What the point

Fersaken

Ok so last night I sat down to play like I always do. 5-6 hours before going to bed. I am VR2 and as usual I went and started questing. After being online for an hour I logged off and did something else.

I like quests don't get me wrong, and I don't even mind the grind but every mmo I have ever played rewards you for your time and effort put in. This game doesn't. I refuse to do dungeons, mainly because there is no point to doing them. I mean you get grand soul gems for sure, but that is about it.

I am a lvl 50 black smith, provision, and working on enchanting which is a pain in the pants.

I don't know if I am close to quitting or not, but right now I could go either way.

I love the terrain and the graphics. I even think being a full tank ( DK ) has its benefits unlike other threads posted here.

I guess I would just like something more than questing to do.

djosh79cub18_ESO

I just look at the Vet ranks as more leveling. I think that maybe it could be made more clear that Vet ranks are NOT end game?

As you are leveling(at least for me) you kind of get this feeling that hitting Veteran is some type of end to the journey of leveling. I had this odd feeling during the first 50 levels that Vet rank was some type of quasi end game type of thing. Sort of like most other MMOs when you hit the max level. The thing is.....V1 is definitely not max level or end game.

I've just put in my mind that V10 is max level and you basically have to level to 150(if looking at in terms of XP and levels like the first 50). More leveling is better than sitting around with my thumb up my ass waiting for end game to be patched in.

Fersaken

I agree, but its not so much that I mind the grind. More that I mind there is only one version of grinding.

I want more to do than quest.

Bweefk

I did the same thing last night. the quests are great but sometimes you need to run a dungeon or do some PVP to break it up. Unfortunately doing anything but questing is pointless because your not progressing your character.

AlienPrimate

I say who cares if you gain levels. Games aren't meant to be a chore with the only goal being to get to the next rank. They are meant to be for your enjoyment. If the only reason you are playing is to rush the max rank in any game while complaining about how the ranking up is done, I think you should find a new hobby. My conclusion to this post is that if you plan to continue playing this, don't try rushing vr 10 and then just get bored with the game that you were never really having fun with in the first place.

Xaei

I'm not going to tell you how you should play the game but, from what I've gathered, ESO isn't supposed to be played like WoW/Wildstar/Rift/FF14 etc, where its basically get to max level ASAP so you can enjoy the good stuff (makes you wonder why they put anything before endgame in those games when its just filler material).

Chirru

Xaei wrote: »

I'm not going to tell you how you should play the game but, from what I've gathered, ESO isn't supposed to be played like WoW/Wildstar/Rift/FF14 etc, where its basically get to max level ASAP so you can enjoy the good stuff (makes you wonder why they put anything before endgame in those games when its just filler material).

Indeed. To rush to the top is not the goal of This game. I am with it since Beta and my highest char is level ten.

What have I been doing?
Well...I spend a lot of time creating the Char I like most...something like a week.
I played all of the factions until finally deciding on the one I liked most.
It took me two weeks to finally decide on the Class and the Class build.

What else... ah... I hunted bots and reported them with impunity for hours at a time.

The game (hopefully) will be around for years to come; so I put it into my mind that there is No Rush to get to the top.

There will be new expansions and new things...like gear and quests and areas to explore in time, and I look forward to it.

Maybe I even try PvP once Z-Max got all the Cheaters removed...
There is always something to do... oh yes, I have a real life somewhere stashed away also. I wonder what happened to it? Well, I better go and have a look.

surge914b14_ESO

Dungeons aren't that bad. Especially if you've been questing by yourself then that's probably why. Get in a dungeon and get that feel of having to do your thing to work as a group and strategize to take down bosses. Plus there's PvP which is good as well. Dungeons give you one skill point so it's worth doing it at least once.

Keiffo

Fersaken wrote: »

Ok so last night I sat down to play like I always do. 5-6 hours before going to bed. I am VR2 and as usual I went and started questing. After being online for an hour I logged off and did something else.

I like quests don't get me wrong, and I don't even mind the grind but every mmo I have ever played rewards you for your time and effort put in. This game doesn't. I refuse to do dungeons, mainly because there is no point to doing them. I mean you get grand soul gems for sure, but that is about it.

