Guild Bank Wiped. Still No Withdrawal Caps.

Furyous · April 3

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Furyous wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

Been watching this thread going around in circles now, with an increasing lack of civility. Let's recap and get on the same page:

- Literally no one would be against adding a robust permissions-based system to guild banks. As @wolfie1.0. point out, some of us have been asking for this for a decade.

We do not have that system...yet. As GM's, we have these 3 options:

- Close the guild bank entirely and use it for auction/raffle/whatever storage.

- Have a "by request" system while locking the bank to all members

- Open the bank to whoever you want, but *know that anyone at any time can wipe the bank* and you need to live with it. Or put in a ticket and see if ZOS chooses to act.

There are permissions in place, right now, that allow you to lock the bank to any rank. Hopefully a WAY better system is coming, as ZOS has hinted at but that is what we have today.

If any of us wanna "roll the dice" by opening our banks, knowing the risk, that's on us.

My original thread wasn’t meant to start a debate about whether we should just “accept” the current system or shut the bank down. It was started to push for better bank controls. The only way the designers know what guilds actually need is if we tell them.

I’m fully aware of the current options. I’ve been running a 500‑member training guild for years, and we’ve used the existing tools as well as anyone can. But the point of this thread was never “help me manage my bank with the limited tools we have.” It was to highlight why those tools are not enough and why withdrawal limits are needed.

Workarounds aren’t the same as solutions. The whole reason to post feedback is so ZOS knows what improvements players want, not to be told we should just live with the limitations forever.

I mean ya go ahead and do so, I wont discourage you from doing it. But I feel like you missed hiyde's and my points. ZOS is and has been made well aware of rhe issue for years. Its been brought up a a Lot over the years. Even in the guide summit. And nothing has changed in over a decade.

So we aren't comming from a place where we disagree or unwillingness tk support it, but more of a place where we really doubt that anything will be done about it.

Right now ZOS seems to be in a “fix the user experience” phase, and they’ve been rolling out a lot of quality‑of‑life improvements. That’s exactly why I want to make sure they have our input on this topic. If we don’t speak up, they have no reason to think guild bank controls are still something players care about.

Just sitting back with the attitude of “it’s been this way for a decade” doesn’t move anything forward. I understand the skepticism, nothing has changed for a long time, but that’s not a reason to stop giving feedback. If anything, this is the best time to highlight long‑standing issues that could benefit from the QoL focus they’re putting into the game right now.

I’m not expecting miracles, but I am at least trying to get attention on something I believe needs fixing.

Reginald_leBlem · April 3

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Furyous wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

Been watching this thread going around in circles now, with an increasing lack of civility. Let's recap and get on the same page:

- Literally no one would be against adding a robust permissions-based system to guild banks. As @wolfie1.0. point out, some of us have been asking for this for a decade.

We do not have that system...yet. As GM's, we have these 3 options:

- Close the guild bank entirely and use it for auction/raffle/whatever storage.

- Have a "by request" system while locking the bank to all members

- Open the bank to whoever you want, but *know that anyone at any time can wipe the bank* and you need to live with it. Or put in a ticket and see if ZOS chooses to act.

There are permissions in place, right now, that allow you to lock the bank to any rank. Hopefully a WAY better system is coming, as ZOS has hinted at but that is what we have today.

If any of us wanna "roll the dice" by opening our banks, knowing the risk, that's on us.

My original thread wasn’t meant to start a debate about whether we should just “accept” the current system or shut the bank down. It was started to push for better bank controls. The only way the designers know what guilds actually need is if we tell them.

I’m fully aware of the current options. I’ve been running a 500‑member training guild for years, and we’ve used the existing tools as well as anyone can. But the point of this thread was never “help me manage my bank with the limited tools we have.” It was to highlight why those tools are not enough and why withdrawal limits are needed.

Workarounds aren’t the same as solutions. The whole reason to post feedback is so ZOS knows what improvements players want, not to be told we should just live with the limitations forever.

