PvP Veterancy rank values / difference between AP & XP

GeneralGrundmann · June 8

Brian said, leveling up to level 50 should be quite fast.

I did all BG dailies once today and one IC daily, all done with a +50% AP torte.

Ended on veterancy level 17.

I missed writing down the rank values, was someone smart enough to write these down?

Are there any official rank values?

And does anyone know how XP in IC are taken into account concerning the veterancy rank values compared to AP?

msgeek · June 8

My understanding is that:

1 AP = 1 Rank point
1 XP = 0.16 Rank points.

I have no idea of the rank points required per rank. Keen to find out.

Spent 1 hour doing 2 towns worth of dailys and 1BG with both a 150 scroll + 150 torte. ended up rank 11.

Gabriel_H · June 9

Some clarity on this would be helpful. Is it a set amount or is it exponential (like Level & Rank)?

Ah ha! Found it:

msgeek · June 9

If I extrapolate from the known values at rank 1 and 3 I get the above. Don't know if it'll hold for higher ranks (maybe there's a jump like with champion points). Not in front of PS5 atm to check other ranks, anyone able to check / confirm a few others?

msgeek · June 9

edit: minor correction

GeneralGrundmann · June 9

From level 17 to 18 are 19,050 rank points necessary

From level 19 to 20 are 20,808 rank points necessary

From level 20 to 21 are 21,756 rank points necessary

From level 21 to 22 are 22,755 rank points necessary

heimdall14_9 · June 9

msgeek wrote: »

edit: minor correction

so we are looking at just 2.03 mill ap from 0-100 ???

Aislinna · June 9

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

msgeek wrote: »

edit: minor correction

so we are looking at just 2.03 mill ap from 0-100 ???

Across 153 days, that's 13,262 per daay.

msgeek · June 9

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

so we are looking at just 2.03 mill ap from 0-100 ???

No, I assumed simple linear growth, doesn't appear to be the case based on GeneralGrundmann latest values, likely an under estimate.

If he's able to post the 21-22 value I'll have 3 in a row and may be able to find a better fit.

GeneralGrundmann · June 9

GeneralGrundmann wrote: »

From level 17 to 18 are 19,050 rank points necessary

From level 19 to 20 are 20,808 rank points necessary

From level 20 to 21 are 21,756 rank points necessary

From level 21 to 22 are 22,755 rank points necessary

I continue to play and update levels with rank points

22 to 23 are 23,807 rank points

23 to 24 are 24,913 rank points

heimdall14_9 · June 9

Aislinna wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

msgeek wrote: »

edit: minor correction

so we are looking at just 2.03 mill ap from 0-100 ???

Across 153 days, that's 13,262 per daay.

i average 350-400k AP per day when i pvp im not going to need 153 days 😂

PS opps i hope i just didnt mess up my Q luck because with Q times it might take 153 days just waiting to get in 😆

heimdall14_9 · June 9

msgeek wrote: »

heimdall14_9 wrote: »

so we are looking at just 2.03 mill ap from 0-100 ???

No, I assumed simple linear growth, doesn't appear to be the case based on GeneralGrundmann latest values, likely an under estimate.

If he's able to post the 21-22 value I'll have 3 in a row and may be able to find a better fit.

ill give it a day or two and let you all figure it out thanks for do it tho hopefully we'll get the right formula soon that they used

Nemesis7884 · June 9

GeneralGrundmann wrote: »

Brian said, leveling up to level 50 should be quite fast.

I did all BG dailies once today and one IC daily, all done with a +50% AP torte.

Ended on veterancy level 17.

I missed writing down the rank values, was someone smart enough to write these down?

Are there any official rank values?

And does anyone know how XP in IC are taken into account concerning the veterancy rank values compared to AP?

the torte only counts towards alliance war rank not ap points so i would assume there is no benefit to veterancy? Or does Veterancy also count as alliance war rank?

heimdall14_9 · June 9

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

GeneralGrundmann wrote: »

Brian said, leveling up to level 50 should be quite fast.

I did all BG dailies once today and one IC daily, all done with a +50% AP torte.

Ended on veterancy level 17.

I missed writing down the rank values, was someone smart enough to write these down?

Are there any official rank values?

And does anyone know how XP in IC are taken into account concerning the veterancy rank values compared to AP?

the torte only counts towards alliance war rank not ap points so i would assume there is no benefit to veterancy? Or does Veterancy also count as alliance war rank?

i seen others say they used it and it works but havent tried it myself yet been doing 3rd account in NM get buff pages so all my accounts know it

GeneralGrundmann · June 9

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

GeneralGrundmann wrote: »

Brian said, leveling up to level 50 should be quite fast.

I did all BG dailies once today and one IC daily, all done with a +50% AP torte.

Ended on veterancy level 17.

I missed writing down the rank values, was someone smart enough to write these down?

Are there any official rank values?

And does anyone know how XP in IC are taken into account concerning the veterancy rank values compared to AP?

the torte only counts towards alliance war rank not ap points so i would assume there is no benefit to veterancy? Or does Veterancy also count as alliance war rank?

I tested it and the torte works for me because you get more Alliance Points. At least in battlegrounds it seems to work like that.

Nemesis7884 · June 9

GeneralGrundmann wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

GeneralGrundmann wrote: »

Brian said, leveling up to level 50 should be quite fast.