I am a lvl 50 black smith, provision, and working on enchanting which is a pain in the pants.

I don't know if I am close to quitting or not, but right now I could go either way.

I love the terrain and the graphics. I even think being a full tank ( DK ) has its benefits unlike other threads posted here.

I guess I would just like something more than questing to do.

I don't like the slow levelling rate either.

I feel like the game forces you to chose between endless quest grind or slightly less time consuming, but repetitive veteran dungeon runs for EXP.

I got the achievement for 1,000 quests complete a few days ago and I couldn't believe it actually popped up on my screen. 1,000 quests no way. I must have switched onto zombie mode because they are so boring. Only about 20 of them were very memorable / entertaining.

The first quest inside the Harborage, where you see the first dark anchor and learn the game story, that felt EPIC to me.

The quest in the dominion where Razum'Dar transforms into the queen, and with her voice, talks like a khajiit, very funny.

The quest chain where you help find and defeat the werewolf boss in Stormhaven was EPIC.

The boss fight on the ship where you fight a kraken or worm looking sea creature and then a boss was very fun.

The quest with Barbas the dog, the very same one from skyrim, in Reaper's march I think, very fun! Because of Skyrim ref.

The public dungeon in Reaper's March where you get to see the Augma Infinium (if that's how you spell it) the book from Skyrim.

Oh dear. I was only able to name 6 very entertaining or memorable quests.

aeroch

Take a break from PvE and progression and join a Cyrodiil campaign if you haven't already. Even if PvP isn't your thing it'll break up the monotony.

If you don't already have a guild you're comfortable with that uses VoIP, find one. It helps a lot and makes any game a lot more enjoyable. Dumb repetitive quests and dungeons are a lot more fun when you're dicking around over voice comm

Asava

AlienPrimate wrote: »

I say who cares if you gain levels. Games aren't meant to be a chore with the only goal being to get to the next rank. They are meant to be for your enjoyment. If the only reason you are playing is to rush the max rank in any game while complaining about how the ranking up is done, I think you should find a new hobby. My conclusion to this post is that if you plan to continue playing this, don't try rushing vr 10 and then just get bored with the game that you were never really having fun with in the first place.

We have to rush to VR5 and VR10 just so that we can wear the f'n gear that drops in the dungeons. Now if ZOS had the IQ of a fly then they would of done dungeons and loot from them to be your VR level instead of VR5 or VR10.

Xaei

If I was Zenimax I'd just completely redesign veteran ranks. Make them give you small benefits but have to content or gear locked behind them.

They're doing more bad than good for the game.

Reinmard

I think the problem is HOW you get experience, mobs, exploration and opening chests no longer gives you exp, so the only way is grind and grind and grind and grind and grind and grind and grind quests.Did I said grind quests?
PD: I love the game and I cannot wait for Craglorn
PD2: Grind quest.

Wifeaggro13

Fersaken wrote: »

Ok so last night I sat down to play like I always do. 5-6 hours before going to bed. I am VR2 and as usual I went and started questing. After being online for an hour I logged off and did something else.

I like quests don't get me wrong, and I don't even mind the grind but every mmo I have ever played rewards you for your time and effort put in. This game doesn't. I refuse to do dungeons, mainly because there is no point to doing them. I mean you get grand soul gems for sure, but that is about it.

I am a lvl 50 black smith, provision, and working on enchanting which is a pain in the pants.

I don't know if I am close to quitting or not, but right now I could go either way.

I love the terrain and the graphics. I even think being a full tank ( DK ) has its benefits unlike other threads posted here.

I guess I would just like something more than questing to do.

The problem is in the design of VR . Lots of holes in their concepts and implementation. Basically VR seems to be the road block and was a time sink to keep the game going while they figured out and adjusted the end game. Lets hope they are fast enough to add content after craglorn . and adjust the ier Vr dungeons and add more of them. Cyrodil will need adjustments and additions it will lose flavor in the long haul. lots of work for them .

Audigy

Bweefk wrote: »

I did the same thing last night. the quests are great but sometimes you need to run a dungeon or do some PVP to break it up. Unfortunately doing anything but questing is pointless because your not progressing your character.

