is the eso community the worst...

Svann

for buying gold? I mean to say, if the gold seller problem is the worst in any American mmo then that implies that the gold buyer problem is also the worst. Why do eso people feel no shame in buying gold?

rawne1980b16_ESO

Gold selling is bad in any MMO with a currency.

I see no difference here than any other MMO i've played.

Chili

WoW has a much bigger gold selling/buying problem than ESO and has for many, many years.

You aren't going to stop people from buying gold in their chosen game, it's just not going to happen. You can only make it slightly less easier...slightly.

Svann

Chili wrote: »

WoW has a much bigger gold selling/buying problem than ESO and has for many, many years.

I played wow not too long ago and you dont see 1% of the gold spam you see in eso, and wow has free to play accounts so it doesnt cost them anything at all when they get bannned.

Gohlar

adamrussell52_ESO wrote: »

Chili wrote: »

WoW has a much bigger gold selling/buying problem than ESO and has for many, many years.

I played wow not too long ago and you dont see 1% of the gold spam you see in eso, and wow has free to play accounts so it doesnt cost them anything at all when they get bannned.

This is true, no comparison.

This forum really needs to take off the blinders and stop saying "everything is fine" to literally every single thread.

Lazarus_Long

I don't think many people are buying it at all, yet. If the gold seller spam gets wiped out fast enough the vast majority of players will not do it all, but if it is allowed to linger too long then more and more players will say "Why not buy gold? A little bit won't hurt."

That's the thing about marketing. It takes time for a campaign to gain momentum and have an effect. When was the last time you saw a cola ad while walking down a busy street? You see them every time, but your brain no longer consciously processes them after seeing so many of them. That's what the gold sellers are trying to do with their spam.

If they can get people to buy early in ESO then they will never be gone until ZOS develops the technology to keep them out of the game for good. On the other hand, if ZOS does this sooner rather than later they will only be a minor annoyance that can we look back on and say "Hey, do you remember that gold spam that went like '---**---***---'?"

Orizuru

Why does it even matter? You can't prove it one way or the other and the argument isn't constructive. ZOS is working on ways to deal with the problem and the only thing we can do as players to help is report the violators we see.

demendred

I remember hearing when A realm Reborn came out, there were RMTs up the wazoo. Gold sellers saws a new game, and decided to do their parasitic thing.

Elsonso

ESO is the new kid on the block. As other games come out, the attention will shift away from ESO.

rawne1980b16_ESO

Gohlar wrote: »

This is true, no comparison.

This forum really needs to take off the blinders and stop saying "everything is fine" to literally every single thread.

Didn't say everything was fine, I said it's no different than what I see in other MMO's.

Jeremy

adamrussell52_ESO wrote: »

for buying gold? I mean to say, if the gold seller problem is the worst in any American mmo then that implies that the gold buyer problem is also the worst. Why do eso people feel no shame in buying gold?

I've seen worse. But it wasn't an American MMO.

For example: when Final Fantasy 14 was re-released, the gold spam was so bad it was simply impossible to have any type of discussion that wasn't generated by gold-selling bots. The town chats were basically a continuous spam. And even today they still have a heavy presence, though not nearly so bad as soon after launch.

This game definitely has problems with it. But I'd rate it somewhere in-between. Definitely not the best. But not the worst either.

As far as shame - they don't feel shame because they don't feel they are doing anything wrong. They don't care about the damage it does to the game over-all and how it affects the rest of us. They should. But they don't.

But cheaters are usually selfish like that. It's in their DNA I think.

Worstluck

I can't believe that there are people who are buying a lot of currency from these places. Gold is not hard to come by...I just see spam, that thanks to filters and what not makes absolutely no sense to me. The only gold sink initially is potentially a horse, but after that you really don't need gold. I've just spending mine on respecs whenever I feel like it and I still have quite a bit.

I have a feeling that the spam will die out regardless after the new sheen wears off from the game, like pretty much every other game I've played.

Thunder

adamrussell52_ESO wrote: »

for buying gold? I mean to say, if the gold seller problem is the worst in any American mmo then that implies that the gold buyer problem is also the worst. Why do eso people feel no shame in buying gold?

Personally, I can't imagine why anyone would buy gold in ESO. Therefore I have to assume the gold sellers are merely speculating that there will be a market for them eventually and are attempting to build up their resources.

As far as ESO being the worst for gold sellers... nah, I hardly think so. I remember in WoW every single day the gold sellers would run into Stormwind on level 1 priests, levitate into the air and plummet to their death spelling out the URL of their site in corpses on the ground.

Nox_Aeterna

Have you seen the gold sinks they got in this game?

Ofc people buy gold.

Hell , even i feel the desire to buy gold , still im smart enough to know , crap follows in that path.

jircris11

Gold sellers will remain as long as people buy gold, people will buy gold as long as it allows them to get ahead of the pack. It is a little cycle that will continue in every mmo. I have played just about every free mmo out there and honestly ESO is tame compared to them. as for WoW, i logged on today and within 5 mins got 7 PMs from gold sellers so they are still there.

