Hotfix for hirelings?

Chiefwilliams

Anyone know what the change was? They didn't specify. I'm assuming it was removing the chance of getting items that are out of proportion to the characters level tho. Like legendary upgrade mats etc.

Laharl_Overlord

That would be my assumption as well. I guess time will tell.

mattriddle

They mentioned there was a dupe glitch involving hirelings that they fixed in another thread.

GLaDOS

I got a legendary material for clothing on my level 20 sorceror last night. First one I ever got out of a crafting bag so I did a happy dance of course.

Odysseuss

How can a legendary crafting material be "out of proportion to character level"?

seanolan

Yeah, no joke...it happens rarely enough at low levels, and until you get your crafting to epic levels anyway, you get ONE mail a day at most...hardly game breaking. I am so sick of whiners...so many things are legitimately broken in this game, and hirelings are what they choose to complain about. "Oh, it's broken, they got a single gold item, which they can't even use without a bunch of green, blue and purple items FIRST...and then it's a 5% chance or so...oooh, game breaking! Nerf them for god's sake!"

Please.

scabrous_ftz

mattriddle wrote: »

They mentioned there was a dupe glitch involving hirelings that they fixed in another thread.

This.
People were getting multiple hireling mails per day. Someone even posted how to do it in the forums. I'm glad they acted quickly.

Chiefwilliams

Damn dude, I never called for a nerf or anything like that, I like being able to get those mats, I have 6 last just for hirelings in fact lol. Hope that wasn't directed at me. I was just asking cuz I don't wanna keep checking mail on 6 chars for nothing

seanolan

No, not at you specifically,.,just a bunch of people whining on the forums about how hirelings need nerfing...I'm just tired of it. Sorry

Chiefwilliams

Also when I said proportional. I meant in the sense that I haven't seen anything higher then a blue item drop at level 20, I assumed purple and yellow items only started dropping at near max level.

Odysseuss

seanolan wrote: »

Yeah, no joke...it happens rarely enough at low levels, and until you get your crafting to epic levels anyway, you get ONE mail a day at most...hardly game breaking. I am so sick of whiners...so many things are legitimately broken in this game, and hirelings are what they choose to complain about. "Oh, it's broken, they got a single gold item, which they can't even use without a bunch of green, blue and purple items FIRST...and then it's a 5% chance or so...oooh, game breaking! Nerf them for god's sake!"

Please.

This.
Nerf the whiners that is what we need. The people asking to change this probably are the ones that duped tons of items and are afraid they will have some essence of legitimate competition.

To assume that upgrade crafting material is level based is to assume that you cannot upgrade items until a certain level. It is ignorant, and not accurate.

Laharl_Overlord

seanolan wrote: »

Yeah, no joke...it happens rarely enough at low levels, and until you get your crafting to epic levels anyway, you get ONE mail a day at most...hardly game breaking. I am so sick of whiners...so many things are legitimately broken in this game, and hirelings are what they choose to complain about. "Oh, it's broken, they got a single gold item, which they can't even use without a bunch of green, blue and purple items FIRST...and then it's a 5% chance or so...oooh, game breaking! Nerf them for god's sake!"

Please.

I don't anyone in this thread "whining" at all, except you. But you seem to be uninformed as to what is going on with hirelings. People using the system, like myself, get legendaries from them daily. The last three days I've gotten 3 legendaries per day, not to mention epics and other mats.

Besides getting legendaries daily on 1/3 hireling-level 3 alts, it seems odd to get dozens of Ebon Ore daily from them as well.

I never said that was game breaking, but it definitely seems op to get all this stuff everyday for 15 minutes of work I did at the beginning of the game.

Odysseuss

Not you necessarily Chiefwilliams, there are forum posts all over about nerfing one thing or another that's all. It is ridiculous. And you aren't the only one that has mentioned some notion of upgrade materials being level specific. It is all over.

However, I have noticed that the purples do not seem to drop at my level either (32 or so). Of course, if people find out that if you break those down you have another chance of getting an upgrade item I suppose they will get nerfed also.

Laharl_Overlord

Odysseuss wrote: »

Not you necessarily Chiefwilliams, there are forum posts all over about nerfing one thing or another that's all. It is ridiculous. And you aren't the only one that has mentioned some notion of upgrade materials being level specific. It is all over.

However, I have noticed that the purples do not seem to drop at my level either (32 or so). Of course, if people find out that if you break those down you have another chance of getting an upgrade item I suppose they will get nerfed also.

That's the odd thing about hirelings. As far as I know, you don't get epic or legends to drop until level 50 zones. But if you use hirelings right, you get them everyday on unused level 3 characters. You also get whatever ore, wood etc. that your main is leveled for. You'd think you'd just get iron ore from 1/3 hirelings on level 3 characters.

Odysseuss

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Odysseuss wrote: »

Not you necessarily Chiefwilliams, there are forum posts all over about nerfing one thing or another that's all. It is ridiculous. And you aren't the only one that has mentioned some notion of upgrade materials being level specific. It is all over.

However, I have noticed that the purples do not seem to drop at my level either (32 or so). Of course, if people find out that if you break those down you have another chance of getting an upgrade item I suppose they will get nerfed also.

That's the odd thing about hirelings. As far as I know, you don't get epic or legends to drop until level 50 zones. But if you use hirelings rights, you get them everyday on unused level 3 characters. You also get whatever ore, wood etc. that your main is leveled for. You'd think you'd just get iron ore from 1/3 hirelings on level 3 characters.