I did all BG dailies once today and one IC daily, all done with a +50% AP torte.

Ended on veterancy level 17.

I missed writing down the rank values, was someone smart enough to write these down?

Are there any official rank values?

And does anyone know how XP in IC are taken into account concerning the veterancy rank values compared to AP?

the torte only counts towards alliance war rank not ap points so i would assume there is no benefit to veterancy? Or does Veterancy also count as alliance war rank?

I tested it and the torte works for me because you get more Alliance Points. At least in battlegrounds it seems to work like that.

you should not get more alliance points through the torte

GeneralGrundmann · June 9

Yeah, I know what the torte tooltip says.

But how does Alliance Rank works? Through more AP. Torte increases AP.

How does Veterancy levels work? Through rank points. Rank points = AP. Torte increases AP.

Don't know if this is intended, but it works like that. *shrug* Or I misunderstand the numbers, everything possible.

msgeek · June 9

My best estimate is now saying it could be as much as 10M to reach 100. It's hard to say though as it seems they may be rounding the multiplier... I'll continue incorporating any additional values into the model and update if I get anything more solid.

GeneralGrundmann · June 9

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

GeneralGrundmann wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

GeneralGrundmann wrote: »

Brian said, leveling up to level 50 should be quite fast.

I did all BG dailies once today and one IC daily, all done with a +50% AP torte.

Ended on veterancy level 17.

I missed writing down the rank values, was someone smart enough to write these down?

Are there any official rank values?

And does anyone know how XP in IC are taken into account concerning the veterancy rank values compared to AP?

the torte only counts towards alliance war rank not ap points so i would assume there is no benefit to veterancy? Or does Veterancy also count as alliance war rank?

I tested it and the torte works for me because you get more Alliance Points. At least in battlegrounds it seems to work like that.

you should not get more alliance points through the torte

You are totally right, after some more testing, I don't get more Alliance Points with the torte, but still more Rank Points.

Nemesis7884 · June 9

GeneralGrundmann wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

GeneralGrundmann wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

GeneralGrundmann wrote: »

Brian said, leveling up to level 50 should be quite fast.

I did all BG dailies once today and one IC daily, all done with a +50% AP torte.

Ended on veterancy level 17.

I missed writing down the rank values, was someone smart enough to write these down?

Are there any official rank values?

And does anyone know how XP in IC are taken into account concerning the veterancy rank values compared to AP?

the torte only counts towards alliance war rank not ap points so i would assume there is no benefit to veterancy? Or does Veterancy also count as alliance war rank?

I tested it and the torte works for me because you get more Alliance Points. At least in battlegrounds it seems to work like that.

you should not get more alliance points through the torte

You are totally right, after some more testing, I don't get more Alliance Points with the torte, but still more Rank Points.

thx for testing with rank points i assume you also mean veterancy? thats cool... makes kinda sense that its treated the same and definitely a +

GeneralGrundmann · June 9

Yes, exactly, I meant veterancy (rank) points.

TheMrPancake · June 10

Total for rank 100: 10,248,000 Veterancy Rank Points
The point requirement stops increasing at rank 50 (at 168,000) and the halfway point is rank 69

The repeatable level 101 reward is:
1x Veterancy Rewards for the Worthy (Purple)
1x Veterancy Crafting Pouch (purple)

GeneralGrundmann · June 10

TheMrPancake wrote: »

Total for rank 100: 10,248,000 Veterancy Rank Points
The point requirement stops increasing at rank 50 (at 168,000) and the halfway point is rank 69

The repeatable level 101 reward is:
1x Veterancy Rewards for the Worthy (Purple)
1x Veterancy Crafting Pouch (purple)

@TheMrPancake
Thank you very much sir! 😀

Where do you got these numbers from? Your own experience or from somewhere else?

GeneralGrundmann · June 10

10,248,000 divided by 150 days are approximately 70,000 rank points each day.

GeneralGrundmann · June 14

Finally reached rank 50.

That's an increase from 87.000 to 168.000 between rank 50 and 51. And every level that follows. Quite some work.

ForfiniteStories · June 14

It's so slow past 50. I hate it!

Gabriel_H · June 14

GeneralGrundmann wrote: »

Finally reached rank 50.

That's an increase from 87.000 to 168.000 between rank 50 and 51. And every level that follows. Quite some work.

A flat 81k per level?

GeneralGrundmann · June 15

After rank 50 each rank needs 168k for the next rank.

GeneralGrundmann · June 15

ForfiniteStories wrote: »

It's so slow past 50. I hate it!

Personally, I don't think it's that bad. 168K are earned through approximately 5 BG victories or 10 BG losses and any combination of these.

That would bring us to something roughly between 30 and 60 minutes PvP-Battleground playtime or a little more.

It's not even necessary to do this every day, every second day would be enough.

Yes, climbing up the ranks feels slow, but I think it's okay.

Treeshka · June 15

Experience also affects it so during a Mayhem week we will get both double experience and double Alliance Point gains. Then we can use Scrolls or Potions to get additional %100 or %150 boost for both of these sources. I think during a Mayhem week it would be so much faster to grind this new Battle Pass like thing.

olsborg · June 15

Its not that difficult. A friend if mine got rank 100 3 days ago and Im sitting at rank 91