who charges in first, thats grouping, its fun play, run with people who stand around all day and wait for you to do something aint fun, if anything, can call that leeching.

zhevon

Mainly I don't mind "help" - except in the cases where I am supposed to duel one-on-one. Thats annoying when people start helping.

Thunder

Bhakura wrote: »

Guess im delusional or whatever then judging from replys since im only one experiencing this.

Nah, just a tad harsh, and painting with too broad a stroke. You called people that were simply trying to work together 'lost puppies' and implied they need to be carried through content.

Looking back, I can see that it probably looks like I was harshing on you as well with my sardonic comment, but I honestly didn't intend to mock you personally. I was just making an observation about how profoundly different some people see the interaction in ESO.

Obviously different people are going to have different levels of skill, different levels of build power, and of course even different levels. Through wandering and exploring, sometimes you find yourself in an area several levels above you, where you almost have to rely on others to fight your way through. Sometimes it's just a whole lot easier to fight your way through with a group.

In ESO you can even build your character with informal grouping in mind. For that matter, it's the first MMO I've ever played where you can actually level as a healer. Sometimes on my Templar if there's a lot of people around I'll switch to my resto staff and just let the heals flow. I've even thought about trying to level a character while healing the entire time.

ESO really is a play the way you want kind of game. However, if you prefer more challenge and less faceroll, you might have to wait around until a dungeon gets less crowded just as someone who prefers a more cooperative style might have to wait around until the dungeon gets more crowded.

dolmen

Huh... you sit in a chair and they sit in a chair? That is weird...

Ummaguma

my son has this same issue in RL... he is 4... "I can do it... I dont need help... stop..."