the new survey maps and treasure maps

FurryCandyHearts

I am sure i am not the only one that uses the addon to sort the maps by region. the only way that works is to open them up to see what they are. Stacking them without knowing what region they belong to but sorted by material type is useless. it steals time from me to have to open each one so my addon can sort it by region. I don't know anyone who goes out and gathers up maps by material type. Literally everyone opens up all their maps and gathers them up by region they are located in because gathering them by region makes the most sense. The unopened maps are useless annoyances.

<edited title to remove curse/profanity>

Soarora

“Literally everyone”… meanwhile I do them by material type /shrug. Doesn’t make a lick of difference to me if they’re in the same region when I’d be porting to a wayshrine anyways.

UrQuan

Your poll doesn't even ask a question. Are you asking if people like the new unopened surveys and maps, or are you asking if people agree with you? Because depending on which you're trying (and failing) to ask, what people vote for is going to be completely different.

I love the new unopened maps and surveys because they free up so much of my inventory space, and I can put them in a guild bank or trade them. If you don't like them that way, then you can just open them as you get them and it's absolutely no different from how it was before.

UrQuan

Do you know how much inventory space this all would have taken up under the old system? I practically did a dance of joy when I finally used up all of my old pre-container surveys...

AzuraFan

I like the system because it saves inventory slots. But...

I'm working on antiquities leads right now, and when I come across one that requires a treasure map, what am I supposed to do? Open every map to see if I get one in that zone? That defeats the purpose of the envelope. Instead, I buy from guild vendors, even though I have a bunch of maps in an envelope.

AlienatedGoat

AzuraFan wrote: »

I like the system because it saves inventory slots. But...

I'm working on antiquities leads right now, and when I come across one that requires a treasure map, what am I supposed to do? Open every map to see if I get one in that zone? That defeats the purpose of the envelope. Instead, I buy from guild vendors, even though I have a bunch of maps in an envelope.

Exactly. It's meant to save space. If you're actively wanting to farm out surveys/maps/writs, that's when you open the envelopes. Some of the best QoL we've gotten this year.

NoticeMeArkay

UrQuan wrote: »

Do you know how much inventory space this all would have taken up under the old system? I practically did a dance of joy when I finally used up all of my old pre-container surveys...

Same here. Having only one of my container boxes assigned to those things is so much better than what we had previously.

spartaxoxo

I love how they work now. It saved a lot of space and it's easy to open if you ready to farm them up. It becomes a lot of effort if they're piled up high but having to clear out a bunch of maps to get them out of your inventory was time consuming too. Now, if I let too many build up, I can just sell them off to someone who wants to all that (not me). It's great.

LunaFlora

more inventory and bank space is good

karthrag_inak

"literally everyone". Khajiit chuckled.

BretonMage

Maps should stack by region, eg. Unidentified Greenshade map. That way we would know if we want to keep/sell/trash it.

BretonMage

AzuraFan wrote: »

I like the system because it saves inventory slots. But...

I'm working on antiquities leads right now, and when I come across one that requires a treasure map, what am I supposed to do? Open every map to see if I get one in that zone? That defeats the purpose of the envelope. Instead, I buy from guild vendors, even though I have a bunch of maps in an envelope.

And unfortunately because now everyone else is hoarding their treasure maps, too few are selling the ones we need for the rare antiquity leads:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8473990/#Comment_8473990

I honestly think it would have been better for everyone if we could have had treasure maps stacking by region.

Treasure maps are not like the survey maps where what you get is more or less standardised across regions. For treasure maps, you can have a map worth literally nothing offering a chance at an old set piece, or a valuable map offering a chance at a rare antiquity lead.

It's a lot easier for players to receive an Unidentified Auridon map or Unidentified Telvanni Peninsula map and know immediately whether it goes in the trash or is kept/sold. And for those with junk management addons, it's easier to make one rule for each zone, than have to make a rule for each individual map.

lillybit

Personally I don't think unidentified maps by region would add very much. At the moment they stack as containers and each map also stacks. Yes it would be nice to see what you're going to get before you open them but not so much it's worth the extra inventory management.

I don't even know how that would work for surveys. You just get an unidentified Glenumbra survey from all crafts? They're generated when you open them so it wouldn't know what they're supposed to be. You could only do blacksmith writs but all your surveys end up being enchanting.

Arunei

I personally prefer how it is now as opposed to how it was. It was something that'd been getting asked for for years, for Maps and Surveys and Master Writs to stack. This was probably the easiest way they had to do it. I imagine making "Unidentified" Maps for each Zone would have been a lot more work or something that was too unstable.