Why can you only play if you get something? This is a wow philosophy that I find wrong in an MMO.

People there spam pvp and dungeons all day, only because its the easiest way to do. Its very simple to sit in town and hit queue all day, but they don't do it because its fun but because its the easiest way.

I would be really disappointed if ZO would change TESO into that direction. The story and the quest´s are what ESO is all about, the dungeons you do once and that's it.


The VR are a chance to explore the story further and they are adding more VR´s as you can see with the patch. My only hope is, that they don't put VR´s into dungeons, but into story elements and new guilds, zones etc.

Dungeon dwellers have wow, so let story dwellers TESO

Zaxq

Asava wrote: »

AlienPrimate wrote: »

I say who cares if you gain levels. Games aren't meant to be a chore with the only goal being to get to the next rank. They are meant to be for your enjoyment. If the only reason you are playing is to rush the max rank in any game while complaining about how the ranking up is done, I think you should find a new hobby. My conclusion to this post is that if you plan to continue playing this, don't try rushing vr 10 and then just get bored with the game that you were never really having fun with in the first place.

We have to rush to VR5 and VR10 just so that we can wear the f'n gear that drops in the dungeons. Now if ZOS had the IQ of a fly then they would of done dungeons and loot from them to be your VR level instead of VR5 or VR10.

Or you could craft lvl-appropriate gear. Which is better.

Asava

Not if you don't craft it isn't. You can't get the mat's needed to build your skills in VR zones. You have to farm your original starting faction to get them then farm coldhabour once you get your crafting up to level.

ZiRM

The rewards for ESO are very lacking. I have to admit that they have only gotten worse in vet ranks. Either I have very bad luck or the drops and rewards have become TERRIBLE in these later stages of the game.

Fersaken

AlienPrimate wrote: »

I say who cares if you gain levels. Games aren't meant to be a chore with the only goal being to get to the next rank. They are meant to be for your enjoyment. If the only reason you are playing is to rush the max rank in any game while complaining about how the ranking up is done, I think you should find a new hobby. My conclusion to this post is that if you plan to continue playing this, don't try rushing vr 10 and then just get bored with the game that you were never really having fun with in the first place.

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Who are you to tell me how YOU think I should play the game. Don't post if you are so biased your opinion carries little weight.

kirnmalidus

First of all you shouldn't be skipping the public dungeons. There are skyshards in there, so if you've skipped them in all the zones leading up to VR you've missed 6 zones worth of dungeons, at 6 dungeons a zone - that's 36 skyshards or 12 skill points.

Regarding only being able to level from questing in VR, they posted the 1.1 patch notes yesterday and one of the updates was more than doubling mob XP in VR.

I've also noticed that the world bosses and dolmens give really good XP for completion in VR (like 10K-20K each).

Fersaken

Some of the posters here are clearly confused.

To the level 10 guy, you will die before you hit VR10 just so you know.

As far as PVP goes, I don't pvp it is a sloppy implementation of PVP. It is always one side etcetc.

What you supporters of this game fail to realize is that there are people much like me who would like to rush to the top because that is where we have fun. Sure, you can say if I don't like the way it is set up then go play another MMO. But this statement is stupid all by itself, without people like me there wouldn't be much of a game to play. Like it or not we are paying to play a game just as much as you are.

If you weren't so biased in defending the game you would see the glaring issues, which are to many to list.

I can hit 50 provisioning at lvl 30, 50 blacksmithing at lvl 40 20 enchanting at VR10. THough I loot everything possible. Tell me how is that balanced.

Look at the utube videos of the builds that can solo VR dungeons, or pretty much anything in the game.

Look at how completely useless a tank build is in the game.

If you seriously can't see the problems with the game then you sir refuse to look at them, because you are to busy doing your 15000 enjoyable quests.

Fersaken

I just wanted to add dungeons are POINTLESS. You can run a dungeon with a full group. You clear it but yet you didn't get a single piece of loot you could use, you got no experience, infact the ONLY thing you got was a repair bill for your armor.

