First Thoughts...

RatsnevE

I'm going to cancel my subscription but continue trying to play and enjoy for as long as I can stand it. My guess is I may be taking on too many quests at this point and running into too many and ill prepared problems.

When the subscription runs out what happens? Do the characters I'm playing with and all their resources and achievements all disappear so that if in the future I want to continue again I can't pick up where I left off?

If you are new to MMOs why can't you jump into the game like you can jump into Skyrim and play and enjoy. MMOs are painful and although I've played others they all have had steep learning curves. Someone should come up with a real hands-on tutorial for a solo gamer and when graduated from that then turn them lose on the world for solo or group.

Shimond

All your characters are saved on their server. They'll be there if you decide to come back.

demendred

Well, the closest thing I can think of when it comes to a single player mmo experience would be the Dot Hack series. Of course, you need a playstation 2.

mutharex

The biggest accusation that people throw at this game is that it's too solo friendly, almost a SPRPG. You should try playing it like Skyrim, don't chase quests, explore and you'll find adventures. There are a lot of things to discover

nerevarine1138

I'm really confused by this post.

What tutorials were you lacking?

knaveofengland

what time zone you in I am in England on eu server ebon alliance only , if you on the same I try and help you quest show you some tips , most rush to get end lvl
all you need to do is play get in teams is the answer more xp easier to do and make friends most players go solo for the chest nodes .
pm me in game user name same as post

zaria

Tutorials is pretty much missing in MMO, much of the fun is the "I'm stupid" moment.
In WOW I thought that the deeprun train station was an dungeon so I run away then I saw the gnome.
Worse that boats was just an decoration for a week and I was a Dranei.
Far worse the second boat I took sent me to Northland at level 20, yes I died a lot.

WOW is an more causal game than ESO.

Jonnymorrow

mutharex wrote: »

The biggest accusation that people throw at this game is that it's too solo friendly, almost a SPRPG. You should try playing it like Skyrim, don't chase quests, explore and you'll find adventures. There are a lot of things to discover

Thats not really an Accusation mate, its the truth. There is very little content for me and my group of friends to do together. Problem being thats why we play MMO's.

Its an area that ESO need to improve on a lot.

mutharex

There is actually a lot of content in dungeons, boss areas and the whole VR is more group oriented (see Adventure Zones like Craglorn)

http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/04/07/introducing-craglorn?ref=rss

ZiRM

I've played this solo and with friends and it's a blast both ways. Sorry to see ya go but if it's not your thing it's not your thing.

Azzuria

Playing a pair of Orc Templars with my best friend (She's crunchy and 2-hander, I'm cloth/heavy Caster ) and while some of the content is a little easy for us, stuff like World Bosses and the occasional Delve, not inhabited by bots, is more challenging. Either way, it's plenty fun.

Either way, hope you enjoy the remainder of your time in Tamriel writ large and y'all come back now, ya hear!

RatsnevE

mutharex wrote: »

The biggest accusation that people throw at this game is that it's too solo friendly, almost a SPRPG. You should try playing it like Skyrim, don't chase quests, explore and you'll find adventures. There are a lot of things to discover

Like what? I explore and get into a new area and a new quest that starts off interesting and ends up yet another disaster. What's the point? How do I build a character if I don't gain experience and level up. I'm not playing the game just to craft items. What happens when everything is explored? Does that make it worth $60 + n months?

nerevarine1138

RatsnevE wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

The biggest accusation that people throw at this game is that it's too solo friendly, almost a SPRPG. You should try playing it like Skyrim, don't chase quests, explore and you'll find adventures. There are a lot of things to discover

Like what? I explore and get into a new area and a new quest that starts off interesting and ends up yet another disaster. What's the point? How do I build a character if I don't gain experience and level up. I'm not playing the game just to craft items. What happens when everything is explored? Does that make it worth $60 + n months?

I don't understand. What do you mean when you say it ends in disaster? And how are you not leveling up?

Trust me, by the time you're "done" exploring, Craglorn will be out. And possibly even another update.

RatsnevE

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'm really confused by this post.

What tutorials were you lacking?

Battle tactics and their proper use and strategy. But I need to finish reading through the in-game Help now overdue.

