What are the uses for Mist Form

Memnock

So i recently aquired the Mist Form Skill from the vampire line , and i thought , ok ,this is a good one , very nice dmg reduction allows me to cast dmg and control abilities at my enemies while i take a quarter of the damage they deal.
The problem i found is that i can't cast or use the simple attack or heavy attack , i am using a fire destruction staff , with a frost enchant also i made sure that the spells i cant don't have any healing properties , but still could not cast them while under the effect of the spell.
My question is , if this ability is actually of any use , if we arent allowed to do anything while under its effects , only run around like headless chickens.
Or would this be a bug ? To not be able to cast or use magic related skills ? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

ArgonianAssassin

I've found that you can use it to avoid mobs, and even bosses strong atatcks, like when a clannfear or grim charge you, pop mist form and it goes right through you, same as bosses really big aoe's, maybe this is a bug, I don't know but I find that to be kind of useful, especially the bosses part.

Memnock

I suppose that it can be said that for 3 seconds ( 4 after you level it ) you are very well protected from outside interference , but with such a short timer and with skills like Immovable and Lightning form present , with a much longer timer and with the ability to cast or use other skills while they are affecting you , i am kind of hoping that this is a bug.
I mean , I can understand not being able to heal while under its effects , but we should at least be able to use other skills , like control and damage and regular attacks

ArgonianAssassin

Agreed, it does seem rather useless if you can't do any damage from it, and you get virtually no healing, it got me killed once or twice in a dungeon when I popped it at low health to avoid more damage and the healer couldn't get me back up, so when I came out of mist form I was worse than what I started out with because it doesn't avoid all damage.

Jaxom

There are some other nice uses for it in PvP. If you have a bow equipped, with the passive Hasty Retreat, you can do a dodge roll, into Elusive Mist (morphed) to get an 80% speed increase (the speed increases stack) to catch people. Get in range then Teleport strike. The same can be used to get the hell out of dodge as well.

rx7razorb14_ESO

It has it uses ^ (great combo for pvp). A Decent PvE use for it is to morph it to poison mist. If your a tank your opening charge taunt a couple things and pop poison mist, sure u cant use any abilities but ur taking only 25% dmg, doing dmg and relieving the healer of some stress on initial ingage.....

ArgonianAssassin

Poison mist damage is rather crappy though, and you're still taking damage from within the mist, and it's a terrible 'oh ***' button due to the immunity to healing effects casted on you.

htoncic

This has to be a bug, nowhere does it say it disables you, as well. If this is intended, can we please have the description appropriately changed to include this? Or better yet, replace the skill entirely with something that's remotely useful.

MeIkor

Poison Mist has been bugged since beta. Read the description. Says does damage every 0.5seconds. The spell duration is 4 seconds. So it should hit 8 times which can do decent damage, but as it is now it only hits 3 times for mediocre damage. Please report this to get them aware.

Malvokian

There have been a couple of times for me where it came in very handy. On one quest you lose life as you move from fire to fire in the cold. Mist form makes it trivial to stay alive(undead). Another time there was a dungeon with poison gas, mist formed right though it.

I've morphed it to give me movement speed. I can see using it to travel by spamming it over and over. Still, I don't currently have it on my bar.

DrearyYew

As a nightblade with the increased stealth speed traits, and mist form, I move significantly faster using mist form morphed into elusive mist while stealthed than I do while sprinting or even mount sprinting. Elusive mist is extremely useful to some builds, and not to every build. Just like other spells, they'll be useful to a few specs, but nor every spec. It's kinda the point of skills... rather than having 237429349234 skills to choose from for a build, you have a handful of 15 or so. You aren't forced to use mist form, so stop complaining about its "uselessness".

Memnock

Did i ever mention that the skill is useless anywhere in my post ? I don't think so.
I asked if the ability is of any use. It just seems that it it has an incomplete tooltip , since it does not mention the fact that , besides being immune to healing magic, for its duration , it also does not allow you to do anything else other than running around.
I mean , yes , it can be spammed to get out of a tight spot , and get away from a bunch of people , but then again , this can be done with other skills that are either class specific ( my Teleport skill from my sorc comes to mind here and the NB, has a combat invisibility that , if morphed , also gives them the ability to remove negative effects , if i am not mistaking and on a timer that is relatively close to the 3-4 seconds from Mist Form).
I am trying to see if people found uses for this ability for both PVE and PVP purposes , since , at the moment , i haven't.

