Can you please nerf werewolves?

SkillzMFG · August 13

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mr1sho · August 13

NO they need more buffs

NovelliESO · August 14

Please read pts notes, this post is pointless.

Oblivion_Protocol · August 14

They’re literally already doing it. What, do you want them to be completely useless?

RaikaNA · August 14

SkillzMFG wrote: »

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Only if ZOS nerfs your build first

MarioMario · August 14

You can read in the PTS patch notes what will happen to the WW. In PvE it will continue to have its niche, in PvP it will become unplayable... as it has been for the past 10 years, let's have fun while it lasts.

The funny thing is that there is no trace of nerfs to the DK.

JohnRingo · August 14

NovelliESO wrote: »

Please read pts notes, this post is pointless.

Can we nerf them beyond the patch notes? More severely? I mean really make them suffer?

Luneca · August 14

MarioMario wrote: »

You can read in the PTS patch notes what will happen to the WW. In PvE it will continue to have its niche, in PvP it will become unplayable... as it has been for the past 10 years, let's have fun while it lasts.

The funny thing is that there is no trace of nerfs to the DK.

Well it's why people should give honest feedback. When they don't and things come out broken, you know a nerf is coming. And it might just be an overnerf.

BardokRedSnow · August 14

It never ends, now that there’s blood in the water so to speak and forum users are reminded that enough threads made will get nerfs, it’ll ramp up until we’re back to the subclass meta that made players leave in droves.

BardokRedSnow · August 14

MarioMario wrote: »

You can read in the PTS patch notes what will happen to the WW. In PvE it will continue to have its niche, in PvP it will become unplayable... as it has been for the past 10 years, let's have fun while it lasts.

The funny thing is that there is no trace of nerfs to the DK.

DK was nerfed also. And already people are using that opportunity to try and strip it of everything the refreshes gave them like wings knockback of all things.

HunterDawn · August 14

How about reworking Werewolf Bite into Kiss of the Werewolf? Anyone on the receiving end gets Health restoration 😅

Oceanchanter · August 14

MarioMario wrote: »

You can read in the PTS patch notes what will happen to the WW. In PvE it will continue to have its niche, in PvP it will become unplayable... as it has been for the past 10 years, let's have fun while it lasts.

The funny thing is that there is no trace of nerfs to the DK.

I wouldn't say "unplayable" but certainly easier to play against.

That's why I squeeze out as many BG matches as possible as WW.
It's easier to sit there, feeling disgusting about yourself, but with lots of bars, tel vars, APs, and other rewards in your bank.

Arunei · August 14

Oceanchanter wrote: »

MarioMario wrote: »

You can read in the PTS patch notes what will happen to the WW. In PvE it will continue to have its niche, in PvP it will become unplayable... as it has been for the past 10 years, let's have fun while it lasts.

The funny thing is that there is no trace of nerfs to the DK.

I wouldn't say "unplayable" but certainly easier to play against.

That's why I squeeze out as many BG matches as possible as WW.
It's easier to sit there, feeling disgusting about yourself, but with lots of bars, tel vars, APs, and other rewards in your bank.

Out of curiosity, what Class is your WW and are you Pure Class or Subclassed on it?

shadyjane62 · August 14

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

They’re literally already doing it. What, do you want them to be completely useless?

Yes. Tired of being dog's dinner in PVP.

Vulkunne · August 14

Prior to the recent update(s) WW was a dead concept for the mainstream player base.

Yeah, I maintained WWs and could use them effectively, namely by picking battles, but it could be done. The recent updates have really done much good for the game and it's great to see WWs out and about. Something different. Something other than Vamp exploiters with the uh Blood Scathe or whatever it's called.

Blood for Blood, Spite for Spite, Pound for pound, whatever skill and its morph. Too much of that... I'd much rather face something different with WWs and people being creative with WW builds rather than the same old boring exploits from the Blood Scathers.

Oceanchanter · August 14

Arunei wrote: »

Oceanchanter wrote: »

MarioMario wrote: »

You can read in the PTS patch notes what will happen to the WW. In PvE it will continue to have its niche, in PvP it will become unplayable... as it has been for the past 10 years, let's have fun while it lasts.

