Arena PvP (Please Sticky)!

Happydayz

I don't know about you, but I'm tired of these large scaled PvP battles. We need some PvP that isn't about having more players on the other team to win a battle. I'm tired of losing because my faction or post does not have enough players, and we get zerged.

If they implemented small scaled Arena PvP (2v3 , 3v3 5v5), then we can actually show our skill. Arena PvP could benefit to players who don't want large scaled pvp, there could be end of season rewards and leaderboards with your teams name on it. I think it would be a great idea, if you guys agree let's repost this, so that the staff can see this!

Darka

I do not know why this would need to get stickied
Regardless
Arena based pvp is not for everyone, and as someone who enjoys pvp but is not a big fan of arenas
I feel it would be good to have them to help cater to those who enjoy that style of pvp,
It would be good to have more than one style of pvp, as it gives players the option to pvp in their preferred style

Gwarok

For once I would like to see a game developer say NO! to all this arena crap that people try to plague EVERY single MMO game they come across.

FACT Arena's lead to MAJOR UNBALANCENESS of classes in an MMOs which leads to the unending nerf bat wars FACT

NERF THIS!!! NERF THAT!!! WAAAAA! I LOST IN AN ARENA WAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Happydayz

Darka wrote: »

I do not know why this would need to get stickied
Regardless
Arena based pvp is not for everyone, and as someone who enjoys pvp but is not a big fan of arenas
I feel it would be good to have them to help cater to those who enjoy that style of pvp,
It would be good to have more than one style of pvp, as it gives players the option to pvp in their preferred style

Yeah, I agree, we need variety.

jody.roaneub17_ESO

I would like to see a gladiator style arena. Something like 4 different 1v1 fights. Teams would consist of gladiators who fight 1 on 1 each round. The ream the wins the round picks there gladiator for the next match first. And the losing team will be able to see that galdiators class and vet rank so they can choose who to send in next. I think this system not only fits in with the lore of TES and is just better than that oh look we have an op healer bulldookie of normal arenas.

Also people in the que should be able to place wagers on items and money as well as spectate.

djspidiib14_ESO

Agreed. Definitely want more variety and smaller scale battles. If anything Arena brings unbalances to light where things can be adjusted a bit more easily and will make for a better Cyrodil as well. I don't mind having rock, paper, scissors type of mechanics though either, certain builds and strategies that overcome others as long as there is always something to keep each strategy in check. This creates ingenuity from the players to create new things and perpetuates a meta which can be really fun. The main thing is to not always think of ways to nerf skill/builds but ways to improve other things to balance the strengths and weaknesses. Perfect example, the original Guild Wars. Hope to see some of this soon.

MrAmadeus

djspidiib14_ESO wrote: »

Agreed. Definitely want more variety and smaller scale battles. If anything Arena brings unbalances to light where things can be adjusted a bit more easily and will make for a better Cyrodil as well.

That's simply not true. It's true it will find unbalance, but not the "unbalance" we seek fixed.
The balance will then be centered around small encoutners, 1vs1, 2vs2, 3vs3 ect. Which leads to the destruction of said Rock, Paper Scissor, because people will cry doom and havoc in the Arena over said unbalance that system gives. WoW still stand as the prime example of where arena destroyed the balance of the game. Everything started to be balanced around the "artifical" PvP that Arena is. It lead to so many class changes, that made the classes loose a lot of what were unique about them, because all gained it in someway or another.

I personal really do love to duel tough, and 1vs1 is a great thing.
When I played GW2 I spend a lot of time in their "Cyrodil" sitting up 1vs1 with good players, and took part in a large cross server duel guild. But nothing was balanced around that, because it wasn't "official", and that's how it should be.

PvP in TESO is not designed to be balanced for small scale anyay, which is great. That means some builds can be insane strong in 1vs1 and 1vsX situations, against the builds designed for Zerg vs Zerg Combat. It gives players that want to solo roam and gank the ability, at the cost of not bringing much to the taple of the large scale fighting, and the other way around. That leads to several differnet ways to partipacate in the battlefield, beside just joining the large groups!