Shimond

Did you skip the intro? It explains the kinds of attacks and you get warnings on screen as well when you should be blocking, dodging or interrupting.

Gedalya

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'm really confused by this post.

What tutorials were you lacking?

I agree; it's not clear if OP is seeking Feedback, venting, or asking a question. It is possible that MMOs in general are not your thing [OP]. Have you played any of the competition? Such as WoW, LOTRO, SWTOR? Also, if you have multiple characters try focusing on one and taking it one quest at a time; also try all that the game has to offer including PvP. I love the game but found I ran into problems early on; and was dieing often as I had skipped ahead. Just take it easy and try and enjoy.

RatsnevE

If the intro is your PC's initial escape from prison then no, I've played through the intro a couple times now--not skipping it. I'm aware of blocking, dodging, and interrupting but not so much of the on screen warnings or any critique as whether I got it right or not. That will certainly be a good starting point.

Shimond

RatsnevE wrote: »

If the intro is your PC's initial escape from prison then no, I've played through the intro a couple times now--not skipping it. I'm aware of blocking, dodging, and interrupting but not so much of the on screen warnings or any critique as whether I got it right or not. That will certainly be a good starting point.

I think the first time you experience them it gives you the warning then is off by default. You can turn them back on in the settings, though I can't recall the name of the option offhand. Will help if you're not aware of the visual clues on the mobs.

jircris11

I am sorry ESO is not to your liking, perhaps it will be in time. My advice is go play another mmo for a while and in a few months try ESO once more. I have found running from quest to quest to be far less enjoyable then exploring and getting in to places you should not be. As for tutorial, unless you were referring to the lack of crafting tutorial this game has one of the better ones i have seen.

RatsnevE

Gedalya wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I'm really confused by this post.

What tutorials were you lacking?

I agree; it's not clear if OP is seeking Feedback, venting, or asking a question. It is possible that MMOs in general are not your thing [OP]. Have you played any of the competition? Such as WoW, LOTRO, SWTOR? Also, if you have multiple characters try focusing on one and taking it one quest at a time; also try all that the game has to offer including PvP. I love the game but found I ran into problems early on; and was dieing often as I had skipped ahead. Just take it easy and try and enjoy.

I played all the way through PvE in Guild Wars 2 and recently all the way through Path of Exile PvE except for Maps. I don't play multi-player so I've never played Wow or its like. I never play PvP having a great adversity to being PK'd--period. Oh, I messed with it in GW2--got PK'd too when by myself because I was expecting it would happen in that environment. In a group it was easy because everyone could and did heal or be healed. That's a lot more costly here in ESO.

So ESO will be Solo PvE only for me. I've helped others in surface battles and watched or ignored others depending on what I was up to or what trouble another PC might really be in and needing help.

If ESO's purpose is... [snip] ...just have a great adventure? [A terrible sentence I'm not fixing--sorry.] Talking to Zenimax though I don't get this impression. But I also don't think they know what to do about it. [Edit... rather then fix the sentence I'll just delete it since I think it incites.]

I have enough gaming experience in all genres over the years to feel confident I will be successful working out proper battle tactics--it's just a matter of time and not giving up with frustration--which clearly is a very weak point for me.

RatsnevE

mutharex wrote: »

The biggest accusation that people throw at this game is that it's too solo friendly, almost a SPRPG. You should try playing it like Skyrim, don't chase quests, explore and you'll find adventures. There are a lot of things to discover

I'd agree if the accusations are coming from die-hard experienced beta MMO players but I doubt seriously this comes from new inexperienced ESO players who may have no or very little MMO experience--like me. I could show you how easily I can die even when carelessly managing a crab!

This is the problem with games like MMO's and/or things like Path of Exile. There are plenty of experienced players who love it tougher and tougher and new gamers trying to mix it up who would like it easier valuing other aspects of the game then a die-hard battle. But it seems real tough for the developer to manage both because they refuse to build in some AI to offer a new gamer easier battles. In the MMO world you can't isolate different gamers. Maybe you can stay away from PvP--I do--but you can't and you don't want to stay away from PvE where everything else is.