Lanatireb17_ESO

I have never, in any mmo, see as many goldspammers as i have seen here, and even after installing 2 addons that are supposed to filter them i stilll see them every 2 minutes.

Ashigaru

demendred wrote: »

I remember hearing when A realm Reborn came out, there were RMTs up the wazoo. Gold sellers saws a new game, and decided to do their parasitic thing.

And SE decided to do blanket bans of everyone with x amount of gil on them and once you are banned they get in no hurry to change that decisions. I had a lot of friends that were hit with the last blanket bans and some of them are still trying to get their accounts reviewed and that happened in december of last year.

I don't think this game is any worse than any others. I just think the majority of the community seems to be in the lower end of the lvl range and that is where you are seeing it, in Auridon, but once you get out of that area you don't see any kind of gold spam.

mutharex

Ashigaru wrote: »

demendred wrote: »

I remember hearing when A realm Reborn came out, there were RMTs up the wazoo. Gold sellers saws a new game, and decided to do their parasitic thing.

And SE decided to do blanket bans of everyone with x amount of gil on them and once you are banned they get in no hurry to change that decisions. I had a lot of friends that were hit with the last blanket bans and some of them are still trying to get their accounts reviewed and that happened in december of last year.

This. And even in GW2 there were loads of bots and gold sellers (more or less like in TESO) and a lot of people that enjoy farming/grinding mobs as a playstyle were pissed off about the countermeasures.

It's not easy, otherwise no game would have them

Ashigaru

Jeremy wrote: »

adamrussell52_ESO wrote: »

for buying gold? I mean to say, if the gold seller problem is the worst in any American mmo then that implies that the gold buyer problem is also the worst. Why do eso people feel no shame in buying gold?

I've seen worse. But it wasn't an American MMO.

For example: when Final Fantasy 14 was re-released, the gold spam was so bad it was simply impossible to have any type of discussion that wasn't generated by gold-selling bots. The town chats were basically a continuous spam. And even today they still have a heavy presence, though not nearly so bad as soon after launch.

This game definitely has problems with it. But I'd rate it somewhere in-between. Definitely not the best. But not the worst either.

As far as shame - they don't feel shame because they don't feel they are doing anything wrong. They don't care about the damage it does to the game over-all and how it affects the rest of us. They should. But they don't.

But cheaters are usually selfish like that. It's in their DNA I think.

you can tell which bots came from FF 14 arr because on the end of their spammage they have total random numbers like ar12r , thats what they used to get around the spam filter built into FF.

MercyKilling

After seeing zone chat and forum discussions(not just this forum, but TESORP and Tamriel Foundry....it seems universal that the playerbase despises gold spam...but they all also think there are people that actually purchase gold.

I don't. I think the spammers are NOT getting the business they want, so they're becoming more aggressive in their tactics because their supervisors are pushing them to.

Think about it. It's pretty universally known that you're practically GIVING away your account and CC # to people that are going to steal both....so why bother with it anyway? Heck, it's likely that even GOING to the site will infect your computer, so why bother?
This cuts into the profits of the "business" so now they're floundering and trying anything they can to stay afloat in this game. Pretty soon now it'll reach the point where they're bleeding cash just to stay in the game, and at that point, a decision will likely have to be made on whether or not to stay involved. A few will likely stay, as that's the nature of the beast....but I'll bet we'll see a marked drop once subscription fee time hits.

Ashigaru

MercyKilling wrote: »

After seeing zone chat and forum discussions(not just this forum, but TESORP and Tamriel Foundry....it seems universal that the playerbase despises gold spam...but they all also think there are people that actually purchase gold.

I don't. I think the spammers are NOT getting the business they want, so they're becoming more aggressive in their tactics because their supervisors are pushing them to.

Think about it. It's pretty universally known that you're practically GIVING away your account and CC # to people that are going to steal both....so why bother with it anyway? Heck, it's likely that even GOING to the site will infect your computer, so why bother?
This cuts into the profits of the "business" so now they're floundering and trying anything they can to stay afloat in this game. Pretty soon now it'll reach the point where they're bleeding cash just to stay in the game, and at that point, a decision will likely have to be made on whether or not to stay involved. A few will likely stay, as that's the nature of the beast....but I'll bet we'll see a marked drop once subscription fee time hits.

I don't wear the tin foil hat as tight as others, if someone is buying gold there is no account access they are just doing a trade or as in some games buying a low priced item over the auction house for a large amount (someone selling a berry on the auction for 1million gold, kind of obvious in that example but its been used in the past) but really if you think about it i would gamble that one of the main reasons we have an auction setup like we do is to combat gold sellers.

The sellers use the auction houses to transfer and move gold through the system, i guess you could say they laundry it. With our current setup that can be limited to a very minimum so you would be dealing with face to face transfers of gold and i would think that would be easier to catch. so maybe the auction setup is a good thing for us in the long run.

Csub

It's not THAT hard to collect gold, just don't deconstruct everything. I sometimes still do that but at least my professions are getting better. And I always sell items with ornate traits. Maybe I should learn if I can so I can craft a lot to sell.