Harakh

Please NO if you want a Arena game pls play WoW, Rift, SWTOR, GW2 or Wildstar.

Arena always destroy the balance in a game, cause the balance goes to the Arena and not the large Scale battle in Cyrodiil.

kevlarto_ESO

I would hate to see ESO go the way of warhammer, I figure if they add arena's, and the pvp died off in cryodiil, then I guess it would be time for me to find another game, I don't understand I can find all kinds of pvp in cryodill, from one on one to small fights in the dungeons,I don't follow the zerg most of the time, but when I do the siege battle are a hoot to me, it is all there for you, just because you don't have a que to enter a pre made arena does not mean there is not all kinds of pvp already in the game, for me I find small pvp maps boring, that is my personal taste, I know others like them, I dunno guess we will see what happens, given the game is not even a month old yet../shrug

Zerl

This needed another thread because?

Honestly, I really wish people would do a little search before they make a whole new thread. This thread has no more right to be stickied than the countless others that had been created prior (both in the live and beta forums).

As was said (over, and over again), it's a high chance that the introduction of arena-based PvP will have an adverse effect on the game as a whole.

The mechanics of TESO are not suited for it, and when people are joining these arenas it won't take long for the demands to come pouring in to nerf X Class, Y Skill or Z Weapon as they are all OP. The never ending cycle of nerfs & buffs begins, wasting considerable hours trying to appease the vocal minority on the forums.

IF they were to introduce any form of arena-based PvP, then it should have no actual gain whatsoever in terms of XP, money or items. The moment that this happens, you can kiss goodbye to activity in Cyrodiil (you know, the focal point for PvP in this game).

Oldtimer209

There are other games with arena PvP. No Arenas Please, refine Cyrodiil and keep large scale PvP the focus of ESO

Carde

jody.roaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I would like to see a gladiator style arena. Something like 4 different 1v1 fights. Teams would consist of gladiators who fight 1 on 1 each round. The ream the wins the round picks there gladiator for the next match first. And the losing team will be able to see that galdiators class and vet rank so they can choose who to send in next. I think this system not only fits in with the lore of TES and is just better than that oh look we have an op healer bulldookie of normal arenas.

Also people in the que should be able to place wagers on items and money as well as spectate.

That's half of a good idea. I think a better one would be 3 teams of 4-8 (one team from each faction) all thrown into a gladiator pit together to duke it out. Last team standing wins the match.

I simply can't get behind a clone of WoW's arena in this game. Its gotta be something else.

Urras

I've never seen WoW developers nerfed or buffed a class just because people in the forums demanded so. Although, there were always stronger and weaker classes/speccs in each pvp season, I honestly believe that they did a good job on pvp balance.
I agree that it might become harder to handle the pvp balance if they introduce new pvp aspects to the game. But it's their job, and I think(and I hope) they will add more pvp choices. If they won't, I believe they will lose at least half of their players. Large scale pvp battle are not for everyone. And even the ones who liked it (myself included) will get bored because of not having an alternative to switch off.

achimb16_ESO3

I don't want arenas, because of the endless balancing/nerfing that will follow, taking away diversity of the classes and builds.

BUT I WANT HOUSING, MAKE THAT STICKY! OR ELSE I'LL QUIT! *sarcasm off*

Zubba

Arena would be nice. Also duelling. And anything that promotes small scale pvp. I wish we could go into enemy Alliance regions and pvp too. And why not PvP loot drops?

dubexcalibur

Just arrange a meeting with like minded people somewhere , more than enough room in RvR to have private fights.

Rewards and leaderboards are not needed , the rewards are the fights themselves and the leader board is the people who care about it ,they will know who is in the top cadre anyhows.

Happydayz

There should be a forum for every Campaign, so we could add each other on skype and meet up for small scaled pvp

Argurios

Since this game and its pvp was announced, it has always been AvA style pvp. Never has arena been mentioned. Everyone knew what they were getting into when they bought the game.

