Is logging in and out 500 times to farm motifs an exploit?

mkorny

I say quite the opposite, how can someone not make money ?!?!? .... i'm at v3 rank, and every time i go to town i have 700-1.2k repairs, and 2.8-3k in sales...

reggielee

logging out to reset anything in order to reloot is an exploit and should be regulated

SirAndy

I can't give my motif books away. I'm not farming them either. I have 3 main chars and each of them has already learned all the normal motifs (not VR yet with any of them).

I've tried selling the duplicates in the guild store (of an active guild with 300+ members) and i haven't sold a single one yet. Priced them at 666g each, but no takers at all.

Hardly a good way to get rich if you ask me ...
;-)

Chili

Considering that logging out and back in fixes a ton of the issues with loading screens, lore book placement, quests, grouping issues, mail and others I'm sure I missed, I see nothing wrong with it since logging out and in is part of the current game play mechanic.

gunplummer

That could be the price.

Tannakaobi

darkrainb16_ESO wrote: »

apparently they make 6 alts and cycle through them. do it for 8 hours straight.

Sounds like a good way to enjoy the game...

gunplummer

Chili wrote: »

Considering that logging out and back in fixes a ton of the issues with loading screens, lore book placement, quests, grouping issues, mail and others I'm sure I missed, I see nothing wrong with it since logging out and in is part of the current game play mechanic.

I agree it is a great way to fix problems, but to be considered a part of the overall game mechanics other then changing alts or taking a break is a FAIL on the dev's part. To even suggest this to the player base by ZOS is weak, that's what reloadui is for. It feels like sometimes ZOS knew there would be problems with specific things, but rather then fix the problem they want you to hotkey ctrl/alt/delete.

wrlifeboil

reggielee wrote: »

logging out to reset anything in order to reloot is an exploit and should be regulated

No, it isn't an exploit. The devs designed the loot system to encourage players to log in and out multiple times per session. If they had wanted to discourage this, they could have easily put an rng/diminishing returns flag so if players loot chests, drawers, urns, etc. in certain location too often, their rng probablility would drop so low that they wouldn't get loot after certain number of attempts within a certain period of time.

It's the same thing with the bots in dungeons waiting for the boss to spawn so they can auto-kill it and loot. Everyone knows botters are going to camp certain locations and bosses in any mmo. It's up to devs to prevent or discourage this through game design if it is their intent. Why do you think this is still happening more than three weeks after early access launch? The loot system is working as intended.

mips_winnt

darkrainb16_ESO wrote: »

So a lot of people in my guilds are farming rare motifs by going into a building with lots of cabinets and such, and logging in and out non-stop all day. I'm wondering if this is considered a legitimate form of farming, or a bannable exploit?

Has there been any -official- word on it?

Exploit no, really freakin' pathetic yes.

cabbageub17_ESO

Mortelus wrote: »

SImple stop, motifs should be bound to you character and non-tradable.

Well bound to your account I'd hope not character. If an non crafting alt finds it, it is nice to send it on to your crafting character.

mcatchlovb16_ESO

The price that Motif's were going for last night it doesn't sound worth it any more.

gunplummer

Players should play the way they want to play as long as it doesn't interfere with mine or anyone else's game enjoyment. If they want to run the nascar circuit all day long- fine, farm bosses-fine, PvP all day- fine, PvE all day- fine. Just because I think its boring or stupid doesn't mean it's not a legitimate form of gaming.

When people start to complain because they can't complete a quest because some griefer is killing bosses, WW, or Vamps then it becomes an issue for devs to step in. The problem is most players won't display any courteous behavior for one another in MMO's.

Don't be a Richard Cranium and let the players get the bite or boss kill and let them move on and you can go back to doing what you want. The same is true for farming if you get your hit on the boss for your quest, but want to stay and farm with guys 10 level above don't whine when you can't do enough damage to loot. If devs always use the knee jerk reaction then don't be surprised with the consequences. Look at the timers they put out for bosses.

Dunhilda

To be fair it's a clever use of game mechanics.

gunplummer

Agreed.

Sue_D_Nim

Certainly it's an exploit. Is it bannable? Who knows?

Personally, I wouldn't be in a guild with tools like that. If that's their idea of how to have fun in a game, I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. But that's just me. They can hate me too; it's okay.

driosketch

SirAndy wrote: »

I can't give my motif books away. I'm not farming them either. I have 3 main chars and each of them has already learned all the normal motifs (not VR yet with any of them).

I've tried selling the duplicates in the guild store (of an active guild with 300+ members) and i haven't sold a single one yet. Priced them at 666g each, but no takers at all.