Fersaken

kirnmalidus wrote: »

First of all you shouldn't be skipping the public dungeons. There are skyshards in there, so if you've skipped them in all the zones leading up to VR you've missed 6 zones worth of dungeons, at 6 dungeons a zone - that's 36 skyshards or 12 skill points.

Regarding only being able to level from questing in VR, they posted the 1.1 patch notes yesterday and one of the updates was more than doubling mob XP in VR.

I've also noticed that the world bosses and dolmens give really good XP for completion in VR (like 10K-20K each).

Just so you know the public dungeon bosses only give 171 exp at vr3

kirnmalidus

Fersaken wrote: »

kirnmalidus wrote: »

First of all you shouldn't be skipping the public dungeons. There are skyshards in there, so if you've skipped them in all the zones leading up to VR you've missed 6 zones worth of dungeons, at 6 dungeons a zone - that's 36 skyshards or 12 skill points.

Regarding only being able to level from questing in VR, they posted the 1.1 patch notes yesterday and one of the updates was more than doubling mob XP in VR.

I've also noticed that the world bosses and dolmens give really good XP for completion in VR (like 10K-20K each).

Just so you know the public dungeon bosses only give 171 exp at vr3

I wasn't talking about the public dungeon bosses. Those have always given crap XP. I'm talking about the world bosses with the skull and crossbones on the map.

Alestair

Fersaken wrote: »

I agree, but its not so much that I mind the grind. More that I mind there is only one version of grinding.

I want more to do than quest.

Wrong, there are two versions of grinding.....you certainly don't get around much do you?

Wifeaggro13

Zaxq wrote: »

Asava wrote: »

AlienPrimate wrote: »

I say who cares if you gain levels. Games aren't meant to be a chore with the only goal being to get to the next rank. They are meant to be for your enjoyment. If the only reason you are playing is to rush the max rank in any game while complaining about how the ranking up is done, I think you should find a new hobby. My conclusion to this post is that if you plan to continue playing this, don't try rushing vr 10 and then just get bored with the game that you were never really having fun with in the first place.

We have to rush to VR5 and VR10 just so that we can wear the f'n gear that drops in the dungeons. Now if ZOS had the IQ of a fly then they would of done dungeons and loot from them to be your VR level instead of VR5 or VR10.

Or you could craft lvl-appropriate gear. Which is better.

no were near as good. The purple set gear is beyond good. It has group bonus's

Fersaken

Alestair wrote: »

Fersaken wrote: »

I agree, but its not so much that I mind the grind. More that I mind there is only one version of grinding.

I want more to do than quest.

Wrong, there are two versions of grinding.....you certainly don't get around much do you?

No but if you are speaking of the grinding an endless amount of mobs for little return, no thanks.

You must not get out much.

natsuki

Fersaken wrote: »

Alestair wrote: »

Fersaken wrote: »

I agree, but its not so much that I mind the grind. More that I mind there is only one version of grinding.

I want more to do than quest.

Wrong, there are two versions of grinding.....you certainly don't get around much do you?

No but if you are speaking of the grinding an endless amount of mobs for little return, no thanks.

You must not get out much.

Endless interspecies grinding is exciting. Must use proper protection though to ensure there is no return.

Xanxarib16_ESO

Dolmens (dark anchor) , World Bosses (Skulls), Puplic Dungeons (kill the boss for the completion) all of these gives you a huge xp reward when you finish them the first time.
At vr 1 you get around 10k to 20k if i remember correctly and at vr6 its over 50+ and it scales with your VR lvl...

Fersaken

Xanxarib16_ESO wrote: »

Dolmens (dark anchor) , World Bosses (Skulls), Puplic Dungeons (kill the boss for the completion) all of these gives you a huge xp reward when you finish them the first time.
At vr 1 you get around 10k to 20k if i remember correctly and at vr6 its over 50+ and it scales with your VR lvl...

No Doubt, no Doubt...

But it is kinda boring when you enter your 24th area of doing these type things. its also same old repeated bullcrap in each zone.

Xanxarib16_ESO

Fersaken i agree 100%, my hopes are on craglorn, but meeh! i dont belive they can pull it off. and its one of the reason il be playing both wildstar and ESO, and if craglorn fails, well then il have wildstar for raiding untill ESO get its act together.