What would be real cool would be if a new solo only PC could have an active companion to help out in solo battles/dungeons. That companion would break out of any battle once any other PC entered to help unless just passing through and not helping.

Maybe this companion could be measured so that once it was clear you know what you are doing it would disappear--it would be part of an extended tutorial if you like. It would sure be more fun then beating my head against a wall wondering what in the *** I was still doing wrong dying over and over again...

PBpsy

RatsnevE wrote: »

If ESO's purpose is to constantly present challenging battles or harass me because I haven't played other MMOs Solo, over and above its story and adventure because that is what die-hard PvP PCs want more then anything, who can't be satisfied with the variety of special events, then Zenimax has done this game a disservice listening so hard to experienced MMO beta players while paying no attention to gamers new to MMOs, who more than anything might like to just have a great adventure? [A terrible sentence I'm not fixing--sorry.] Talking to Zenimax though I don't get this impression. But I also don't think they know what to do about it.

What in Oblivion!?
Yes PvPers are all about lore, quests and immersion.

RatsnevE

What do you mean, "What is Oblivion"? I don't understand your point? I'm far far away from any PvP realm still. It remains to be seen whether I ever enter into it beyond PvE.

Eris

One thing on the subject of what do I do when I've explored everything. Once you have completed the alliance you begin with, you begin advancing as a veteran. As a veteran you do the quests for the other 2 alliances. By the time you get through all of those, you'll have new expansion areas to explore.

On the subject of tactics. If a big red area lights up around you, move out of it. Some creatures require that you move around a lot to fight, my experience is these creatures are mostly in the main solo story quests, but sometimes they pop up in other quests. Those beholder looking guys are a good example of something not to stand in one place to fight. The big eye with the tentacles on the head, they tend to fire out a lightning wave that if you get hit by one of the arcs it's hard to recover from, but if you move fast enough you're good.

Some times you just have to watch the enemy too. For instance, a group of mobs with a healer, you just run up on the healer, when he lifts his staff up, you whack him with an interrupt and kill him dead, then wipe out the others.

PBpsy

RatsnevE wrote: »

What do you mean, "What is Oblivion"? I don't understand your point? I'm far far away from any PvP realm still. It remains to be seen whether I ever enter into it beyond PvE.

Have you played any of the single player Elder Scrolls games? They are probably more what you want and will probably give you more appreciation for TESO.

My previous post was just saying that a lot of PvP players are not interested at all in PvE. In fact they hate that they have to partake in any PVE to be very efficient PVP . Their goal is mostly to find ways of skipping the PVE part.

knaveofengland

in all mmos first tip find a guild that does pve and pvp events , then you have friends who in most cases lend you a hand here and there.
this does work 1 guild I am in does pvp most nights so we all learning to group plan work as a team, that's what I think most are looking for

RatsnevE

PBpsy wrote: »

RatsnevE wrote: »

What do you mean, "What is Oblivion"? I don't understand your point? I'm far far away from any PvP realm still. It remains to be seen whether I ever enter into it beyond PvE.

Have you played any of the single player Elder Scrolls games? They are probably more what you want and will probably give you more appreciation for TESO.

My previous post was just saying that a lot of PvP players are not interested at all in PvE. In fact they hate that they have to partake in any PVE to be very efficient PVP . Their goal is mostly to find ways of skipping the PVE part.

I've played all the sp TES games and loved them--but as single player if a battle got to frustrating for me I would use a cheat to get past that point--something you just don't think of trying with MMO PvE.

This is my grip with Zenimax too. There isn't a good way of balancing PvP with PvE it seems and that's too bad. Let them skip PvE--I plan to skip PvP and the game is plenty challenging for me so far.

RatsnevE

knaveofengland wrote: »

in all mmos first tip find a guild that does pve and pvp events , then you have friends who in most cases lend you a hand here and there.
this does work 1 guild I am in does pvp most nights so we all learning to group plan work as a team, that's what I think most are looking for

Here's the problem... I never use to play MMOs or any multiplayer games because I prefer to play by myself. I still don't play multiplayer but MMO developers seem interested in drawing in Solo players--so I'm drawn in. If developer's don't want Solo players or won't cater to them at all then they should say so and so should the game reviews and I'd stay away because who wants to try to get through a group MMO battle all by yourself? I think there are some clever ways the two groups can effectively mix it up in PvE but not so much in PvP.