Jaxom

Memnock wrote: »

I mean , yes , it can be spammed to get out of a tight spot , and get away from a bunch of people , but then again , this can be done with other skills that are either class specific ( my Teleport skill from my sorc comes to mind here and the NB, has a combat invisibility that , if morphed , also gives them the ability to remove negative effects , if i am not mistaking and on a timer that is relatively close to the 3-4 seconds from Mist Form).
I am trying to see if people found uses for this ability for both PVE and PVP purposes , since , at the moment , i haven't.

You just quoted it's uses. The tooltip is certainly misleading but it's an escape mechanism. I use Elusive Mist to get around (faster than sprinting) and to get in and out of tight spots. That's what it does. Now, if you have other skills which can replace it, then it may not be as useful to you, but as a melee NB character, like myself, I love it.

In dungeons, big red AoE?, mist form. Take agro? Mist Form until your tank takes it back.

In PvP, it makes for a GREAT skill to be the holder of a stolen Elder Scroll. You can haul ass, not take cc, and take reduced damage. It's fantastic during sieges since you take 50% more fire damage. This will make that portion of PvP, much more pleasant. Yeah, you won't be blowing *** up while a mist, but that's not it's point.

Worst case is once they fix Poison Mist, you can have a dot on top of it.

DemonicEssense

As a vampire you have 1. A large magika pool (or you should be a magika build if you chose vampire). 2. You have a low stamina pool (see #1). 3. As a vampire you have sneak speed bonus. 4. You can spam elusive mist form while sneaking to use your large magika pool instead of your itty-bitty stamina pool to speed across cyridiil in stealth.

chevalierknight

Memnock wrote: »

Did i ever mention that the skill is useless anywhere in my post ? I don't think so.
I asked if the ability is of any use. It just seems that it it has an incomplete tooltip , since it does not mention the fact that , besides being immune to healing magic, for its duration , it also does not allow you to do anything else other than running around.
I mean , yes , it can be spammed to get out of a tight spot , and get away from a bunch of people , but then again , this can be done with other skills that are either class specific ( my Teleport skill from my sorc comes to mind here and the NB, has a combat invisibility that , if morphed , also gives them the ability to remove negative effects , if i am not mistaking and on a timer that is relatively close to the 3-4 seconds from Mist Form).
I am trying to see if people found uses for this ability for both PVE and PVP purposes , since , at the moment , i haven't.

Im magic nightblade i use healing ward then mist for a full heal if im marked i se it till marks removed then cloak magic det does nothing to me

willymchilybily

@Memnok classes like dragon knights don't have a class specific speed boost, so if you are say a magicka DK (seems most common in PVP) mist form is a nice escape from danger. You take reduced damage and get a speed boost.

the alternative retreating maneuvers which is stamina based leaves no stamina left for sprinting

leepalmer95

thread necro -_-

willymchilybily

leepalmer95 wrote: »

thread necro -_-

oh would you look at that didnt even notice. wth

Jumper45

Its designed to keep your weakness from fire from 1 shotting you. Except no one picked up on this memo when they started playing. Youre weak to fire. See a big red ring under your feet and a fireball coming at you? Mist up. But no pretty much everyone just takes a fireball to the face and dies. -shrug- Because why not -rolls eyes-

ChibiMechaX78

When I was still leveling up my vampire skill lines on both characters, when I got Bat Swarm I would set up a dot on adds, maybe cast a debuff, then I would cast Bat Swarm then pop Mist Form. Eventually I morphed it to poison mist thinking I could add a little more damage.

I realized quickly the damage in Mist form isn't even doing a decent amount of damage. Though I guess extra damage is extra damage.

On bosses I would
Debuff>Dot>BatSwarm>Poison Mist>Then Circle around Lol.

Bosses would die really quick especially when I decided to start using the volatile familiar then unsummon him for extra explosive damage while in Mist. Most of the time I don't need to unsummon him. Usually when there are extra adds.

I stopped using the mist though when I stopped using Bat Swarm just to try different Ultimates.

AfkNinja

It's useful as an escape for classes that have none in pvp. It's also useful for lookin like a badass vanishing in mist and shiz.

Willy8257

Jumper45 wrote: »

Its designed to keep your weakness from fire from 1 shotting you. Except no one picked up on this memo when they started playing. Youre weak to fire. See a big red ring under your feet and a fireball coming at you? Mist up. But no pretty much everyone just takes a fireball to the face and dies. -shrug- Because why not -rolls eyes-

Yes! Doing this has saved me countless times

GreenSoup2HoT

I use it because it's fun.

Cloak get's broken a lot in live for my nightblade. There are many time's where i will gank the back line and get CC'd and focused really quick when i try to cloak. Elusive Mist help's me get away since i can go hidden during the channel time. Even though cloak is great, a lot of classes that i have trouble with have AoE's or detect potion's.

