maarselok (pvp)

thesarahandcompany

hey zos u have a proc set doing 4k+ ticks without crits

fix it

Oblivion_Protocol

Really? You have a problem with a monster set doing a little over 4K dot damage, lol? Trust me, there are far worse things in this game to worry about. Maarselok, while useful, is nowhere near broken, and it’s survivable if you know what you’re doing.

aLi3nZ

Looks like a

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

Really? You have a problem with a monster set doing a little over 4K dot damage, lol? Trust me, there are far worse things in this game to worry about. Maarselok, while useful, is nowhere near broken, and it’s survivable if you know what you’re doing.

agree. This monster set seems pretty good but the way to proc it in PvP is hard. So this is fully worth the high ticks op is complaining about.

Can someone please recommend me a few good PvP monster sets for magika damage dealer?

albertberku

I believe it needs a nerf, as well. Idk, everytime anyone using this casts a single streak on me, and i just get it in my death recap. So, doesnt really look hard to proc to me. Never seen it didnt proc after that sudden streak from nowhere. Dmg from the builds that utilizing this becomes unbearable actually when you are on a shield build.

It is a melee heavy attack not fully charged. So they would just hold mouse for some milliseconds longer than an usual LA. I say make it at least a fully charged heavy attack the proc condition.

gammelscroll

Nerf DK's

Oblivion_Protocol

albertberku wrote: »

I believe it needs a nerf, as well. Idk, everytime anyone using this casts a single streak on me, and i just get it in my death recap. So, doesnt really look hard to proc to me. Never seen it didnt proc after that sudden streak from nowhere. Dmg from the builds that utilizing this becomes unbearable actually when you are on a shield build.

It is a melee heavy attack not fully charged. So they would just hold mouse for some milliseconds longer than an usual LA. I say make it at least a fully charged heavy attack the proc condition.

Your problem isn’t Maarselok. Your problem is Streak. Of course Maarselok proc will kill you if you’re just standing around doing nothing and letting it tick on you while getting hit by huge burst damage on the side. Anything will do so more easily in that situation.

Yes, it’s a not fully charged melee attack to proc it. But that’s after laying a bunch of dots and status effects on people and hoping that (in this subclassing meta) they don’t get cleansed before the proc. If you can keep your healing up, you shouldn’t have a big problem with this set.

gammelscroll wrote: »

Nerf DK's

1. That has nothing to do with this post, lol.
2. I’ve seen higher numbers from subclassed Wardens and MagBlades. Hell, I’ve done higher numbers with a MagSorc. DK is just fine right where it is.

albertberku

Why people in these forums always assume others began playing the game two weeks ago? No one needs a lecture about the gameplay i guess at this point. Try it yourself, go with a shield build, and tell me how maarselok builds work against you. If you go out there with 8k HoT builds that everyone runs, you will not notice how powerful maarselok against some builds is. But there are some other builds in this game. Just stop trying to teach people how this game is played. Everyone knows it more or less by now.

thesarahandcompany

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

Really? You have a problem with a monster set doing a little over 4K dot damage, lol? Trust me, there are far worse things in this game to worry about. Maarselok, while useful, is nowhere near broken, and it’s survivable if you know what you’re doing.

4k per tick for 4 ticks and it stacks.

So if 3 people hit you with it that's 12k per second please read

It's easily top cmx damage

Oblivion_Protocol

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

4k per tick for 4 ticks and it stacks.

So if 3 people hit you with it that's 12k per second please read

It's easily top cmx damage

…yeah, if three people hit you with ANYTHING all at once, it’s going to deal massive damage. Name the proc set that wouldn’t melt you if three people hit you with it at once, lol.

However, I haven't seen the scenario where I’m fighting more than one person wearing Maarselok, and 4k per tick can be outhealed easily if you know what you’re doing.

Also, 12k damage from three people over four seconds is chump change. There are procs that can and will delete you for like 40k+ in ONE second if fired off by three people at once.

El_Borracho

Maarselok? In PVP? Is it 2024 all over again? Time to dust off my Vateshran Ice Staff and Hrothgar/Mara's Balm combo.

Urzigurumash

El_Borracho wrote: »

Maarselok? In PVP? Is it 2024 all over again? Time to dust off my Vateshran Ice Staff and Hrothgar/Mara's Balm combo.

It never stopped being good in the True Elite PVP (xbox BGs)

Urzigurumash

Imo it is still one of the only good damage proc Monster Sets, and also one of the only good DoTs. I like sets that go well with Ye Olde Medium Weaving Dizzy and this is one of them.

El_Borracho

Urzigurumash wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

Maarselok? In PVP? Is it 2024 all over again? Time to dust off my Vateshran Ice Staff and Hrothgar/Mara's Balm combo.

It never stopped being good in the True Elite PVP (xbox BGs)

Its fine. Its outperformed by other builds. But this thread treats it like the original Maarselok which was brutal. Like others have said, if you are dying to this set, its not the set.

