How is PvP?

EricGraham1987_ESO

So is pvp just like stupid GW2 system where everyone is the same and gear doesn't matter? Even after lvl cap getting new gear meant jack *** for stats. Is that true in this game? Or does lvls and gear matter? And how do I engage in said pvp?

illogicbh

Its big and fun. They need a smaller scale/mini game type option also to keep players interested in PvP.

EricGraham1987_ESO

So no answers to my questions I asked in the post?

illogicbh

It doesnt matter what gear you have. A level 10 outside of PvP could beat a level 50. Its a strategy pvp map and everything you do requires mass amounts of people. No individual strategy needed.

Shimond

It's not as heavily gear focused as other games, this is true. It's more about skill selection, though your magica/stamina/health balance matter.

EricGraham1987_ESO

So it's a replica of GW2 pvp combat?

Hawtsauce

Youtube is > way ... go check it out

EricGraham1987_ESO

I have but it doesn't tell me about the levels or how it works. I don't mind scaling as SWTOR does it but gear and lvls still do matter they just make it so you can stand a chance. I HATE putting all the work into my character and being able to be beaten by someone 20 lvls lower than me. I should be able to laugh at them.

Shimond

EricGraham1987_ESO wrote: »

I have but it doesn't tell me about the levels or how it works. I don't mind scaling as SWTOR does it but gear and lvls still do matter they just make it so you can stand a chance. I HATE putting all the work into my character and being able to be beaten by someone 20 lvls lower than me. I should be able to laugh at them.

Then you will not enjoy PVP in this game. Everyone scales to 50 in Cyrodiil.

kitsinni

EricGraham1987_ESO wrote: »

I have but it doesn't tell me about the levels or how it works. I don't mind scaling as SWTOR does it but gear and lvls still do matter they just make it so you can stand a chance. I HATE putting all the work into my character and being able to be beaten by someone 20 lvls lower than me. I should be able to laugh at them.

Gear Level PvP is so extremely boring. Skill PvP > Gear/Level PvP every time.

Caduryn

I know GW2 pvp, and even if it looks similiar, Teso RvR is 1000 times better.

Hawtsauce

I have played GW2 pvp and I agree - ESO pvp is MUCH better

EricGraham1987_ESO

So I am right though? If I put a noob at ESO behind a lvl 50 character with the best gear possible a very skilled lvl 20 can beat him?

Shimond

EricGraham1987_ESO wrote: »

So I am right though? If I put a noob at ESO behind a lvl 50 character with the best gear possible a very skilled lvl 20 can beat him?

I would certainly hope so. Though I'd have to ask how the 'noob' got the very best gear possible in the first place.

EricGraham1987_ESO

It's not the point I'm making. In ANY other game besides GW2 a lvl gap that big and the lower lvl wouldn't stand a chance just because hes lower. Even in SWTOR how they scale and if you're on the lower end you won't be able to beat someone just 9 lvls above you. Am I right? If so anyone want to buy my 1 day old ESO account?

SadisticSavior

EricGraham1987_ESO wrote: »

So is pvp just like stupid GW2 system where everyone is the same and gear doesn't matter? Even after lvl cap getting new gear meant jack *** for stats. Is that true in this game? Or does lvls and gear matter? And how do I engage in said pvp?

Levels do not matter.. everyone scales up to level 50 in PvP.

However abilities do matter...someone at "real" level 50 will have way more abilities to leverage. So they will still have an advantage. They just won't be able to ROFLstomp level 10 PCs like they would if levels were normal.

Caduryn

A lvl 50 Player with good skills and Gear, cant be killed in 1v1 from a low, only if the lvl 50 dont pay attention.

Hawtsauce

Is it possible ? Sure
Is it very likey ? No , as someone pointed out the higher level character will have more abilities to choose from and more importantly more passives.
After someone reaches veteran level 1 + the gear gap really begins

Shimond

EricGraham1987_ESO wrote: »

It's not the point I'm making. In ANY other game besides GW2 a lvl gap that big and the lower lvl wouldn't stand a chance just because hes lower. Even in SWTOR how they scale and if you're on the lower end you won't be able to beat someone just 9 lvls above you. Am I right? If so anyone want to buy my 1 day old ESO account?

Actually that's not true. When last I played a person with level 46 blue mods had better end stats in PVP than the best PVP geared characters. At least as far as their instanced PVP went (and that was the only PVP worth doing in that game).

But yea I think we get your point - you want to be able to 'pwn nubs' in PVP just cause you have a higher level. This is not that game.