If you want to play an arena based pvp game, there are plenty of them out there. Don't try and force your desires on a system that has been implemented since the game's very concept. Some of us like it exactly how it is, and want it to stay that way.

As someone said earlier in the thread, small scale pvp turns into a stupid nerf war with nothing more than children/scrubs crying about their epeens because they got smashed by better players and it just CANT be their fault.

quiksilver9624

I would be down with a smaller scale pvp battle, like CTF from WoW or huttball from TOR. I personally am not for Arena's as I personally blame them for ruining MMOs. Especially WoW. If you like Arenas there is LoL and its genre.

orchiddebale

We have such a huuuuge amount of different possible playstyles in this game. it never would be possible, to balance it out for an arena. well, i like arenas as well. but i think it wount work well in eso, so i'm fine with the way it is at the moment.

brandybuck

Still, at least having other PvP zones like Dark Age of Camelot would be great as Cyrodill will eventually get boring.

Kewljag_66_ESO

Why do people need the game to make arena style matches for them? All these 1v1 2v2 3v3 matches you want are already there. Just for once stop following the zerg if you don't like it and go to the skirmish spots where these skilled fights happen all day long. On a neutral map these happen at the bridges and gates. on a map where 1 side holds everything they happen at the Scroll mile gates. basically where ever the hotspot is or keep being sieges you can find these skirmishes on the path to them.

eol

God no. Plenty of games have arenas, go play one of them. The whole point of AvA is to have it be alliance-wide. And don't judge ESO's AvA by looking at the first two or three weeks, it will be evolving over time, and will change and mature as players get organized and communicate better. DAoC sure did and so will ESO. Right now most players are new to AvA and just follow the zerg, but that will change. Be patient and give it a chance.

silvestru_liviueb17_ESO

I totally agree with a more structured pvp modes. Yes for me for Arena style.
3v3, 5v5, 20v20, guild v guild, you name it! Just make it happen! PLS!

readymail79b14_ESO

Grab a friend or two and head to the Cyrodiil quest zones or public dungeons. Great small scale out there off the beaten path.

Adventuring for VP in cyro is really slow currently, they need to adjust that.

SDShannonS

The primary PvP environment around which the entire endgame of ESO is designed is open-world AvA. Why would they consider adding a feature such as the one you are requesting when it would draw gameplay *away* from that instead of adding to or enhancing the play experience around which they have created a game?

There are plenty of other games that have the feature you are looking for. ESO isn't for everyone. If what you enjoy is instanced PvP where you can engage on perfectly even footing with exactly equal numbers, you have many other options to choose from.

savak

People who are afraid that arena or other PvP options will take folks away from AvA... Which campaigns really give a good AvA experience? There are only two or three that are balanced and where playing means anything. I would argue that there will be more players who leave TESO altogether if they are bored of only one (mostly unbalanced option).

Ragnar_Lodbrok

OP wants to kill off cyrodil pvp. Go back to wow or its thousand clones for arena.

savak

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

OP wants to kill off cyrodil pvp. Go back to wow or its thousand clones for arena.

Which cryodil PvP? Out of all the campaigns there are only 2-3 that are balanced. The rest are basically PvE

Ragnar_Lodbrok

savak wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

OP wants to kill off cyrodil pvp. Go back to wow or its thousand clones for arena.

Which cryodil PvP? Out of all the campaigns there are only 2-3 that are balanced. The rest are basically PvE

Does it matter to you? You will be back playing wow in two weeks. Leave it be.

savak

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

savak wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

OP wants to kill off cyrodil pvp. Go back to wow or its thousand clones for arena.

Which cryodil PvP? Out of all the campaigns there are only 2-3 that are balanced. The rest are basically PvE

Does it matter to you? You will be back playing wow in two weeks. Leave it be.

What? You can't reply to my point about the lack of actual AvA and throw out the WoW card, a game that I don't even play. So if you ask for more PvP content that means you are a WoW player? That seems small minded.