Dual Wield - What works

siuolly

After I hit level 15, I pick up DW as my 2rd weapon. However, looking at the skills especially the active one, nothing seems appealing. For passive abilities, Twin Blade & Blunt seems to be great, but as for Ruffian, there's not a single DW active skill that can work together to give you the "disable target" benefit (snare doesn't count as disable). Anyone comment on the active skills at a higher level?

Sorpaijen_ESO

Not High Level yet, but I use Twin Slash - Blood Craze for a little bit of healing...

Eivar

flurry has a morph that gives like a 4% chance per hit to set target off balance, works frequently

mpearsonm90

for Flurry I went with rapid strikes for the cuz I felt blind flurry only has a 4% chance and well 4% isn't that often. Eivar does it really proc a lot like does it proc almost every single time u use the ability or is rare? Like how often do you think it procs? and always how long does the off balancing last? And to be honest im not sure what off balancing does can you explain to me the benefits of setting the target off balance?

Only reason I went with rapid strikes was cuz the attack speed cuz ill use it after I have done my main burst dmg abilities to do some fast weapon attacks to wait till my mp regens enough so I can stealth again and if I have enough mp to veiled strike to stun(morphed into surprise attack)again. But if the off balanced from blinding furry procs a lot I might change to that I just don't want to respect if I don't know the benefits from setting them off balanced and if the procing isn't a lot.

Pretty much my rotation goes like this Shadow Cloaked(morphed into shadow disguise for the crit) than veiled strike(morphed into surprise attack for the armor reduction) than teleport strike(morphed into ambush for the next attack to do more dmg) I was thinking of taking out teleport strike and put in strife for cuz it does use less mp and restores hp but not sure. But after teleport strike I use rapid strikes for the attack speed bonus and than use weapon attacks till there below 20% if there not already and use Assassin blade(morphed into killers blade).. Pretty much this Is a pve/pvp build it works pretty good for both with the stuns and the dmg modifiers. plus teleport strike helps me get to another than runs and I can stealth/veilded strike to hold them down even longer. Oh forgot for my ultimate I use Death stroke but I was thinking up leveling up my siphoning tree for soul shread in pvp that would be awesome cuz if they run I can teleport strike than soul shread which stuns for like 4.5 sec total and does decent dmg so if there low hp I can use assassin blade. Like I said this skill line is great for single target dps and single target pvp.

But I got a lot off topic lol.. But if you could give me some info on binding furry id appericate it.

Eivar

@‌mpearsonm90

4% proc chance on all 6 hits is pretty nice tbh, it doesn't proc every single time you use the ability but it procs often enough to be useful. I originally had the increased attack speed, but this is more versatile, when it procs you can either keep hitting your enemy knowing you are doing more dmg from your DW passive, or you can use a power attack to knock them on their ass.

my typical "rotation" is sneak attack from side or behind for the bonus dmg with ambush, then i use blood craze, blinding fury, and then i hit killer's blade to finish them off. if they're not dead i hit flurry again, or re apply the DoT from blood craze and then flurry, if i think i can finish them off with an ambush>killer's blade i do that, it's all kinda on the fly.

mpearsonm90

So you don't use shadow cloak and use sneak instead???

Vairkjosab14_ESO

I have only found that shadow cloak is working in tight nit groups and has very limited time involved, I have been passing up on it more often than the bonus from sneak.

Eivar

yep, i HAVE shadow cloak, but i only really use it with my archer set up on my weapon swap. I've had issues with the shadow cloak wearing off if i attack from the front with ambush and not getting the bonus dmg.

mpearsonm90

and what do you mean the bonus dmg from ambush with sneak attack? if u use ambush how do you sneak attack since your already detected?? unless when the mob is stunned u can get back in sneak and which u mean sneak im guessing you mean crouch like using crtl or w.e it is to crouch.

mpearsonm90

Yeah but the 70% crit(100% when its fulled leveled) with vielded strike(surprise attack which decreases there armor by 40%) usallly take most mobs down to 50-30% easily.. without that crit bonus your missing out on a lot of damage

Eivar

mpearsonm90 wrote: »

and what do you mean the bonus dmg from ambush with sneak attack? if u use ambush how do you sneak attack since your already detected?? unless when the mob is stunned u can get back in sneak and which u mean sneak im guessing you mean crouch like using crtl or w.e it is to crouch.

if you sneak around behind an enemy, or attack from the side, meaning you are still hidden then hit ambush, you get bonus dmg, then your next hit after the ambush has the bonus dmg from ambush applied, 2 very big heavy hits.

mpearsonm90

Unless you have the improved sneak passive for medium armor.. I find when I just use sneak I get detected a lot b4 I even get to the mob. expecially when its a group of mobs? Do you still get the sneak bonus if even your detected??