Hardly a good way to get rich if you ask me ...
;-)

@SirAndy‌ guess I need to start checking the guild store.

Jessabella

@SirAndy and @Driosketch, @dolmen I was just thinking the same thing! I think I am only missing 2 or 3 of the "normal" ones.

As far as being an exploit, I don't think so. Boring maybe, but to me, any kind of farming, camping, grinding is boring. But the wonderful thing about an Elder Scrolls game is you can play how you want. If that is how some wish to spend their time then its fine by me. Likely they will bore of it so quickly they will dread even logging in to play!

Edit, lol looks like we are all here now!

dolmen

SirAndy wrote: »

I can't give my motif books away. I'm not farming them either. I have 3 main chars and each of them has already learned all the normal motifs (not VR yet with any of them).

I've tried selling the duplicates in the guild store (of an active guild with 300+ members) and i haven't sold a single one yet. Priced them at 666g each, but no takers at all.

Hardly a good way to get rich if you ask me ...
;-)

There are books in the guild store?

Dolmen - densely unware

zhevon

darkrainb16_ESO wrote: »

daedric motif = 50k-100k, barbaric/primal = 25k, ancient elf = 35k, then you get things like copper which is selling for 1k each. it adds up

Are people finding these in the Bank containers?

Paparoski

I would say that yes it is considering that, people use different ways (not in-game ways) to get what they want, in that case so valuable items

zhevon

When you are trying to buy motifs under what catagory are they listed in the guild store?

gunplummer

dolmen wrote: »

;-)

There are books in the guild store?

Dolmen - densely unware
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Not in my guild store only over price items, food, potions, and racial crafting stones. It's like shopping at the mall that's half way closed.

zhevon

SirAndy wrote: »

I can't give my motif books away. I'm not farming them either. I have 3 main chars and each of them has already learned all the normal motifs (not VR yet with any of them).

I've tried selling the duplicates in the guild store (of an active guild with 300+ members) and i haven't sold a single one yet. Priced them at 666g each, but no takers at all.

Hardly a good way to get rich if you ask me ...
;-)

See thats your problem - trying to gouge your guildmates - try selling your normal motifs at 200-250 in the future. In my large guild I've sold several in that price range in about a half a day.

Eris

Prices are coming down on motifs because people flooded the market with them using this exploit. It is obviously an exploit, btw, but it's hard to say if simply logging on and off is bannable.

buffbcub17_ESO

I haven't seen any motifs selling for more than 400-500g for a few days now in chat. Other than the "special" ones of course.

SirAndy

Jessabella wrote: »

@SirAndy and @Driosketch, @dolmen I was just thinking the same thing! I think I am only missing 2 or 3 of the "normal" ones.

Edit, lol looks like we are all here now!

@Jessabella @Driosketch @dolmen‌
That would be the Psijic Order store

And since i'm now apparently "gouging my guildmates" by asking *less* than anyone else in the guild store, just let me know if the 666g is too high and we'll work something out.

wingnamrwb17_ESO

Its the worst gold time ratio farm ever. Its not exploiting the game either. Basic motif only sell for 1k atm.

qwertyburnsb16_ESO

It is quite a vicious gold sink for repairs, inventory space and horses. Most expensive repairs come following group dungeons if we suffer lots of deaths with the final boss.

It's the gold sink that makes we think that ZOS are going to introduce a gold shop and rip us all off like the Gold Farmers we already have. They've already sinned in my eyes with the Collectors and Explorers packs.

It is an exploit, but as some posts have already stated we can hardly blame them if this is the only way to progress. Maybe ZOS are ones exploiting us?

panemetcircenses

Eh, I wouldn't call it an exploit since searching those containers is much like searching the containers elsewhere in town, albeit more conveniently located. It isn't the most exciting thing to do with your time, either. I admit tried it to fill in the last of my basic motifs for my character and I can say it's a fast way to get really bored. I ended up just buying the last one off my guild store and going to actually have fun with the game.

Elder Scrolls games have always had random stuff literally everywhere to loot, steal, sell, craft, etc. The fact that items now come only from containers and we can't just pick up the sword sitting right there (unattended, next to that skeleton you just walked past, with nobody to wield it) are sort of a balance to each other. Sure, you can't pick up every item you see (yes, I did spend time collecting different types of hourglasses in one ES game, just because I could), but at least each time you come back to town you can see if something cool has been left sitting around for you.

Of course, once the crime system comes into play looting things in the bank is going to be... not a good plan. At least we could finally join the Thieves' Guild or Dark Brotherhood at that point

Musonius

What it is, is *** poor design by devs, many of whom will soon be unemployed for their role in this failure of a game.