I don't understand.

Athise

Greetings,

I don't understand the game anymore , I'm only level 22 now been going slow and enjoying myself. But I don't understand why we even have class spells/skills because it doesn't add anything except cc/buffs. There's almost no spells that deal decent amount of damage?
Is this game really based on spamming my mouse button to deal damage ? Maybe it's my class I don't know.

Let me explain , i'm a mage and avoided the pettree since i don't like pets.

The dark magic tree , has 3 cc's 1 damage ability and (1 aoe? the mines).
The damage spell does 210dmg -> 180 atm for me because of partial resists. it would take around 5 casts to kill a creature of my level... would also mean than i'm OOM!

Lightning tree , 1 execute, 2 buffs , 1 AoE , 1 Escape.
While the execute spell is nice on low targets it's just not enough to deal damage with.
The cost of these spells are huge compared to the magicka i have ! at best I'm able to use 6-7 spells than i'm kiting around waiting for my magicka to regen.

My destro staff deals 50 weak attack ,120 heavy attack. It costs nothing except time (which i mostly don't have when fighting 2-3 mobs)
I guess i just don't understand the class skills , it feels pointless unless i'm doing pvp because it doesn't add more damage.
Atm i'm just running with a destro staff and the first skill from it... But it's seriously making the fights boring and i'm actually wondering why i took the mage class since every class can use that ability.


Sorry for this long post i'm just trying to figure if i should change class or if i'm doing something completly wrong?
(btw i do like the lightning tree ultimate)

Alyrn_Grey

The entire Elder Scrolls series of games is built around playing the way you want with pretty much any skills you want to develop. Which is why 3 skill trees are the only thing that a class gives you. You can build pretty much any type of character from any class. There is a video around here of a mid level sorcerer tanking and tanking quite well.

Phranq

Yes.. sorcerors can dual wield axes and tank quite well. But they don't really get the traditional big kill you in one shot nuke spell so common to similar classes in other games atleast not until you finish the mage guild and get the Meteor ultimate...

Athise

No clue what your on about , you can't build anything because it's all focussed around you pressing the mouse button to do damage, while doing ability's that are mostly just adding a cc/debuff with barely any damage.

So i can't build a mage class since there's no efficient spell that deals decent damage and doesn't require +20% of my magicka.
Probably the same for stamina skills...
So you end up spamming the mouse button while blocking and avoiding stuff.

Now the next issue comes , Mobs: they're not getting stronger but more grouped which makes avoiding,interrupting,blocking alot harder while they're hitting for around the same damage i'm doing. I mostly run out of magicka/stamina and die against these.
AoE doesn't really work since the area of effect is small and the damage again is way to low for the amount of Hp these mobs have.

@Phranq There is no reason to pick a sorceror when your just going for the Mage Guild spells i could just take a templar and have a heal with that meteor ultimate. Or any other class for that matter that has better self heals/buffs.
Also the ultimates are not relyable enough to consider a damage spell since your need to build them up.

BlackSparrow

I'm not entirely sure what your question is about.

There are a couple decent damage spells in the sorc lines (my healer sorc loves the Crystal Shard for decent damage + knockdown), and many that also do buffs/cc. This game puts a lot of emphasis on tactics and fighting smart, so good use of buffs/cc is often the difference between victory and death.

If you're frustrated with your class, then go ahead and try a different one. It's why you have 8 slots, after all. Also, check out the character guides section of this forum if you're trying to build your character in a certain way.

But I think you'll find that damage, cc, healing, aoes... every class does all of it. It's up to you to pick the skills that fit your playstyle.

Edit: which is not to say that sorcs don't excell in certain things. If you're really wondering why you rolled sorc, check out your passives.

MaGicBush

I dunno I use Crystal Blast and do tons of damage(usually 3/4ths hp) and it knocks them down. Then I just use my Destro staff to finish them off. If there are groups of 3+ I use my flame wall and cc them in it and lightning bolt/staff them down at the same time. I do well in PvP with this setup as well in groups, though in the longer boss fights it does get a bit annoying as then I am always running low on mana and having to wait for it to regen. But I assume that gets better as I am a high elf and have only put 1 skill point in one of my mana reduction passives.

nerevarine1138

I think you really need to examine your skill trees more. Some skills are utility, some are damage-based, some are healing, etc.

And as someone else mentioned: Crystal Shard. Sorcerers can one-shot some enemies with that.

Athise

Crystal Shard does 200 damage , depending on how much resistance you reduce from what your attacking. Mine does 185 effective damage which is 1/4 health from a enemy mob at my level.
The stun is nice but your better off with the first destro staff ability. if you really want a cc.
Because the damage is barely decent for the amount of magicka your using.

You can't one-shot anything with that spell unless i'm completly missing where you pull 750dmg from.

BlackSparrow

Then use the destruction staff instead?

I'm still not quite sure what the problem is. You don't have to use any class skill lines if you find other skill lines work better. That's the beauty of it: you can choose.

I'm getting the feeling that you're coming at this from the perspective of a different game. You'll need to get used to the standard of combat in ESO, not as it compares to anything else you might have played. Or else you're just not going to have fun.

MaGicBush

Athise wrote: »

Crystal Shard does 200 damage , depending on how much resistance you reduce from what your attacking. Mine does 185 effective damage which is 1/4 health from a enemy mob at my level.
The stun is nice but your better off with the first destro staff ability. if you really want a cc.
Because the damage is barely decent for the amount of magicka your using.

You can't one-shot anything with that spell unless i'm completly missing where you pull 750dmg from.

That seems very odd to me, as I said my Crystal Blast almost kills most enemies my level(not bosses, just the random mobs).

Shaun98ca2

Yea all classes seem to be required to 3-4 shot to kill most trash mobs. Stealth + Bow I understand can really amp up your 1st initial shot.