Eivar

the bonus from shadow cloak is increased CHANCE to land a critical blow, the bonus from landing a stealth attack is GUARANTEED damage, and it also brings a mob down to 30-50% on a regular basis.

mpearsonm90

Can you tell me exactly the rotation your using? Im alittle confused atm by what your doing.

Eivar

mpearsonm90 wrote: »

Unless you have the improved sneak passive for medium armor.. I find when I just use sneak I get detected a lot b4 I even get to the mob. expecially when its a group of mobs? Do you still get the sneak bonus if even your detected??

if you are getting detected with the increase stealth from medium armor then you are either moving right up their ass and fondling it before you attack or moving straight at them in their line of site......circle to the side and get into melee with ambush(the base ability is teleport attack i.e. you teleport into range)

mpearsonm90

and do you know what bonus you get from landing a stealth attack I know it does more damage but do u know like what % more and does it stun what are the benefits from just using sneak?

Eivar

yes all sneak attacks stun, as for the exact dmg bonus i have no idea, i just know it's a lot.

mpearsonm90

Like what are all the skills you have on your skill bar?

mpearsonm90

Eivar wrote: »

mpearsonm90 wrote: »

Unless you have the improved sneak passive for medium armor.. I find when I just use sneak I get detected a lot b4 I even get to the mob. expecially when its a group of mobs? Do you still get the sneak bonus if even your detected??

if you are getting detected with the increase stealth from medium armor then you are either moving right up their ass and fondling it before you attack or moving straight at them in their line of site......circle to the side and get into melee with ambush(the base ability is teleport attack i.e. you teleport into range)

No I don't have the passive for sneak yet on medium armor ill have to get it next skill point I get and see how it works if it helps alott even with group mobs than i might change my build around.. When the servers get back up ill have to use my dps meter to see whats the increase.. I didn't know that just sneak attacks stun them do you know how long the stun lasts?

Eivar

i have blood craze, blinding fury, killer's blade, ambush, and elude(medium armor active ability) oh and i HAD soul harvest for an ultimate but i switched to werewolf transformation when i got werewolf.

mpearsonm90

Im gonna have to wait till the server gets back online to test some skills now with this new information... I appericate the info.. the build I have now is pretty awesome 2-3 skills and there usally dead but if i can save on mp by avoiding using some skills and change acouple out that would be awesome if i could get ride of shadow cloak i could add another weapon skill. atm i have 4 class skills and 1 weapon skill..

Eivar

mpearsonm90 wrote: »

Eivar wrote: »

mpearsonm90 wrote: »

Unless you have the improved sneak passive for medium armor.. I find when I just use sneak I get detected a lot b4 I even get to the mob. expecially when its a group of mobs? Do you still get the sneak bonus if even your detected??

if you are getting detected with the increase stealth from medium armor then you are either moving right up their ass and fondling it before you attack or moving straight at them in their line of site......circle to the side and get into melee with ambush(the base ability is teleport attack i.e. you teleport into range)

No I don't have the passive for sneak yet on medium armor ill have to get it next skill point I get and see how it works if it helps alott even with group mobs than i might change my build around.. When the servers get back up ill have to use my dps meter to see whats the increase.. I didn't know that just sneak attacks stun them do you know how long the stun lasts?

the stun is fairly short, but there are passives to increase the duration as a NB, like Master Assassin in the assassination skill tree. if you really want to maximize you initial hit, pop shadow cloak and do a sneak attack, that way you have the guaranteed sneak dmg with a probable crit on top, as it is i kill things so quick i don't get a ton of chances for the werewolf passive blood fury to build up ultimate so i don't feel i need to stack that much damage on the top, getting hit once or twice and having my heal from killer's blade works just great.

mpearsonm90

I'll be using bow most likely when i get to lvl 15 as my 2rd weapon.. hell I was even thinking of changing my main weapon to 2h but i like dual wields look and attack speed better but i feel 2her have more useful skills that's the olny reason why i don't like dual wield that much i guess since i started off with a Templar i used more skills than i did normal/heavy attack and i have to break that habbit cuz i notice dual wield with the passives for dual wields increase ur dmg nicely that's why i use the attack speed bonus..

