Veteran Ranks..... why?

Brimsurfer

so what's the point of veteran ranks? seriously what is the point?

I played through my faction quests, isn't that enough? Why do I have to play through other faction quests to be a viable character for Craglorn?

It just blows my mind away (in the worst manner possible) that to play Craglorn, I need to do the similar type of questing for the other two factions that I have been doing for my faction for the last 50 levels. How's that different from grinding (on which you supposedly looked down in pre launch interviews)?

Why would I want to play other two factions on my already level 50 character? I rather roll a new character with different class and separate skill set to play other factions, that would be more fun. But NO!! I have to play other factions on my level 50 and learn the other faction's side of story and spoil the fun for any potential new character that I will create for those factions.

Also, I am employed full time I don't play the game 24/7. I only get to play the game on weekends and may be a couple of hours here and there during the week. Now to think that I have to go through other faction quests starting from ground zero and seeing that those quests grant almost next to no experience. It might take me about a year to get to veteran level 10.

I don't mind doing repetitive veteran dungeon runs for few weeks and gearing myself for Craglorn, because I believe in readying myself for the new content, but grinding through other faction quests which grant insignificant experience is just ridiculous.

Remove this veteran level system and bring in something that assess the players gear level after 50.

Brimsurfer

Also whats the point of factioning, if I can roam freely in other faction lands and do their quests and no one sees me as the enemy?

Oh wait I remember Cadwall (or however its spelled) put a spell on me to make them friendly to me, so why doesn't he put a spell on the leaders of 3 faction and make them friendly and the conflict will be resolved.

There is so much in this game which is discredited by the very design choices which are supposed to hold it together.

Laura

I guess your suggestion would suck for the people that enjoy veteran ranks

Brimsurfer

There are several FUN and more rewarding ways to progress after level cap, but going to enemy faction zones and starting their quests from level 0 is the worst possible way to progress after level cap.

Also this spoils the fun for any potential new characters you will create for other factions.

Apricot

Laura wrote: »

I guess your suggestion would suck for the people that enjoy veteran ranks

Yes all six of them.

Rosveen

"Be careful what you wish for."

Some of us are used to lack of borders. We disliked factions locks and wanted to be able to visit all of Tamriel with one character. Not easy to do - but this is what we got. Endgame content in form of an endless quest grind. Don't get me wrong, I love quests. But I'm also a slow leveler and a mildly roleplaying sort. I make alts. It bothers me that I'd have to help my enemies and attack my own faction to level up. That I'll have to do the exact same content twice. That I can't pick and choose my quests because I need every bit of experience. All of this makes me wonder if I'll ever get to the level cap and be able to enjoy new veteran content coming out (which moves the cap even further...)

Morthur

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frwinters_ESO

Brimsurfer wrote: »

so what's the point of veteran ranks? seriously what is the point?

I played through my faction quests, isn't that enough? Why do I have to play through other faction quests to be a viable character for Craglorn?

It just blows my mind away (in the worst manner possible) that to play Craglorn, I need to do the similar type of questing for the other two factions that I have been doing for my faction for the last 50 levels. How's that different from grinding (on which you supposedly looked down in pre launch interviews)?

Why would I want to play other two factions on my already level 50 character? I rather roll a new character with different class and separate skill set to play other factions, that would be more fun. But NO!! I have to play other factions on my level 50 and learn the other faction's side of story and spoil the fun for any potential new character that I will create for those factions.

Also, I am employed full time I don't play the game 24/7. I only get to play the game on weekends and may be a couple of hours here and there during the week. Now to think that I have to go through other faction quests starting from ground zero and seeing that those quests grant almost next to no experience. It might take me about a year to get to veteran level 10.

I don't mind doing repetitive veteran dungeon runs for few weeks and gearing myself for Craglorn, because I believe in readying myself for the new content, but grinding through other faction quests which grant insignificant experience is just ridiculous.

Remove this veteran level system and bring in something that assess the players gear level after 50.

I agree. We should change the whole game to allow you with your busy schedule a chance to get some play time in. Basically that's what you said.