Thoriorz

Leave the surveys as they are (unopened).
As for the Treasure Maps, I’d prefer them to work as they did before—where a map of a specific region drops—but they should be stackable, and definitely not labeled I, II, III, etc.; “Auridon Treasure Map” is sufficient.

BretonMage

lillybit wrote: »

Personally I don't think unidentified maps by region would add very much. At the moment they stack as containers and each map also stacks. Yes it would be nice to see what you're going to get before you open them but not so much it's worth the extra inventory management.

I don't even know how that would work for surveys. You just get an unidentified Glenumbra survey from all crafts? They're generated when you open them so it wouldn't know what they're supposed to be. You could only do blacksmith writs but all your surveys end up being enchanting.

We wouldn't need region-specific unidentified surveys, because all surveys produce the same mats anyway. There isn't the kind of disparity in drops that we see for treasure maps.

Danikat

I prefer the surveys the way they are now.

I always did them by material type, based on which materials I needed or wanted to collect at the time. Even if I was doing a few different ones it didn't matter if they were in the same zone or not because they're still pretty spread out so either way I was going to be using a wayshrine to go from one to another.

rothan117

OP is making the wild assumption that everyone does things the same way the OP does. I gather my maps by material type and when I am low on materials for that craft, I go out and run the surveys for that craft. I do not do them by region at all.

AzuraFan

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

AzuraFan wrote: »

I like the system because it saves inventory slots. But...

I'm working on antiquities leads right now, and when I come across one that requires a treasure map, what am I supposed to do? Open every map to see if I get one in that zone? That defeats the purpose of the envelope. Instead, I buy from guild vendors, even though I have a bunch of maps in an envelope.

Exactly. It's meant to save space. If you're actively wanting to farm out surveys/maps/writs, that's when you open the envelopes. Some of the best QoL we've gotten this year.

Let's say I'm working on a treasure map lead for High Isle and I have 35 unopened maps. You're suggesting that it's great that I have to open all 35 maps to see if I get a High Isle map? And if I don't, that's wonderful? So now I'm stuck with 35 maps in my inventory that I don't need at the time. What if I get one but only after opening 33 maps. What if I have 60 unopened maps?

So to avoid that situation, I buy from guild vendors, even though I have 35 maps, and that's great?

Like I said, I like the system overall, but in cases like these, it just doesn't work well. If we could return maps to the envelope, that would be okay, but we can't.

tomofhyrule

But the new maps also are not unique, so once you open them you can have stacks of "Telvanni Peninsula Treasure Map I" instead of being stuck trying to keep them all in your mail.

I know I'm someone who only opens the surveys when I want to do them, so the location is irrelevant - especially if I want to do a "collect 15 ore nodes" challenge, I couldn't care less where said nodes are, as long as they're the right type.

For maps though, most are pretty worthless save for the ones that drop leads, and even then the drop rates on the leads are so low that it's essentially worthless to open them. If the problem here is "we want to target certain zones for leads!" wouldn't the correct fix to that problem be making those leads have better drop rates (and drop from overland chests instead of just maps) instead of trying to bloat everyone's inventories with 42(!) different stacks instead of one 'unopened map'?

whitecrow

I always open maps immediately so this is an unnecessary step for me.

wolfie1.0.

Love the new surveys. Because they stack up to 200 and can be placed in banks and tradeable. Its the most compact way to store those types of mats. Helps if you dont have a craft bag.

As for treasure maps... honestly what was done to them was overkill. They just needed to stackable by name and allowed to be placed into storage like guild banks.

FurryCandyHearts

UrQuan wrote: »

Your poll doesn't even ask a question. Are you asking if people like the new unopened surveys and maps, or are you asking if people agree with you? Because depending on which you're trying (and failing) to ask, what people vote for is going to be completely different.

I love the new unopened maps and surveys because they free up so much of my inventory space, and I can put them in a guild bank or trade them. If you don't like them that way, then you can just open them as you get them and it's absolutely no different from how it was before.

it does not ask a question or make a declarative statement because zos edited it poorly to remove the word i called them.

DoofusMax

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

Literally everyone opens up all their maps and gathers them up by region they are located in because gathering them by region makes the most sense.

Thank you, OP, for telling the whole world that I am nobody. I don't have any opened survey maps, but I think I might have one opened Treasure Map (Greymoor caverns, I think - couldn't easily find the location and just put it back in storage). I'm also the nobody who used an entire storage chest to hold only alliance-zone surveys (4 maps times 15 zones is a convenient number) and then had to clear out the Bank every week or two because the others kept eating my storage space. Also had to dedicate play time to clearing out Treasure Maps for the same reason. Now I have a whole six stacks of surveys (as opposed to "sixty plus Bank") and one of Treasure Maps. I open them when I need them, don't particularly care where they are, and enjoy using my storage for other stuff now.