Altheina

RatsnevE wrote: »

If you are new to MMOs why can't you jump into the game like you can jump into Skyrim and play and enjoy. MMOs are painful and although I've played others they all have had steep learning curves. Someone should come up with a real hands-on tutorial for a solo gamer and when graduated from that then turn them lose on the world for solo or group.

The two points highlighted in bold are contradicting to one another; how could you expect to jump right into actions where you expect hand holding session to put you through the beginning of your journey?

With regards to you wanting 'real hands-on tutorial', not sure what you really expect from this but one good way is to search information you need about things you want to know as well as get friendly with other players or even join guilds(you can join up to 5 in this game) and you can begin asking questions...

PBpsy

RatsnevE wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

RatsnevE wrote: »

What do you mean, "What is Oblivion"? I don't understand your point? I'm far far away from any PvP realm still. It remains to be seen whether I ever enter into it beyond PvE.

Have you played any of the single player Elder Scrolls games? They are probably more what you want and will probably give you more appreciation for TESO.

My previous post was just saying that a lot of PvP players are not interested at all in PvE. In fact they hate that they have to partake in any PVE to be very efficient PVP . Their goal is mostly to find ways of skipping the PVE part.

I've played all the sp TES games and loved them--but as single player if a battle got to frustrating for me I would use a cheat to get past that point--something you just don't think of trying with MMO PvE.

This is my grip with Zenimax too. There isn't a good way of balancing PvP with PvE it seems and that's too bad. Let them skip PvE--I plan to skip PvP and the game is plenty challenging for me so far.

You do realize that you are not required to do any PvP in this game do you?

Also you are pissed of at ZOS for not allowing cheats in the game?

/slowlybacksaway.
/shadowydisguise
/runsawayinterror,

RatsnevE

PBpsy wrote: »

RatsnevE wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

RatsnevE wrote: »

What do you mean, "What is Oblivion"? I don't understand your point? I'm far far away from any PvP realm still. It remains to be seen whether I ever enter into it beyond PvE.

Have you played any of the single player Elder Scrolls games? They are probably more what you want and will probably give you more appreciation for TESO.

My previous post was just saying that a lot of PvP players are not interested at all in PvE. In fact they hate that they have to partake in any PVE to be very efficient PVP . Their goal is mostly to find ways of skipping the PVE part.

I've played all the sp TES games and loved them--but as single player if a battle got to frustrating for me I would use a cheat to get past that point--something you just don't think of trying with MMO PvE.

This is my grip with Zenimax too. There isn't a good way of balancing PvP with PvE it seems and that's too bad. Let them skip PvE--I plan to skip PvP and the game is plenty challenging for me so far.

You do realize that you are not required to do any PvP in this game do you?

Also you are pissed of at ZOS for not allowing cheats in the game?

/slowlybacksaway.
/shadowydisguise
/runsawayinterror,

Of course I'm not required to play any PvP. If I was early on I wouldn't have jumped in. It isn't required in the Guild Wars series either; nor in Path of Exile which really isn't an MMO but a fun play all the same. Don't think PvP is required in Wow but I've never played any Wow. If I had played much Wow I wouldn't be so wet behind the ears.

No, I'm not pissed at ZOS, I wouldn't consider cheating in an MMO or multiplayer or anything online that would affect other players. I'm pissed at die-hard PvP gamers who want to see ESO turn even harder for non-die-hard gamers who have a world of PvE adventuring to get through. Too bad ESO couldn't have two instances that you pick one of and play from start to finish--PvE or PvP. PvE would be more Solo oriented of course because it would be "so easy". And the PvP world would be as tough as you guys want to make it.

I'm pretty sure you die-hard-beta-PvP'ers have gotten more out of ZOS then us wimpy PvE'ers. You've got everything honed perfectly put still to easy over the months of gaming while I'm still trying to get ZOS's attention that maybe things still aren't quit balanced for the more 'casual' MMO gamer.