The funny thing is that there is no trace of nerfs to the DK.

I wouldn't say "unplayable" but certainly easier to play against.

That's why I squeeze out as many BG matches as possible as WW.
It's easier to sit there, feeling disgusting about yourself, but with lots of bars, tel vars, APs, and other rewards in your bank.

Out of curiosity, what Class is your WW and are you Pure Class or Subclassed on it?

Still experimenting, but Pure Warden for now, built for tanking rather than dealing damage, but still takes kills with Bloody Gnash morph (higher execute scaling one).
Squall of Retribution, Juggernaut, Draug's Heritage.

I'm considering taking DK's skilline for some armor, and necro's for extra health or something.

The matches tell me little tho
Either the opposite team gives up, there's brawl where I barely get damage, or I get blasted out of the match because the rest of the team is doing nothing.
Even WWs can't stand endless barrage of Arcanist and Jesus beams

The character used to be just my Blacksmith eye-candy so when making him yeas back I didn't put much of a thought.
I leveled him by tanking dungeons, then maxed out crafting, put some armor if I ever wanted to tank something from time to time (I'm a healer main), and left him rarely attended.

Oblivion_Protocol · August 14

shadyjane62 wrote: »

Yes. Tired of being dog's dinner in PVP.

Cool. So when the next thing comes along that kills you, ZOS should just nerf that, too? Maybe everything you aren’t running should get beaten into the dirt, so you can never die in PVP, win all your fights, and be crowned Super King Ding-a-Ling of PVP for all time.

Seriously, this is the kind of mentality that inspires comments like “skill issue” and “l2p”. Especially since WW isn’t unkillable or unbeatable.

Valkanos · August 14

Instead of nerfing something nice and useful for groups, what about we (the team) focusing more on buffing underperforming classes? What about that?
Why waste time changing something that’s working well and that players really like? Why not focus on Warden instead? When will that happen, 2030? Why not next patch?
Or maybe... the Vampire class? Can we (the team) spend some time bringing Vampire up to the same level as Werewolf, instead of bringing Werewolf down to the same bad spot as Vampire?
There’s still a lot to do in the game. Don’t waste time changing what’s good just to make everything worse.

DenverRalphy · August 14

SkillzMFG wrote: »

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LOL! I saw what you did there. Bravo! LOL!

BardokRedSnow · August 14

As for derailing, DK was nerfed alongside werewolves already and people are still calling for more nerfs, it is on topic. Same as it was when people brought up nerfing werewolves in the nerf dk threads.

Also the guy I quoted claimed DK wasnt nerfed, that's what I was responding to.

BardokRedSnow · August 14

MarioMario wrote: »

The funny thing is that there is no trace of nerfs to the DK.

This is what I was responding to, I will continue to respond to what I like, as DK was brought up and DK was already nerfed.

It is a public forum, I'm allowed to participate and respond to other users.

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Grasshoppermouse · August 15

Can we stop demanding everything be nerfed into oblivion? The werewolf transformation is finally usable. Since it's an extra thing we need to put skill points into, there needs to be some advantage to transforming into a werewolf. It is also available to all classes, so it's nice to have something anyone can spec into since class reworks are coming so slow. Also, some of us make our characters werewolves because we like werewolves and/or the story we've created for our characters require our characters be a werewolf. We are going to play our characters as werewolves whether they get nerfed or not, but it would be nice to not be at a severe disadvantage just because some people don't like werewolves.

I've already given up on vampire being able to be made usable, so I very much hope they don't take your advice on werewolves. I think it's also important for devs to keep in mind that while meta chasers will happily make a new build, for people whose main focus in the game is getting to play a werewolf, making the werewolf too weak means those people will find a game where they can play a werewolf without being at a severe disadvantage.

Valkanos · August 15

And don't forget about onebar players. Finally, they're welcome in groups! No one really cares how many bars they're using. As long as they can provide Courage and synergies, I don't see anyone complaining about them in-game.
But of course... since they're welcome, they're useful, players are happy, and a lot of the problems onebar players have are almost solved too... of course, this is exactly the kind of thing that will get nerfed...Sadly.

It works amazingly well, so obviously it can't stay like this.