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BG needs a rework!
They really need to change up BG's in the worst way. For one the classes are so unbalanced right now if you aren't a werewolf or a dragon knight you are toast! STOP reworking classes one at a time it renders the others useless. Next the daily xp reward needs to be changed to PARTICIPATE not WIN a match! This will keep the PVE folks from being stuck in something all day long that they don't want to be in and the pvp people won't cry there are pve builds in their BG! Next after that is the spawn in zone needs to be removed Just spawn the players into the battle field so there is no more AFK in there to drag out the matches. Another thing is that the leaving battle ground penalty is a joke If someone quits mid battle it should be a 24 hour penalty on that account for pvp!
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Radiate77✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭While I agree with the first half about Dragonknight and Werewolf, all you have to do is make a BG healer loadout with 5 impen and 30k health and you’re about guaranteed to win either your first or second random solo queue.
Finding success in PvP is incredibly easy with the smallest amount of investment, yet if even that is too much for you… that you refuse to put Impenetrable on your armor for a singular loadout on each character, or you won’t Subclass out to Shadow or Storm Calling to mitigate your PvE traits, then who is to blame for that?
The Battleground win does not provide unique rewards that can not be found elsewhere, and if PvE is more your speed, Random Dungeons exist.
Edited by Radiate77 on June 24, 2026 6:39PMDragon Priest [Restoring Light, Draconic Power, Grave Lord]
Death Knight [Grave Lord, Winter’s Embrace, Siphoning]
Pyromancer [Ardent Flame, Dawn’s Wrath, Earthen Heart]
Summoner [Living Death, Grave Lord, Daedric Summoning]
Ranger [Animal Companions, Green Balance, Shadow]
Druid [Earthen Heart, Animal Companions, Stormcalling]
Elementalist [Stormcalling, Winter’s Embrace, Ardent Flame]
Dawnguard [Dawn’s Wrath, Restoring Light, Ardent Flame]0 -
OsUfi✭✭✭✭✭
✭The Battleground win does not provide unique rewards that can not be found elsewhere, and if PvE is more your speed, Random Dungeons exist.
The OP seems to want the transmute reward without actively participating, while also expecting others not to AFK in his RNDs.
He raised the same topic recently, and my view hasn't changed. It would be reasonable to award the daily for either reaching a medal score threshold (e.g. 1,000) or winning a match. But simply rewarding participation for showing up? Nah mate, no chance.5 -
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✭✭✭The Battleground win does not provide unique rewards that can not be found elsewhere, and if PvE is more your speed, Random Dungeons exist.
The OP seems to want the transmute reward without actively participating, while also expecting others not to AFK in his RNDs.
He raised the same topic recently, and my view hasn't changed. It would be reasonable to award the daily for either reaching a medal score threshold (e.g. 1,000) or winning a match. But simply rewarding participation for showing up? Nah mate, no chance.
I like this idea, adding in a way to get the daily done without winning. I often have pretty high personal scores but a terrible win rate so I'd do more BGs if this was implemented.0 -
Either way something has to change! Getting a win to get the daily xp is insane especially when having a broken armory and you can't use a pvp build and it takes 12+ bg's a day per character to get the bonus NAH! Most people in BG's just think it's a KD thing and WRONG they just can't read the objectives which makes it even worse!0
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Daoin✭✭✭✭Lenascissorhands wrote: »They really need to change up BG's in the worst way. For one the classes are so unbalanced right now if you aren't a werewolf or a dragon knight you are toast! STOP reworking classes one at a time it renders the others useless. Next the daily xp reward needs to be changed to PARTICIPATE not WIN a match! This will keep the PVE folks from being stuck in something all day long that they don't want to be in and the pvp people won't cry there are pve builds in their BG! Next after that is the spawn in zone needs to be removed Just spawn the players into the battle field so there is no more AFK in there to drag out the matches. Another thing is that the leaving battle ground penalty is a joke If someone quits mid battle it should be a 24 hour penalty on that account for pvp!
thats not true unless your doing 500 BG's in a row each day and only playing in a full team of 4v4 and you are all nighyblades0 -
Daoin✭✭✭✭sure nightblades are good for running away but when on top of the ganking list theres never a complaint0
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Lenascissorhands wrote: »They really need to change up BG's in the worst way. For one the classes are so unbalanced right now if you aren't a werewolf or a dragon knight you are toast! STOP reworking classes one at a time it renders the others useless. Next the daily xp reward needs to be changed to PARTICIPATE not WIN a match! This will keep the PVE folks from being stuck in something all day long that they don't want to be in and the pvp people won't cry there are pve builds in their BG! Next after that is the spawn in zone needs to be removed Just spawn the players into the battle field so there is no more AFK in there to drag out the matches. Another thing is that the leaving battle ground penalty is a joke If someone quits mid battle it should be a 24 hour penalty on that account for pvp!