SadisticSavior

EricGraham1987_ESO wrote: »

So I am right though? If I put a noob at ESO behind a lvl 50 character with the best gear possible a very skilled lvl 20 can beat him?

Yes, definitely. But the level 50 will not just have gear...he will have tons more skills and be able to do more. But the skills that the level 20 does have will be just as potent as the Level 50's in PvP.

SirPuppingtonVonHat

Pre-50, everyone has the same stats, and effectively have the same gear as well (this is a result of battle leveling). Where pre-50 players differentiate is 1) skill, 2) morphs and 3) passives. More morphs means you get more bang from your resources, and passives can give you a marginal edge in combat. Once you hit level 50 and VR ranks, the battle leveling is automatically off and you use your native character stats (possibly downgraded slightly in some cases). VR characters are significantly more powerful than battle leveled characters, so you should be cautious when engaging them.

EricGraham1987_ESO

Shimond wrote: »

EricGraham1987_ESO wrote: »

It's not the point I'm making. In ANY other game besides GW2 a lvl gap that big and the lower lvl wouldn't stand a chance just because hes lower. Even in SWTOR how they scale and if you're on the lower end you won't be able to beat someone just 9 lvls above you. Am I right? If so anyone want to buy my 1 day old ESO account?

Actually that's not true. When last I played a person with level 46 blue mods had better end stats in PVP than the best PVP geared characters. At least as far as their instanced PVP went (and that was the only PVP worth doing in that game).

But yea I think we get your point - you want to be able to 'pwn nubs' in PVP just cause you have a higher level. This is not that game.

Has nothing to do with pwning low lvls. It's stupid I invested days of my time just to potentially be beaten by some idiot. I think its dumb as *** if 5 lvl 20's can beat you. If you're 50 only thing that should stand a chance is a 45+. Period. It's like bench pressing your whole life pushing up 450 and some dude who has better form of doing it for 2 months comes and pushes up 460. Just plain stupid! So you're telling me that gear has nothing to do with gameplay at 50? Lets say 2 50's are duking it out and one has godly gear and the other has crappy gear. Equal skill or just about par. Who will win? Tie or will the one with better gear win? I don't want gear to be just for looks like GW2.

EricGraham1987_ESO

And another question. Lets say you just got a bomb 2H sword. Will you do more damage in PvP vs your old crappy sword you had? Like for example the Twig of the World Tree vs the Spinal Reaper.

MercyKilling

I think it's safe to say your questions have been answered.
In 99% of the encounters in Cyrodiil, skills and tactics will always win out over "gear score". Which there isn't in this game, by the way. No such animal.

If that is not your cup of tea....then yes. This isn't the game for you to be PvP'ing in. However, there is a rich amount of content in the PvE side you can enjoy and experience if that suits you.

If not? Buhbye. No hard feelings.

EricGraham1987_ESO

You still didn't answer my last question. Does gear matter? Will a good geared played do significantly more damage than a crappy geared player? If that answer is YES then I will play the game. I liked Wildstar because even though gear does matter skill mattered most.

Hawtsauce

Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker > all ... Im jus sayin

(sorry I couldnt resist)

SadisticSavior

EricGraham1987_ESO wrote: »

You still didn't answer my last question. Does gear matter?

Short answer is yes. Someone with A blue sword is going to more damage than someone with a white sword, all else being equal. Gear does matter.

It is not going to be as big a deal as it is in other games though. It is not the "I Win" button you might be used to in other games. A skilled level 10 Player will still be a threat. You will not be ROFLstomping newbies just because of your gear.

EricGraham1987_ESO

Okay so gear does matter unlike GW2 where a bomb sword did 2 more damage. So thats fine then. It IS like SWTOR then in BG's where all your stats are scaled but not your abilities/gear. So I can stand up to a true lvl 50 but chances are I won't beat him unless I am way more skilled. Is that correct?

MercyKilling

Correct.

SadisticSavior

EricGraham1987_ESO wrote: »

Okay so gear does matter unlike GW2 where a bomb sword did 2 more damage. So thats fine then. It IS like SWTOR then in BG's where all your stats are scaled but not your abilities/gear. So I can stand up to a true lvl 50 but chances are I won't beat him unless I am way more skilled. Is that correct?

Yes.

I have not PvPed a lot so I do not know the specifics. But if you have crafted gear that has been upgraded you will still have an advantage. Someone is blue plate armor will have more protection than someone in white plate armor, all else being equal.

In this game gear in general matters a lot less than in other MMOs. Skills are a bigger deal. "Skills" does not just mean crafting, but also actual combat abilities like casting spells, and passive abilities that are "on" all the time. These are things scaling and gear will not give you.