If your investing money into a game, don't you want to actually play it? Did you bother to read the new updates coming out stating that VR xp will be boosted? More end game content to be added that will help you get through those VR levels? It will all work out if you give the game a chance. Its only been one month.

Im employed to and only level 33 and i had the 5 day head start! I love moving slow in the beginning of an MMO cause I know changes are coming and I will probably never know the pain everyone else is going through. By the time i get to VR1 the xp will be increased and It wont be much of a headache. Hooray!

Noth

They were always going to have veteran ranks. If you want to blame someone for using the other factions content for the veteran content, blame the playerbase as it was one of the most requested things to be able to experience all the land mass on one character

Brimsurfer

Missing the point here, may be I should have worded myself better.......what I am trying to say is that after hitting level cap. Forcing players to do exactly the same thing (that they have been doing for the past 50 levels for their faction), for other factions all over again, to access end game content, is not the right or a fun way to progress.

Also, It basically kills the reason to create an alt for another faction, yes you may want to experience new skill set and class lines but you already know the other side's plot, there is no mystery or intrigue left in playing another faction with a new character. This takes out any significance of factioning from PVE side of the game and yet we can't see players from other factions in post 50 game world, even though every single player is buffed by Cadwall to not be seen as an enemy, go figure that? Like I said , this game discredits itself.

@Rosveen‌
People are not liking borders, in the sense that the game world is totally instanced which means you can't see players from another factions at all, even though they might be running over the same hill as you or purchasing the items from the same shop as you, at the same time, and that's not very RPG like, don't you agree?

If we were able to see players from other factions in the game world and do WPvP with them that would be more fun and the complaints for *borders* would entirely disappear.

EDIT: when I said remove the veteran system, I meant remove the way it works. Bring in the system that gives people a more rewarding way of gearing themselves and players must be ranked as per their gear level rather than how many kilometers they have run in the game world and you can still call it veteran system if you like.

I have seen VR2 players in better gear than some of VR5s, how is this even fair having better gear and still being ranked under.

Noth

The veteran system isn't supposed to be a heavy gear grind. It is supposed to be gradual where people of lower vet levels can have better gear. It leans in the direction of horizontal style progression. Something that is sorely lacking from most modern MMOs.

BTW, you can access end game content (Craglorn) at VR1. Veteran ranks are not huge steps in power like other games. So far, the VR content has provided a great challenge for solo players, something nearly all other MMOs lack at higher levels.

Basically, this complaint comes down to "I don't like your way, do it my way because I like it better." Not all games are going to be made the way you like it and that is a simple truth that many people really need to accept. It is ok to not like aspects of a game, but flat dumb to ask for it to change just because you don't like it.

Brimsurfer

ok I just came across a quest chain in post 50 world which requires me to kill my own faction..........how do you justify that? I am DC and while doing AD quests to level my VR I am asked to kill DC soldiers and spies, how does that work?

This whole enemy faction questing thing is a load of crap. I paid good money for this game and wasted enough time to get to level 50 and this is how Zenimax and Bethesda *** all over it.

The reason why I bought this MMO is that I believed in ES lore and that I believed that this game will not make me go through unreasonable or mindless grinding and that's what they promised in pre-launch interviews. And guess what I am doing now, hacking my own faction to death for an enemy faction, the same enemy faction against which I have been working for the last 50 levels and now I am on their side for no apparent reason and they don't recognize me as an enemy too because of some silly spell that doesn't work on anyone else in Tamriel, except me. And I am FORCED to do all of this to access end game content while I can't even see other faction players in the game world.

How can you define this as *freedom to play as you want*? Isn't this what they promised ability to play the game as we want? This is the worst kind of grinding ever.

Brimsurfer

Noth wrote: »

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Basically, this complaint comes down to "I don't like your way, do it my way because I like it better." .......................

Basically you don't want to acknowledge the flaws in the reasoning behind these weak design choices.

Sihnfahl

Brimsurfer wrote: »

Oh wait I remember Cadwall (or however its spelled) put a spell on me to make them friendly to me, so why doesn't he put a spell on the leaders of 3 faction and make them friendly and the conflict will be resolved.