Be cautions of claims like "Literally everyone" because all it takes is one counterexample to completely collapse your argument.

bmnoble

I will grab a stack of ten or more of one material type that I am in short supply of then go do them, even when I was more active and did the lot it was of one material type at a time.

M_Volsung

I just use them as I get them, I don't let them build up to ridiculous levels that require add-ons to deal with.

Aylish

You can literally use them the exact same way as before. In this case, you just open them and have the maps from before.
Otherwise, you can save them and they only take this one inventory slot per profession.
I don‘t get what your question is but I like the maps better now.

UrQuan

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Your poll doesn't even ask a question. Are you asking if people like the new unopened surveys and maps, or are you asking if people agree with you? Because depending on which you're trying (and failing) to ask, what people vote for is going to be completely different.

I love the new unopened maps and surveys because they free up so much of my inventory space, and I can put them in a guild bank or trade them. If you don't like them that way, then you can just open them as you get them and it's absolutely no different from how it was before.

it does not ask a question or make a declarative statement because zos edited it poorly to remove the word i called them.

So you framed the question in a way that goes against the forum rules, which is your own fault. And you still haven't told people what question you're actually trying to ask in the poll... Maybe because you can see that with 1 exception every single response in the thread disagrees with what you said in the OP about surveys so you no longer want to see how people vote when they actually know what you're asking?

lillybit

AzuraFan wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

AzuraFan wrote: »

I like the system because it saves inventory slots. But...

I'm working on antiquities leads right now, and when I come across one that requires a treasure map, what am I supposed to do? Open every map to see if I get one in that zone? That defeats the purpose of the envelope. Instead, I buy from guild vendors, even though I have a bunch of maps in an envelope.

Exactly. It's meant to save space. If you're actively wanting to farm out surveys/maps/writs, that's when you open the envelopes. Some of the best QoL we've gotten this year.

Let's say I'm working on a treasure map lead for High Isle and I have 35 unopened maps. You're suggesting that it's great that I have to open all 35 maps to see if I get a High Isle map? And if I don't, that's wonderful? So now I'm stuck with 35 maps in my inventory that I don't need at the time. What if I get one but only after opening 33 maps. What if I have 60 unopened maps?

So to avoid that situation, I buy from guild vendors, even though I have 35 maps, and that's great?

Like I said, I like the system overall, but in cases like these, it just doesn't work well. If we could return maps to the envelope, that would be okay, but we can't.

No it's not great, but going from a single unopened map to over 20 for everyone, regardless of whether they want a specific region or not, isn't the answer. That would be some sort of curation when you open them. Then everyone wins.

AzuraFan

lillybit wrote: »

No it's not great, but going from a single unopened map to over 20 for everyone, regardless of whether they want a specific region or not, isn't the answer. That would be some sort of curation when you open them. Then everyone wins.

I didn't say it was the answer. I didn't suggest that we go back to the old system (in fact, I said I like the new system overall). I was pointing out that there are some cases where the new system makes things worse.

DenverRalphy

AzuraFan wrote: »

AlienatedGoat wrote: »

AzuraFan wrote: »

I like the system because it saves inventory slots. But...

I'm working on antiquities leads right now, and when I come across one that requires a treasure map, what am I supposed to do? Open every map to see if I get one in that zone? That defeats the purpose of the envelope. Instead, I buy from guild vendors, even though I have a bunch of maps in an envelope.

Exactly. It's meant to save space. If you're actively wanting to farm out surveys/maps/writs, that's when you open the envelopes. Some of the best QoL we've gotten this year.

Let's say I'm working on a treasure map lead for High Isle and I have 35 unopened maps. You're suggesting that it's great that I have to open all 35 maps to see if I get a High Isle map? And if I don't, that's wonderful? So now I'm stuck with 35 maps in my inventory that I don't need at the time. What if I get one but only after opening 33 maps. What if I have 60 unopened maps?

So to avoid that situation, I buy from guild vendors, even though I have 35 maps, and that's great?

Like I said, I like the system overall, but in cases like these, it just doesn't work well. If we could return maps to the envelope, that would be okay, but we can't.

What's great is that all of those 35 unopened maps only used one slot in your bank to save them up. Prior to the change, you had to reserve 50-100 of your bank slots for storing treasure maps, and even then only one of each map at a time.

Acquiring your needed map works exactly as it did before. Whether you nabbed 1 High Isle map when opening all 35 unknowns at once, or you got the same map through attrition over time looting 35 individual already-known maps, the total average number of maps required will remain near the same. The difference being inventory management is now significantly less of a headache.