Imryll

How have you distributed your attributes? The size of your magicka pool affects how hard your spells hit.

Also, you might want to add the curse from the summoning line to add a dot to your array of abilities.

Phranq

As someone else pointed out... spell damage is directly influenced by your max magica.. if your spells are doing less than other players then you might need to invest in +magica enchants, or an attribute reset.

Cogo

Athise wrote: »

Greetings,

I don't understand the game anymore , I'm only level 22 now been going slow and enjoying myself. But I don't understand why we even have class spells/skills because it doesn't add anything except cc/buffs. There's almost no spells that deal decent amount of damage?
Is this game really based on spamming my mouse button to deal damage ? Maybe it's my class I don't know.

Let me explain , i'm a mage and avoided the pettree since i don't like pets.

The dark magic tree , has 3 cc's 1 damage ability and (1 aoe? the mines).
The damage spell does 210dmg -> 180 atm for me because of partial resists. it would take around 5 casts to kill a creature of my level... would also mean than i'm OOM!

Lightning tree , 1 execute, 2 buffs , 1 AoE , 1 Escape.
While the execute spell is nice on low targets it's just not enough to deal damage with.
The cost of these spells are huge compared to the magicka i have ! at best I'm able to use 6-7 spells than i'm kiting around waiting for my magicka to regen.

My destro staff deals 50 weak attack ,120 heavy attack. It costs nothing except time (which i mostly don't have when fighting 2-3 mobs)
I guess i just don't understand the class skills , it feels pointless unless i'm doing pvp because it doesn't add more damage.
Atm i'm just running with a destro staff and the first skill from it... But it's seriously making the fights boring and i'm actually wondering why i took the mage class since every class can use that ability.


Sorry for this long post i'm just trying to figure if i should change class or if i'm doing something completly wrong?
(btw i do like the lightning tree ultimate)

Don't let someone else play you to 22, or use a guide "How to level fast".
The result is that you have no clue what so ever how to play the game, what features there are, gamestyles and possibilities.

I have to ask, did you try other ways to do damage then simply press the nuke button? Have you tried in a group where the group can work together to do more damage?

I don't mind questions, but yours seams so "My brother gave me this account and I cant do damage!!! Waaaah!"

Hearts

Im a pure mage too, killing a guy took all of my mana aswell, but that will change the higher level you are, I dont even get close to losing my mana.

At your level Cast Crystal Fragment (first spell in Dark Magic) to knock down, then cast a heavy attack, then crystal fragment and then heavy attack, repeat until the enemy is at 20% hp or less, then you spam Endless Fury (First spell in storm calling) for big damage.
That way you wont lose all of your mana.

Judge_Mental_One

The problem here seems to be that you don't like the style of game this is. Yes the combat of ESO is based around "spamming your mouse button to do damage".

The combat system generally relies on light and hvy attacks providing the majority of your damage in this game. Skills are there for utility, AoE, CC, or a quick burst of dmg (Hvy attack followed straight after by a quick dmg skill) to finish a mob off. I am reasonably sure you're not supposed to kill things by spamming skills at them.

Skills are very expensive on the costs because there are no cooldowns. Unlike other games the skill that does good damage and stuns or knocks down can be used over and over rather than once every x seconds.

This game gives us a system where if you want you can just spam that or any other ability, but its not smart to do so because you will OOM (and/or OOS). Instead you need to think and plan, and find a balance that works for you, instead of just mindlessly performing a rotation and repeating when CDs are up.

This doesn't mean you wont often use the same abilities in the same order alot to kill things, just that for every fight exactly when you use them differ and you will often need to think about it a bit more.

No one can tell you if this style of game is for you or not, you need to give it chance and play it for what it is then decide.

rawne1980b16_ESO

I gave up on my Sorc.

A combination of me being truly awful at playing it, the incredibly low damage output and the survivability of a dark age knight wearing soggy toilet paper for armour.

Breezed through everything (up until the bugged main quest chain in coldharbour) on a Templar, no problems. Smash through mobs like butter on my Dragon Knight.

Nightblade annoys me sometimes in solo dungeons with no room to kite. But that's bad room design nothing to do with the class.

But Sorc, I really don't like them.

Athise

rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »

I gave up on my Sorc.

A combination of me being truly awful at playing it, the incredibly low damage output and the survivability of a dark age knight wearing soggy toilet paper for armour.

Breezed through everything (up until the bugged main quest chain in coldharbour) on a Templar, no problems. Smash through mobs like butter on my Dragon Knight.

Nightblade annoys me sometimes in solo dungeons with no room to kite. But that's bad room design nothing to do with the class.

But Sorc, I really don't like them.

Jup that's exactly what i did , stopped playing my sorceror and played a Templar.
I'm now breezing through the content without any problem and atleast the talenttrees have great synergy.
I'm now using my ability's instead of spamming my mouse button untill my wrist hurts.

I think it's just a sorceror problem or the lack of decent ability's that compliment eachother or just me not able to fully understand how to play the class.
But i don't care found my class and it wasn't a sorceror but a templar with range spells.

yodased

To get the best dmg potential you will have to complete the fighters and mages guild lines and some undaunted. Elder scrolls has and hopefully never will be about certain "classes" it's about doing whatever you want and gaining abilities based upon what you do.

demendred

You gotta play the build you feel most comfortable with.

Kyotee0071

Which would you rather do? Wiggle your fingers at someone or Bash them in the face? Pick one of the two and build your character around that concept!

In all honesty Sorcerers rock. I suggest going here ;

http://tamrielfoundry.com/forum/classes/sorcerer-class/

And reading up on some great, proven builds. From melee to casting, those folks will have you covered.

Good luck!