Anyway if people buy gold,.they will most likely get their account, maybe even credit card, hacked which they deserve.

Lalai

Outside of the main city areas I haven't seen a lot of gold spam. I get maybe 1-2 mails for it a day, if that.. .so it's kinda close (for me) to what I use to get in WoW. FFXIV is still worse for me. Logging in I immediately get 3-4 whispers, and then a few more a little later if I stay on for any extended period of time.

Of course, that could be because I'm out of the lower level zone. When I've gone back to Glenumbra it can be pretty bad.

neocomab16_ESO

cuz you can make tons of gold with dalies in wow while here you get gold for only questing ...making gold effing rare as it is is paradise for gold sellers. Zenimax themselves created, if at all, huge demand for gold. Blame them.

fredarbonab14_ESO

So you are ~assuming~ because there are so many Gold Sellers in a NEW game mind you, this shows how the community is? May I suggest a very important course during your educational journey called - Logic 101!

Kyotee0071

In all honesty, when I saw that ESO was not going to have an actual In game Auction House my first thought was great, Gold Sellers won't be an issue in this game.

Boy was I wrong. But I still can't see why anyone would buy gold in this game. I watch a lot of pvp vids and twitch streamers, and when they open their inventory they have a load of gold. So I'm thinking coin won't be an issue in this game.

cubansyrusb16_ESO

adamrussell52_ESO wrote: »

Chili wrote: »

WoW has a much bigger gold selling/buying problem than ESO and has for many, many years.

I played wow not too long ago and you dont see 1% of the gold spam you see in eso, and wow has free to play accounts so it doesnt cost them anything at all when they get bannned.

I think you forgot this is a MEGA server unlikes most games MULTI servers, being on a MEGA server makes it seem like there is alot more than on the MULTI servers

Lalai

@Kyotee0071‌ Gold isn't really much of an issue at later levels. Starting out though it can be hard. Horses don't have a requirement so there's a sense that you "need" one.. bank space can quickly fill up if you're holding onto everything and bank/bags get expensive to uprgade fast. There's a lot of "need it now" mentality, and the loads of gold don't tend to come in till later in the game (level 35+ I've been getting tons of it).

Taid

The reason why you see no goldsellers in WOW is because they dont have to... most wow player know where to buy gold and they do it.. believe me.. they buy gold, they buy bots, they use them, they recommend them to their friends, they feel no shame because noone gives a *** about in this game. IMO The wow community is the worst in MMO at it current state.

They even buy achievments, boss kills and stuff from elite-guilds and dont even stop from real money. Pvp Ratings? Title? You can nearly buy everything... one the mainreasons i stopped years ago actively playing. I reactivated now and then to check what happened since, and believe everytime i came back it was a bit worse. December was the last time i played for 3 weeks maybe, before i didnt played for 9 month or so. And im pretty it was the last time .

So yes, Eso is definitly not the worst community, not as long as Blizzard successfully grabs all the bad and young gamer and let them do as they want.

True Story

Kyotee0071

@Lalai Whao - All very good points. Those banks slots can be expensive. I guess I'm still riding around on my slow 1G mount Imperial Edition mount. I agree with you 100 % on all of your points.

Lalai

Kyotee0071 wrote: »

Whao - All very good points. Those banks slots can be expensive. I guess I'm still riding around on my slow 1G mount Imperial Edition mount. I agree with you 100 % on all of your points.

I got a speedy mount (by level 43 you get more than enough gold for it) the other day and have it stabled for when I want to pvp. Still have my trusty imperial one for carrying capacity, which is what I've been leveling it for. I never really ride on it though, in all honesty. When questing I tend to go everywhere on foot and gather all the things, look for chests and all that good stuff. So not having a horse likely wouldn't bother me.. I thought it would (which is honestly why I bought the imperial edition, that and the maps), but seeing how much I actually use it, I now know it wouldn't.

As far as bag/bank space goes.. that one is tricky. I'm a semi-hoarder. I keep all the trophy items I get, just cause. I tend to gather some amount of all the crafting ingredients. I have a mule specifically for provisioning, and one to hold essence runes for enchanting, and potency runes I'm not high enough level for yet, as well as pets/excess treasure maps.

There was a bit of a learning curve I had to go through so that I didn't spend hours on inventory management though. I started discarding provisioning mats I'd outleveled. They're easy to get, I know I'll always loot all the things, and if I level an alt all I need to do is focus on gathering stuff specific to the recipe the alt needs. Once I have so much of a provisioning ingredient (around 30) that is part of a recipe I'm not actively using, I store it on the mule and stop gathering it on my main so it won't take up bag/bank space. I stopped collecting essence runes that were part of things I didn't actively need, and that I already had plenty of.

I still need to character hop between the three characters every so often (once every 2 days or so), but at least it's not multiple times every session. The mule thing doesn't bother me, as I've needed them in every MMO I've ever played. I really should learn to let go of stuff, lol.

Anyway.. that was slightly off topic, but maybe it'll help someone to manage stuff in a way that makes life a tad easier.