Well, it's more of a power of Meridia's Light to put you into an 'alternate' realm where you ended up as part of the other faction, instead of your original. A 'what if' scenario based on the premise of fate choosing you to be part of that faction.

Brimsurfer

Noth wrote: »

..........................BTW, you can access end game content (Craglorn) at VR1. ..................

Well in the Craglorn Trailor, Paul Sage specifically states that the Craglorn content starts at V10 but I just noticed on the website that zone is designed for VR1+ ............ so what is it?

Is it viable for V1 characters? or do I have to V10 to be able to do stuff in Craglorn? Is Paul Sage correct or is the website correct?

Because if Craglorn is designed for V1 and upwards, then i'll just go create a new character until patch 1.1 comes out , because I don't want to play through other faction quests on the same character.

Noth

Brimsurfer wrote: »

Noth wrote: »

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Basically, this complaint comes down to "I don't like your way, do it my way because I like it better." .......................

Basically you don't want to acknowledge the flaws in the reasoning behind these weak design choices.

There are flaws in the game. A flaw is not something that you do not like. A flaw is something wrong with the game. If you don't like something about the game that does not mean that it is a flaw.

Brimsurfer wrote: »

Noth wrote: »

..........................BTW, you can access end game content (Craglorn) at VR1. ..................

Well in the Craglorn Trailor, Paul Sage specifically states that the Craglorn content starts at V10 but I just noticed on the website that zone is designed for VR1+ ............ so what is it?

Is it viable for V1 characters? or do I have to V10 to be able to do stuff in Craglorn? Is Paul Sage correct or is the website correct?

Because if Craglorn is designed for V1 and upwards, then i'll just go create a new character until patch 1.1 comes out , because I don't want to play through other faction quests on the same character.

You can probably do the zone at VR1 but it will not have enough content to get you through the VR levels

TheBloodartist

This game is just the same kind of grind progression as most other MMOs. One long corridor of content where you need better gear/level/whatever for the next stage.

I am quite fed up with this type of MMO design and will vote with my wallet. Hoping to find better design in places like EQ next, repopulation, etc.

I want my sandbox..

kasain

This is the thing. This game is pretty much like a offline video game.

Do Quest A to B. repeat for lvl 1-15, Then go to a new zone. Then do Quest A to get B for lvl 30-50 and repeat. For the four zones. You can do the mages and fighters guild while you are at it, but thats only a few small things to throw you off.

Now that you are lvl 50, you can do all the main storyline, and finish your one faction line. If you don't do it, and are v1, that sto back. We will cockblock you so you MUST do it. We don't want you to explore, or make friends, we want you to beat ALL the content we made in order.

So now you beat the faction and storyline, congratulations. Please, now do a different faction. And after you do that you can do a third. You can't even mix these two factions up. You must do them in order!

Oh and to prevent you from getting bored you can spam three dungeons we made and repeat them 100x.

Oh, and now that you done that, you can do our new zone we made, congratulations, you are rank 10! All your friends are lvl 45-50 or V1-7. That to bad, leave them behind you can't help them do anything. But either join them on PvP or kill them if they are on an opposite team.

Game is tuely A to B and lonesome. There seems to be so little choice of different events you can do to prevent burnout or Borden. Even if they make a lot of content. Oh and congratulations sucker, here are some costumes for all your hard work on V ranks. Forget us giving you gear, stats up or skill points. But thank you for your continued subscription.

Zazar

I don't get the point that casual gamers are complaining because they can't reach max lvl in one month. Wake up and remember old days.

kasain

Zazar wrote: »

I don't get the point that casual gamers are complaining because they can't reach max lvl in one month. Wake up and remember old days.

I don't care if it takes one or six months. And I am sure many others don't. What many people care about is you only really have one choice at a time of things to do. And most the time you can't even do it with a friend who signed up with you or friends you tried making in game.

guterreeb17_ESO

Zazar wrote: »

I don't get the point that casual gamers are complaining because they can't reach max lvl in one month. Wake up and remember old days.