That is the first post I have seen about that issue.

Getting ore, etc. outside of your level range I would completely agree is a bug. But people are talking about if they create 7 chars and have a hireling on each they get the upgrade mats more often.... Of course you do!

If you buy 7 accounts and do the same I suspect you would increase that amount as well!

I started at Imperial edition from Zenimax early access which was Mar 25 I think that's and I started blacksmithing at the go. So assume that I got my hireling on Mar 25. All the way up until now I have only gotten one (1) yellow upgrade material.....

That is not a broken probability...

Now you extrapolate that. If I had wanted to take time out of my day to create, check the mail daily, and forward the mail for the other six characters I have slots for and multiply the 1 plus or minus some standard deviation times 7. Yes, I am aware there will be outliers and mine is just one case. But, that still, does not seem broken. Sorry, it is just not in my opinion.

Laharl_Overlord

Odysseuss wrote: »

Laharl_Overlord wrote: »

Odysseuss wrote: »

Not you necessarily Chiefwilliams, there are forum posts all over about nerfing one thing or another that's all. It is ridiculous. And you aren't the only one that has mentioned some notion of upgrade materials being level specific. It is all over.

However, I have noticed that the purples do not seem to drop at my level either (32 or so). Of course, if people find out that if you break those down you have another chance of getting an upgrade item I suppose they will get nerfed also.

That's the odd thing about hirelings. As far as I know, you don't get epic or legends to drop until level 50 zones. But if you use hirelings rights, you get them everyday on unused level 3 characters. You also get whatever ore, wood etc. that your main is leveled for. You'd think you'd just get iron ore from 1/3 hirelings on level 3 characters.

That is the first post I have seen about that issue.

Getting ore, etc. outside of your level range I would completely agree is a bug. But people are talking about if they create 7 chars and have a hireling on each they get the upgrade mats more often.... Of course you do!

If you buy 7 accounts and do the same I suspect you would increase that amount as well!

I started at Imperial edition from Zenimax early access which was Mar 25 I think that's and I started blacksmithing at the go. So assume that I got my hireling on Mar 25. All the way up until now I have only gotten one (1) yellow upgrade material.....

That is not a broken probability...

Now you extrapolate that. If I had wanted to take time out of my day to create, check the mail daily, and forward the mail for the other six characters I have slots for and multiply the 1 plus or minus some standard deviation times 7. Yes, I am aware there will be outliers and mine is just one case. But, that still, does not seem broken. Sorry, it is just not in my opinion.

If you have your main put the items in the bank, it literally takes 15 minutes to create 7 alts with 3 hirelings each. You skip tutorial and start with 3 skill points and a sky shard. It takes remarkably little deconstructing to get you to craft level 3. If you want to get 2 additional skyshards per character (pretty fast too), that's 4 hirelings per character.

With 15 minutes work at the beginning of the game you get 24 mails a day forever. With a little more work, it's 32 mails per day. That's not buying extra accounts. Getting that many mails per day, I almost always get legends, often up to 3 legends daily. Plus the epics and everything else.

You also don't have to forward your mail. You log in with the alt for one second for the mail to appear, do each alt. Then open it all with your main. Takes about 4 minutes daily. Highly worth it for all the epic, legends, other upgrade mats and high level wood and ores etc.

In one day I get as much hireling loot as you've gotten since the beginning of the game - that took me 15 minutes to setup and 4 minutes a day to retrieve. 1/3 hirelings on unused level 3 characters are giving me epic, legends, high level mats and more everyday. Seems op to me, but I'm in the minority. So I'll just keep hauling in the loot.

Odysseuss

Are you mixing all of the four non-consumable crafts in one when you write about the 3 per day? ie. Enchanting, Blacksmithing, Woodworking, Clothing

Or are you telling us that you get (3 yellow for each craft) = (3*4=12) yellow materials per day?

Please stop mixing the numbers if you are because that is less than helpful.

Which crafts? (Enchanting, Blacksmithing, Woodworking, Clothing)

Which items? (Green, Blue, Purple, Yellow)

Total numbers, broken down into crafts and item colors, that you have now and the total number of days it took would help a lot.

Laharl_Overlord

Yes, when I say 4 hirelings from one alt per day I mean the easy hirelings to get (not Provisioning). Blacksmithing, Woodworking, Clothier and Enchanting. With 8 characters I get 8 chests from each of those per day, 32 total chests.

No, I don't get 3 yellow from each craft per day (I have got 3 Temporing Alloy in one day once, but that is very rare). When I say 1-3 yellow per day, I'm counting all the crafts.

Yes, I do receive all green, blue, purple and yellow. I do not have an exact count and I've used much of the green and blues and sold/traded some of the purple and yellow. So I don't have solid numbers (good idea though, I should start keeping track). I just know it's a lot of rare mats to be getting from 1/3 hirelings on level 3 alts for extremely little effort.

I also generally receive 4 ore (~30 per day) and runes appropriate for the level of my main. Those are the only crafts I'm focusing on.

Natjur

They fixed the dupe where you open the same e-mail on each char you had on an account and therefore get lots of resources.

Malediktus

You can still have hirelings on all characters. What they fixed is a way to dupe hireling mails by pressing Alt F4 in the loading screen I think.