thats not true unless your doing 500 BG's in a row each day and only playing in a full team of 4v4 and you are all nighyblades
Entirely true and yeah sometimes it feels like 500 BG's just to get that 1 win! it's crazy and such a HUGE waste of time. Hence why it needs to be addressed!0 -
OsUfi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lenascissorhands wrote: »Lenascissorhands wrote: »They really need to change up BG's in the worst way. For one the classes are so unbalanced right now if you aren't a werewolf or a dragon knight you are toast! STOP reworking classes one at a time it renders the others useless. Next the daily xp reward needs to be changed to PARTICIPATE not WIN a match! This will keep the PVE folks from being stuck in something all day long that they don't want to be in and the pvp people won't cry there are pve builds in their BG! Next after that is the spawn in zone needs to be removed Just spawn the players into the battle field so there is no more AFK in there to drag out the matches. Another thing is that the leaving battle ground penalty is a joke If someone quits mid battle it should be a 24 hour penalty on that account for pvp!
thats not true unless your doing 500 BG's in a row each day and only playing in a full team of 4v4 and you are all nighyblades
Entirely true and yeah sometimes it feels like 500 BG's just to get that 1 win! it's crazy and such a HUGE waste of time. Hence why it needs to be addressed!
I don't enjoy PUG RNDs or some of the less pleasant behaviour you encounter in the RND queue, so I simply don't run them. I'd suggest taking the same approach with Battlegrounds if you're not enjoying the experience.2 -
Radiate77✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lenascissorhands wrote: »Lenascissorhands wrote: »They really need to change up BG's in the worst way. For one the classes are so unbalanced right now if you aren't a werewolf or a dragon knight you are toast! STOP reworking classes one at a time it renders the others useless. Next the daily xp reward needs to be changed to PARTICIPATE not WIN a match! This will keep the PVE folks from being stuck in something all day long that they don't want to be in and the pvp people won't cry there are pve builds in their BG! Next after that is the spawn in zone needs to be removed Just spawn the players into the battle field so there is no more AFK in there to drag out the matches. Another thing is that the leaving battle ground penalty is a joke If someone quits mid battle it should be a 24 hour penalty on that account for pvp!
thats not true unless your doing 500 BG's in a row each day and only playing in a full team of 4v4 and you are all nighyblades
Entirely true and yeah sometimes it feels like 500 BG's just to get that 1 win! it's crazy and such a HUGE waste of time. Hence why it needs to be addressed!
If you spent half the time writing this OP at a transmute station, you would have PvP builds on 3 three characters.Dragon Priest [Restoring Light, Draconic Power, Grave Lord]
Death Knight [Grave Lord, Winter’s Embrace, Siphoning]
Pyromancer [Ardent Flame, Dawn’s Wrath, Earthen Heart]
Summoner [Living Death, Grave Lord, Daedric Summoning]
Ranger [Animal Companions, Green Balance, Shadow]
Druid [Earthen Heart, Animal Companions, Stormcalling]
Elementalist [Stormcalling, Winter’s Embrace, Ardent Flame]
Dawnguard [Dawn’s Wrath, Restoring Light, Ardent Flame]1 -
Usureki✭✭✭Funny to see how @Radiate77 and @OsUfi recommending OP to just accept what a miserably terrible gameplay experience state we have at Battlegrounds. ZOS really must have screwed up for quite some time if this is the 'recommended mentality' - like yeah, we know it's below any standard, it is in fact terrible, but hey' that's how it is since quite some time!
Y'all really got used to the DEVs not giving a damn about this part of the game, and you encourage others to do the same. This is saddening, because if the DEVs see that their total lack of care and capability is accepted this way, there will be literally zero incentive to try to remedy the mess they've created. PvP focused communities in ESO are small, so their cry is quieter - but it's there. We should use our voice to point out stuff we wish to be remedied!
But to the topic at hand.. I don't think that just participation itself should be rewarded tho. Way too many passive people in BGs already. However, I like the 'collect 1000k medal points in BG' daily quest better, I think they could scale (make it like 1000, 2500 and 5000, increasing the reward) it and remove the other two. Just participation is boring and demotivating, winning in the current state of the game is a matter of randomness. Have just the medal score collection daily! Then it'd be still encourage to actually do stuff and it'd be still be completable even with this dog poo excuse of a meta we have at Battlegrounds.3 -
Lenascissorhands wrote: »Lenascissorhands wrote: »They really need to change up BG's in the worst way. For one the classes are so unbalanced right now if you aren't a werewolf or a dragon knight you are toast! STOP reworking classes one at a time it renders the others useless. Next the daily xp reward needs to be changed to PARTICIPATE not WIN a match! This will keep the PVE folks from being stuck in something all day long that they don't want to be in and the pvp people won't cry there are pve builds in their BG! Next after that is the spawn in zone needs to be removed Just spawn the players into the battle field so there is no more AFK in there to drag out the matches. Another thing is that the leaving battle ground penalty is a joke If someone quits mid battle it should be a 24 hour penalty on that account for pvp!
thats not true unless your doing 500 BG's in a row each day and only playing in a full team of 4v4 and you are all nighyblades
Entirely true and yeah sometimes it feels like 500 BG's just to get that 1 win! it's crazy and such a HUGE waste of time. Hence why it needs to be addressed!