But than again how long does the off balance last and with a heavy attack u can knock them down right?? is there enough time with that off balance to charge and use that heavy attack or r u like just barely making it in time?? the skill tooltips in this game don't really help much lol

mpearsonm90

the stun is fairly short, but there are passives to increase the duration as a NB, like Master Assassin in the assassination skill tree. if you really want to maximize you initial hit, pop shadow cloak and do a sneak attack, that way you have the guaranteed sneak dmg with a probable crit on top, as it is i kill things so quick i don't get a ton of chances for the werewolf passive blood fury to build up ultimate so i don't feel i need to stack that much damage on the top, getting hit once or twice and having my heal from killer's blade works just great.

yeah but when i use shadow cloak i use vield strike which is a huge amount of dmg and a 4 sec stun plus the 40% decrease to the targets armor...

mpearsonm90

You wouldn't happen to know if the master assassin passive would increase the veild strike stun also considering it is a crouch/stealth and invisible attack

mpearsonm90

Well i appericate all your help and insight.. I'll have to mess around alil bit when the servers get back up i cant think about playing anymore im getting to anxious to play again lol it sucks cuz i literally only got on for like 20 mins than the servers went down ofc the night that i have free the servers go down lol

Eivar

@mpearsonm90‌

i'm not sure how long off balance lasts, it seems about the same as when you block a heavy attack, yes you can get the power attack in and knock them down, though you have to be fast, despite them being 'off-balance" they will roll to the side sometimes to avoid it, all you have to do is be quick and keep your aim on them.

i don't see why master assassin wouldn't affect the stun if used from stealth.

you might want to try this, stealth around to the side or behind, hit shadow cloak, hit ambush, then hit veiled strike. from what i'm reading on another site veiled strike stuns regardless of stealth but if stealthed it will knock the target off balance and knock them back, but as i can't log into the server and check it could be wrong.

Eivar

mpearsonm90 wrote: »

Well i appericate all your help and insight.. I'll have to mess around alil bit when the servers get back up i cant think about playing anymore im getting to anxious to play again lol it sucks cuz i literally only got on for like 20 mins than the servers went down ofc the night that i have free the servers go down lol

lol i know what you mean, but i'm glad they are fixing things and giving real updates. I hit level 42 and finished up eastmarch on my NB tonight so i was messing around on a concept character when they brought the servers down, seeing how solo viable a sword and board summoner in 5/2 medium heavy is....so far it's pretty good and a lot of fun.

mpearsonm90

you might want to try this, stealth around to the side or behind, hit shadow cloak, hit ambush, then hit veiled strike. from what i'm reading on another site veiled strike stuns regardless of stealth but if stealthed it will knock the target off balance and knock them back, but as i can't log into the server and check it could be wrong.

No I know for 100% the stun only works if your ethier stealthed or invisible believe me i tried it a lot and even use it rarely to fill in for a dmg skill and it doesn't it just does the dmg.. also it doesn't do any type of knockdown or knockback it just stuns them for 4 seconds and if u morph into surprise attack it reduced there armor by 40% now. Im not sure if it reduces there armor by 40% only if ur stealthed or not but it doesn't say u need to be so i think if u morph into surprise attack it reduces there armor regardless but again there is no knockdown or knockback of any kind using veiled strike at all unless u use a heavy attack after u stun them.

mpearsonm90

It sucked i took acouple days off when early release started but off course I had to deal with some family issues and work *** i had to handle.. its like ever since the game came out ive had 1 RL problem after another that keeps me from being able to play lol...plus I wasn't sure what class I really wanted to stick with so I leveling a sorc to lv 12 a Templar to 15 and now I have my NB at 10(90%) to lvl 11 but now I know for 100% what class I want to play and atleast I have alil over 18k gold from all the alts i made and the motfits i found lol... I just wish I had a crafting buddy cuz all my gear sucks and the 1 guild im in in the guild bank/store doesn't have any thing my level cuz they are lvl 20+ .. I need to find a some more guilds to join. If you know any or are in one that has some decent players and crafters lmk when the severs come back online my names in my sig.