In the old day ppl died at 25, lets go back to that to...

It's called progress get familiar with it, it is a really nice thing to have.

South_of_Heaven

I don't care if it takes one or six months. I like slow leveling.

BUT - This is not leveling!

It's a boring grind of the rest 2/3 of the game without character development and better scaled rewards. You "max out" your character at 50ish with all these skill points you get. What's left to look forward to?

Rosveen

Sihnfahl wrote: »

Brimsurfer wrote: »

Oh wait I remember Cadwall (or however its spelled) put a spell on me to make them friendly to me, so why doesn't he put a spell on the leaders of 3 faction and make them friendly and the conflict will be resolved.

Well, it's more of a power of Meridia's Light to put you into an 'alternate' realm where you ended up as part of the other faction, instead of your original. A 'what if' scenario based on the premise of fate choosing you to be part of that faction.

Fate? That would work only if I had amnesia and was a puppet without free will, unable to make my own decisions. For some reason it doesn't sound like fun.

Kendaric

Zazar wrote: »

I don't get the point that casual gamers are complaining because they can't reach max lvl in one month. Wake up and remember old days.

The time investment isn't the problem for most people, it never was. It's the way the veteran ranks were implemented.

Wouldn't it have been great to travel a 50+ Tamriel where members of all factions could interact?
Wouldn't it have been great to see what happens after the 1-49 events? To see whether Bleakrock would be resettled, perhaps aid in the resettling? To see Camlorn in the process of rebuilding and recovering from Faolchu's reign of terror?
Wouldn't it be great to have 50+ Tamriel as more of a sandbox than themepark?
They could have added in random quests like the Radiant quests in Skyrim, which would have eliminated the need for area storyline quests.

But no, we get rehashed 1-49 content instead. That's the main gripe with the veteran ranks, aside from no viable alternative to gain veteran points which I think are valid complaints.

jetreesb14a_ESO

Stop thinking of the level cap as 50 and stop the QQ. The level cap is VR10...

Morthur

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Guppet

It trebles the effort and time needed to reach level cap. It removes all alternative content to do on alts.

This game will have the least alts of any MMO ever.

You damn sure better like your main character, as your going to have to spend approximately 15 days played to reach level cap in this game (compared to about 5 days played, in the likes of SWTOR or WOW). So if you want to reroll to a different class, you'll probably quit before it gets to level cap.

Lanatireb17_ESO

Veteran ranks are to cover up that there is no endgame.

frwinters_ESO

Its a game. Play it. If you don't like it stop playing it. If you think the quests are boring don't do them. We are all paying for this product but you as a consumer have the right to stop paying for it and move on. If you want to continue paying for the product and do not like something you have the right to voice it, but also come up with a solution. No one likes someone who whines and complains. Send some /feedback to the devs with your problem AND figure out possible solutions. Whining gets you no where.

Brimsurfer

Well I may not be able to play much these days, but I do take my progress very seriously , I have been hardcore pve/pvp player in several other MMORPGs before ESO and I was looking to do the same with ESO but this whole other factions' zone questing for completely insignificant experience has totally put me off the game and I am not alone in this, this article from IGN which was published yesterday confirms that this is the real issue and its putting the people off the game.

http://au.ign.com/articles/2014/05/05/the-trouble-with-elder-scrolls-onlines-veteran-content

This needs to be done the right way. I stopped playing the game about 10 days ago and have no intention to come back BUT I love ES series and I will come back if the veteran content is altered for the better, because the state its in right now, it has no appeal to me whatsoever. I don't like to be forced to do insignificant and unnecessary stuff.

This is not a complaint for more end game content, this is the feedback on the current state of veteran content. There is no point in running around and starting the opposite faction quests from ground zero on your level capped character its just annoying waste of time and I refuse to be forced do it.

Please fix this so I can come back to the game and enjoy the ES universe.

harnessedyeti9

Agree. Zenimax, fix the Veteran ranked gameplay or your losing my sub sooner as opposed to later.