If you spent half the time writing this OP at a transmute station, you would have PvP builds on 3 three characters.
Yeah that's NOT an option I would lose my build for the actual game then since the armory in the game is broken again proving that PVP in this game is just bad and every part of it needs to be looked at and reworked or just plain removed from the game!1 -
Militan1404✭✭✭✭Yeah bg need a rework, it needs to be reworked so players can vote to kick like you can i random dungeons. That way groups can vote and kick players that joins bg with 20k health and pve gear, that also often makes players that are actually built for pvp leave. Imagining pvp players joining vet dungeons and trials in pvp gear(some proboly do tho) just to get some daily xp, they would be kicked in no time.2 -
OsUfi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Funny to see how @Radiate77 and @OsUfi recommending OP to just accept what a miserably terrible gameplay experience state we have at Battlegrounds.
Oh I know @Usureki how bad BGs are right now. As a solid mid-tier PvPer, I could hold my own against everything right up until this last couple of updates. The combination of pulse gankers and werewolves mean I'm currently having a bad time time in BGs, with 2 wins in my last 20 games.
All that said, the OP of this thread doesn't give two hoots about PvP. He'll happily afk every match for the XP daily. He's not campaigning for a better PvP experience. He wants the reward removed and a second XP daily added to dungeons as according to him, everyone hates PvP in this game.
I hope that helps give context to some of the replies to this individual in particular.
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Militan1404 wrote: »Yeah bg need a rework, it needs to be reworked so players can vote to kick like you can i random dungeons. That way groups can vote and kick players that joins bg with 20k health and pve gear, that also often makes players that are actually built for pvp leave. Imagining pvp players joining vet dungeons and trials in pvp gear(some proboly do tho) just to get some daily xp, they would be kicked in no time.
Yeah but some people have no choice but to join in PVE builds since the armory is broken and they won't fix it that makes using a pvp build useless.Nice try though! The vote to kick will just be abused in pvp TERRIBLE idea that will NOT fix anything just make things worse!1 -
OsUfi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lenascissorhands wrote: »
The vote to kick will just be abused in pvp TERRIBLE idea that will NOT fix anything just make things worse!Militan1404 wrote: »Yeah bg need a rework, it needs to be reworked so players can vote to kick like you can i random dungeons. That way groups can vote and kick players that joins bg with 20k health and pve gear, that also often makes players that are actually built for pvp leave. Imagining pvp players joining vet dungeons and trials in pvp gear(some proboly do tho) just to get some daily xp, they would be kicked in no time.
I'm certainly not saying PvPers are angels, but how would vote kick in PvP be abused anymore than it is in PvE? It requires a unanimous vote among all others in the group, and groups in solo queue are all completely random people. Youd have to be doing something like standing on the spawn or something to *** off three randoms.
Compared to PvE, where I've been kicked out of dungeons mid way because a group of three wanted their mate to join.
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MRAW✭✭✭Lenascissorhands wrote: »Yeah but some people have no choice but to join in PVE builds since the armory is broken and they won't fix it that makes using a pvp build useless.
What are you referring to? I use my armory station daily and have vampire, werewolf and and non-curse builds for PvE, healer builds. All works fine, what would not?
If you only swap sets, you might use an Addon.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lenascissorhands wrote: »They really need to change up BG's in the worst way. For one the classes are so unbalanced right now if you aren't a werewolf or a dragon knight you are toast! STOP reworking classes one at a time it renders the others useless. Next the daily xp reward needs to be changed to PARTICIPATE not WIN a match! This will keep the PVE folks from being stuck in something all day long that they don't want to be in and the pvp people won't cry there are pve builds in their BG! Next after that is the spawn in zone needs to be removed Just spawn the players into the battle field so there is no more AFK in there to drag out the matches. Another thing is that the leaving battle ground penalty is a joke If someone quits mid battle it should be a 24 hour penalty on that account for pvp!
what if it's a disconnect, not the fault of the player? They didn't leave, they weren't kicked. Technical issues happen. Now we are going to make it really punitive if your internet goes down?