This is what it used to be:

When you Bash an enemy, you spew a cone of corruption, dealing 7200 Disease damage to enemies over 4 seconds. This damage is increased by 5% for each negative effect the enemies have, up to 150% additional damage. This effect can occur once every 7 seconds.

xylena

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

So if 3 people hit you with it that's 12k per second

If 30 people hit me with Resto Light Attack that's like 30k dps. NERF RESTO LA.

Unlike other procs such as Pyrebrand that are brainless zero effort passive damage, Maarselok takes a lot of setup and actually timing a burst window with landing a heavy. It doesn't one shot. It can be purged. Then it goes on cooldown. If procs are to be part of this game, this is what they should be like. Did they ever fix the bug where it fails to trigger at all?

thesarahandcompany

xylena wrote: »

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

So if 3 people hit you with it that's 12k per second

If 30 people hit me with Resto Light Attack that's like 30k dps. NERF RESTO LA.

Unlike other procs such as Pyrebrand that are brainless zero effort passive damage, Maarselok takes a lot of setup and actually timing a burst window with landing a heavy. It doesn't one shot. It can be purged. Then it goes on cooldown. If procs are to be part of this game, this is what they should be like. Did they ever fix the bug where it fails to trigger at all?

This is beyond a bad faith argument if I've ever seen one. Resto light attacks are nowhere near comparable. And Maarselok doesn't require set up. You can proc it with a medium attack lmao.

Vaqual

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

So if 3 people hit you with it that's 12k per second

If 30 people hit me with Resto Light Attack that's like 30k dps. NERF RESTO LA.

Unlike other procs such as Pyrebrand that are brainless zero effort passive damage, Maarselok takes a lot of setup and actually timing a burst window with landing a heavy. It doesn't one shot. It can be purged. Then it goes on cooldown. If procs are to be part of this game, this is what they should be like. Did they ever fix the bug where it fails to trigger at all?

This is beyond a bad faith argument if I've ever seen one. Resto light attacks are nowhere near comparable. And Maarselok doesn't require set up. You can proc it with a medium attack lmao.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Oblivion_Protocol

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

This is beyond a bad faith argument if I've ever seen one. Resto light attacks are nowhere near comparable. And Maarselok doesn't require set up. You can proc it with a medium attack lmao.

Earlier, you mentioned that Maarselok ticks for 4k damage four times for 12k damage (which, by the way, is 16k damage because math). Saying it doesn’t require set up implies that it just deals massive damage on its own, which 16k over four ticks doesn’t qualify. Nearly every other dot in the game hits harder.

If you’re dying to 16k damage dots, that just sounds like a ‘you’ problem.

thesarahandcompany

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

This is beyond a bad faith argument if I've ever seen one. Resto light attacks are nowhere near comparable. And Maarselok doesn't require set up. You can proc it with a medium attack lmao.

Earlier, you mentioned that Maarselok ticks for 4k damage four times for 12k damage (which, by the way, is 16k damage because math). Saying it doesn’t require set up implies that it just deals massive damage on its own, which 16k over four ticks doesn’t qualify. Nearly every other dot in the game hits harder.

If you’re dying to 16k damage dots, that just sounds like a ‘you’ problem.

If 3 people use it on you at 4k ticks per second, that's 12k per second. Sulfur brain.

4 * 3 = 12
4 3 times is 4 4 4 = 4 + 4 + 4 = 12

Imagine trying to math-check someone doing their phd in statistics and failing at it because you can't read. That's peak ESO player irony

thesarahandcompany

This proves nothing.

Vaqual wrote: »

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

So if 3 people hit you with it that's 12k per second

If 30 people hit me with Resto Light Attack that's like 30k dps. NERF RESTO LA.

Unlike other procs such as Pyrebrand that are brainless zero effort passive damage, Maarselok takes a lot of setup and actually timing a burst window with landing a heavy. It doesn't one shot. It can be purged. Then it goes on cooldown. If procs are to be part of this game, this is what they should be like. Did they ever fix the bug where it fails to trigger at all?

This is beyond a bad faith argument if I've ever seen one. Resto light attacks are nowhere near comparable. And Maarselok doesn't require set up. You can proc it with a medium attack lmao.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Reductio ad absurdum only works if your argument isn't a slippery slope. Because by sarcastic extension, the poster is saying resto light attacks are actually not strong. So why don't we buff resto light attacks? Because they don't have a use-value like that of Maarselok. It's a moot point. And if you can use an ad absurdum argument to make a point, then why buff or nerf anything.

Burtan

Totally agree that this monster set is overperforming right now but i feel that it has more to do with the current strength and accessibility of status effects and sets associated with them.

Maarselok is especially disgusting when combined with something like Serpent's Disdain and charged weapons, effectively maintaining maximum value with no effort, which is what many people are doing.

This set would be fine if it wasn't so effortless to maintain its maximum value.

xylena

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

hey zos u have a proc set doing 4k+ ticks

Maarselok doesn't require set up

You don't even seem to know how the mechanics work.

Oblivion_Protocol

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

If 3 people use it on you at 4k ticks per second, that's 12k per second. Sulfur brain.