Mist Form is also nice for a stamina build, you can use it to buy time to regen some stamina. In pts you can use it to reset you dodge roll cost stack mechanic, mist form is 4 second's and so is the dodge roll reset.

I've had plenty of moment's where 3-4 people are on me and i use mist form around tree's to regen stamina and then use that stamina to dodge roll and gain ultimate for clouding swarm. In the end i end up killing everybody.

I think poison mist is just terrible, the damage is to low to be of any use. They should make a morph where you become invisible just like Clouding Swarm.

Mist Form will be a must have for Vamp's 1.7 to get the supernatural recovery passive. I don't mind, you can use mist form as a lifesaver then switch bar's to cancel it. Dawnbreaker is a mean ultimate but mist form does mitigate a lot of it.

Jumper45

I mean lets be honest here. If you really want to look into it. Mist is 1 skill slot to keep u from dieing from fire. But you get a ton of passives. Why dont you flip the scale a little. Youre giving 1 skill slot for Undeath, Dark Stalker, Unnatural resistance, Supernatural Recovery and here everyone cant even go about their day without inner light on their bar or it would blow their mind. You cant have your cake and eat it too. If you wanna roll without the protection skill on thats fine too. But dont get mad if you get 1shot heh.

GreenSoup2HoT

Jumper45 wrote: »

I mean lets be honest here. If you really want to look into it. Mist is 1 skill slot to keep u from dieing from fire. But you get a ton of passives. Why dont you flip the scale a little. Youre giving 1 skill slot for Undeath, Dark Stalker, Unnatural resistance, Supernatural Recovery and here everyone cant even go about their day without inner light on their bar or it would blow their mind. You cant have your cake and eat it too. If you wanna roll without the protection skill on thats fine too. But dont get mad if you get 1shot heh.

Only Supernatural Recovery is lost if you dont slot a vampire skill.

Jumper45

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Jumper45 wrote: »

I mean lets be honest here. If you really want to look into it. Mist is 1 skill slot to keep u from dieing from fire. But you get a ton of passives. Why dont you flip the scale a little. Youre giving 1 skill slot for Undeath, Dark Stalker, Unnatural resistance, Supernatural Recovery and here everyone cant even go about their day without inner light on their bar or it would blow their mind. You cant have your cake and eat it too. If you wanna roll without the protection skill on thats fine too. But dont get mad if you get 1shot heh.

Only Supernatural Recovery is lost if you dont slot a vampire skill.

That is certainly not the point i'm trying to get across lol.

GreenSoup2HoT

Jumper45 wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Jumper45 wrote: »

I mean lets be honest here. If you really want to look into it. Mist is 1 skill slot to keep u from dieing from fire. But you get a ton of passives. Why dont you flip the scale a little. Youre giving 1 skill slot for Undeath, Dark Stalker, Unnatural resistance, Supernatural Recovery and here everyone cant even go about their day without inner light on their bar or it would blow their mind. You cant have your cake and eat it too. If you wanna roll without the protection skill on thats fine too. But dont get mad if you get 1shot heh.

Only Supernatural Recovery is lost if you dont slot a vampire skill.

That is certainly not the point i'm trying to get across lol.

Are you saying your giving one slot for Radiant Mage Light instead of inner light so your not one shot by camo hunter/snipe?

Jumper45

What im saying is everyone literally goes *** for Inner light 10% crit and max magicka. But no one wants to use 1 slot for Running buff, 75% damage reduce. Magicka Recovery,Stamina Reocvery,Health Recovery,Stealth activation speed at night. Stealth Movement Speed and Damage Mitigation at low health. for just 1 skill slot. This is a no brainer. YES you can get most of this without using mist but then youre getting 1 shot everywhere and people are QQing about the fire damage. They do it to themselves really. Thats the reason mist is there just no one wants to use it.

In my mind. you have mist somewhere on your bar with vampire or you dont have vampire at all.

GreenSoup2HoT

@Jumper45

I know right, being a vampire is about using vampire abilities. I use Mist Form for my stamina nightblade as my magicka dump/escape. I also use Clouding Swarm and Steel Tornado for obvious reason's. Mist form just help's me exit.

Mist Form is great, if i need stamina i use mist form and can regen. Once pts patch come's along mist form will help me dodge roll more as well, 4 second channel in mist form is pretty much a free dodge roll cost reset. I will also get the recovery passive.

Don't get me wrong Cloak is great but i only use it for a cleanse. If Mist Form removed Dot's just like shadow cloak i would'nt have it on my bar.
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About fire damage, pts it's reduced to 25%, you can pretty much negate it now with champion points and 1 fire resist enchant.
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I agree, so many people whine about being a Transformed Werewolf or Vampire because of the draw back's. What's the point in playing them then?