I agree with the WW thing. I only do BGs with low level characters for the xp. I get to inflict sub- 1k damage while I get slammed by WW or DK leap for 17k
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Lenascissorhands wrote: »
The vote to kick will just be abused in pvp TERRIBLE idea that will NOT fix anything just make things worse!Militan1404 wrote: »Yeah bg need a rework, it needs to be reworked so players can vote to kick like you can i random dungeons. That way groups can vote and kick players that joins bg with 20k health and pve gear, that also often makes players that are actually built for pvp leave. Imagining pvp players joining vet dungeons and trials in pvp gear(some proboly do tho) just to get some daily xp, they would be kicked in no time.
I'm certainly not saying PvPers are angels, but how would vote kick in PvP be abused anymore than it is in PvE? It requires a unanimous vote among all others in the group, and groups in solo queue are all completely random people. Youd have to be doing something like standing on the spawn or something to *** off three randoms.
Compared to PvE, where I've been kicked out of dungeons mid way because a group of three wanted their mate to join.
That is entirely wrong. Everyone knows that if a pvp'er and his 2 buddies all click queue at the same time they get put in the same match on a team. Solo is NOT solo like you think it is the entire vote kick system needs to be removed it just gets abused.0 -
Lenascissorhands wrote: »Yeah but some people have no choice but to join in PVE builds since the armory is broken and they won't fix it that makes using a pvp build useless.
What are you referring to? I use my armory station daily and have vampire, werewolf and and non-curse builds for PvE, healer builds. All works fine, what would not?
If you only swap sets, you might use an Addon.
I've tried it twice now I set up an entire build gear skills cp points some with vampire some without and it works for a day or 2 then all of a sudden "Failed to equip" and that build is now lost and won't work no matter what you do and it has to be set up all over again NO TY!0 -
barney2525 wrote: »Lenascissorhands wrote: »They really need to change up BG's in the worst way. For one the classes are so unbalanced right now if you aren't a werewolf or a dragon knight you are toast! STOP reworking classes one at a time it renders the others useless. Next the daily xp reward needs to be changed to PARTICIPATE not WIN a match! This will keep the PVE folks from being stuck in something all day long that they don't want to be in and the pvp people won't cry there are pve builds in their BG! Next after that is the spawn in zone needs to be removed Just spawn the players into the battle field so there is no more AFK in there to drag out the matches. Another thing is that the leaving battle ground penalty is a joke If someone quits mid battle it should be a 24 hour penalty on that account for pvp!
what if it's a disconnect, not the fault of the player? They didn't leave, they weren't kicked. Technical issues happen. Now we are going to make it really punitive if your internet goes down?
I agree with the WW thing. I only do BGs with low level characters for the xp. I get to inflict sub- 1k damage while I get slammed by WW or DK leap for 17k
They can tell if it's a DC or if they just leave the BG I've played games before where you needed an item to get into a dungeon and if you left the item was gone but if the game DC'd that item got refunded back to you they have ways of telling what happened.0 -
MRAW✭✭✭Lenascissorhands wrote: »Lenascissorhands wrote: »Yeah but some people have no choice but to join in PVE builds since the armory is broken and they won't fix it that makes using a pvp build useless.
What are you referring to? I use my armory station daily and have vampire, werewolf and and non-curse builds for PvE, healer builds. All works fine, what would not?
If you only swap sets, you might use an Addon.
I've tried it twice now I set up an entire build gear skills cp points some with vampire some without and it works for a day or 2 then all of a sudden "Failed to equip" and that build is now lost and won't work no matter what you do and it has to be set up all over again NO TY!
How to Fix the "Failed to Equip" Error
Check your inventory: The Armory Station cannot pull gear directly from your bank or housing storage. Ensure all armor and weapons required for the build are in your character's bag/inventory.
Check subclass quests: The error frequently triggers on characters using subclasses if the subclass quest A Study in Discipline is abandoned or uncompleted. Pick up the quest again to see if it fixes your build swaps.0 -
Lenascissorhands wrote: »Lenascissorhands wrote: »Yeah but some people have no choice but to join in PVE builds since the armory is broken and they won't fix it that makes using a pvp build useless.
Check subclass quests: The error frequently triggers on characters using subclasses if the subclass quest A Study in Discipline is abandoned or uncompleted. Pick up the quest again to see if it fixes your build swaps.
So you are saying I have to clog up my quest journal with a quest that can't be completed to be able to swap builds.... Yeah no ty! I'll try it to see if it fixes it but that's just ridiculous!0 -
SandandStars✭✭✭✭✭Kind of a tangent, but has anyone fought a Werewolf in PvP that doesn't spam Fear like mad? Does it seem like high damage + high sustain + Fear is a workable combo for fun PvP?0