4 * 3 = 12
4 3 times is 4 4 4 = 4 + 4 + 4 = 12

Imagine trying to math-check someone doing their phd in statistics and failing at it because you can't read. That's peak ESO player irony

My math was wrong, but my point stands. You’re complaining about nothing. Maarselok hasn’t been relevant since the Master’s Dual Wield meta three years ago. If you’re dying to it, it’s a skill issue. Plain and simple.

albertberku

Bro, those "skill issue" answers, lmao. In every single PvP thread. Fighting against DK skill issue, fighting against subclass with pure class skill issue, fighting against proc sets skill issue. If i wouldn't actually play the game, i would think ESO PvP's carry builds aren't real and aren't the worst among online PvP games. Lol.

ceruulean

We have some high MMR matches here (kinda, there's clearly a newbie player on fire drakes):



At first I thought the DK with 3.6mil damage was exploiting double mundus or subclass passives so I asked around. Apparently he's just a very good player. All I know is he was wearing Maarselok and Rallying Cry, and is a DK subclassed with Storm Calling. He uses Thrive in Chaos ulti which kinda inflates the damage done since it's a DOT build. The frontbar is probably Oakfather but I don't know for sure nor do I think it matters. I didn't see any other procs in my Combat Metrics

Like you can see in the screenshot, everyone on my team contributed at least 1 mil damage, these would be "average competent PvPers." There are some cracked players who are built different and do 15-20% more damage than competent players when all are put in the same build. But I don't know if the DK DOT build is enabling the player's damage to skyrocket beyond 20%. Up to ZOS if they believe the disparity in builds or all the free aoe damage is appropriate.

As for me, I'm running a cheese Rush of Agony + Snake in Star build and making people ragequit, lol. I don't run it often for that reason.

But there's something up with maarselok dot dk... I've faced against a few which can melt my healer faster than I can heal... Like it's pretty classic brag behavior to stand in one spot and outheal a dd in a 1v1, but I actually cannot do that against ONE maarselok dot dk? They output enough damage that I have to play serious as if I'm outnumbered? Is it really broken to counter broken with broken? My RoA snake in stars AoE focused build doesn't even do half as much damage.

Oblivion_Protocol

albertberku wrote: »

Bro, those "skill issue" answers, lmao. In every single PvP thread. Fighting against DK skill issue, fighting against subclass with pure class skill issue, fighting against proc sets skill issue. If i wouldn't actually play the game, i would think ESO PvP's carry builds aren't real and aren't the worst among online PvP games. Lol.

I mean, in all honesty, it is a skill issue in most of these cases (though I maintain that subclassing is the culmination of all the worst changes made to PVP over the years). I see it pop up from time to time in BGs and I barely pay it any mind. Yes, occasionally someone manages to drop me because of it. But that could be said about virtually anything.

Now, in BGs, you occasionally get those teammates who melt like butter, leaving you outnumbered and facing an avalanche from an unbalanced opposing team. But that’s an MMR problem, not a problem with Maarselok.

Wuuffyy

ceruulean wrote: »

All I know is he was wearing Maarselok and Rallying Cry

Wow, I'm wondering if Maarselok is the problem then. 0.o

ceruulean

Since U48 I am unable to win in duels against Maarselok DK builds as a plar with purge. I challenged a DK guy in grahtwood, and we both must of had open world builds and stalemated. Then he relogged/armory changed onto a Maarselok relequin DK with storm calling and rechallenged me and killed me very fast. This was before DK rework. So I'm sure that the sets are doing the work.

In fact, during u45 the patch before subclassing, my friend consistently killed my melee stamplar with serpents disdain DK. I knew it was a good set but I'm not a DK dot fan nor did I go on forums to complain because my ranged magplar completely countered that build. Now people are complaining about serpents disdain on forums too. I really wonder what's happening, lol.

What to say about balance when the counter to status effects isn't working (Extended Ritual)...

El_Borracho

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

thesarahandcompany wrote: »

This is beyond a bad faith argument if I've ever seen one. Resto light attacks are nowhere near comparable. And Maarselok doesn't require set up. You can proc it with a medium attack lmao.

Earlier, you mentioned that Maarselok ticks for 4k damage four times for 12k damage (which, by the way, is 16k damage because math). Saying it doesn’t require set up implies that it just deals massive damage on its own, which 16k over four ticks doesn’t qualify. Nearly every other dot in the game hits harder.

If you’re dying to 16k damage dots, that just sounds like a ‘you’ problem.

If 3 people use it on you at 4k ticks per second, that's 12k per second. Sulfur brain.

4 * 3 = 12
4 3 times is 4 4 4 = 4 + 4 + 4 = 12

Imagine trying to math-check someone doing their phd in statistics and failing at it because you can't read. That's peak ESO player irony

So its only a problem if you are 1 v Xing against players where everyone is wearing Maarselok. This "problem" would describe 3+ players wearing Zaan, or Grothdarr, or Ilambris, or any damage proc set. Meaning Maarselok is not a problem