I mean ya go ahead and do so, I wont discourage you from doing it. But I feel like you missed hiyde's and my points. ZOS is and has been made well aware of rhe issue for years. Its been brought up a a Lot over the years. Even in the guide summit. And nothing has changed in over a decade.

So we aren't comming from a place where we disagree or unwillingness tk support it, but more of a place where we really doubt that anything will be done about it.

Guild bank management tools are coming this year iirc, or if not this year they are on the improvement map they put out during a recent livestream.
I feel like OP is just complaining to complain.

hiyde · April 4

Furyous wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Furyous wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

Been watching this thread going around in circles now, with an increasing lack of civility. Let's recap and get on the same page:

- Literally no one would be against adding a robust permissions-based system to guild banks. As @wolfie1.0. point out, some of us have been asking for this for a decade.

We do not have that system...yet. As GM's, we have these 3 options:

- Close the guild bank entirely and use it for auction/raffle/whatever storage.

- Have a "by request" system while locking the bank to all members

- Open the bank to whoever you want, but *know that anyone at any time can wipe the bank* and you need to live with it. Or put in a ticket and see if ZOS chooses to act.

There are permissions in place, right now, that allow you to lock the bank to any rank. Hopefully a WAY better system is coming, as ZOS has hinted at but that is what we have today.

If any of us wanna "roll the dice" by opening our banks, knowing the risk, that's on us.

My original thread wasn’t meant to start a debate about whether we should just “accept” the current system or shut the bank down. It was started to push for better bank controls. The only way the designers know what guilds actually need is if we tell them.

I’m fully aware of the current options. I’ve been running a 500‑member training guild for years, and we’ve used the existing tools as well as anyone can. But the point of this thread was never “help me manage my bank with the limited tools we have.” It was to highlight why those tools are not enough and why withdrawal limits are needed.

Workarounds aren’t the same as solutions. The whole reason to post feedback is so ZOS knows what improvements players want, not to be told we should just live with the limitations forever.

I mean ya go ahead and do so, I wont discourage you from doing it. But I feel like you missed hiyde's and my points. ZOS is and has been made well aware of rhe issue for years. Its been brought up a a Lot over the years. Even in the guide summit. And nothing has changed in over a decade.

So we aren't comming from a place where we disagree or unwillingness tk support it, but more of a place where we really doubt that anything will be done about it.

Right now ZOS seems to be in a “fix the user experience” phase, and they’ve been rolling out a lot of quality‑of‑life improvements. That’s exactly why I want to make sure they have our input on this topic. If we don’t speak up, they have no reason to think guild bank controls are still something players care about.

Just sitting back with the attitude of “it’s been this way for a decade” doesn’t move anything forward. I understand the skepticism, nothing has changed for a long time, but that’s not a reason to stop giving feedback. If anything, this is the best time to highlight long‑standing issues that could benefit from the QoL focus they’re putting into the game right now.

I’m not expecting miracles, but I am at least trying to get attention on something I believe needs fixing.

Nobody gave up on anything. As Wolfie mentioned, it was suggested yet again in the Guild Summit. It has now been acknowledged as on their list.

Continuing to ping them on the status / press the urgency - nothing wrong with that - preach!

We have controls, right now today. Basic, insufficient, not really helpful controls but they are present.

As GM's, we have the choice whether to allow people access to the bank, knowing that, if we do, any one of those people can decide at any time, to empty the entire bank because we chose to give them that power.

Personally, I made the decision long ago to use the guild bank for raffle/auction storage and not allow deposits *or* withdraws. If and when a better system comes, we may open a portion of the bank for community use. Saves the frustration of People Doing Bad Things.

Your situation is different as you are helping/training new players, so this lack of a permissions system must be especially frustrating. Either the risk is worth it to you or it isn't. There's a difference between advocating for improvement and being furyous on the forums when bad people take advantage. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

I think that's what most are trying to point out here.

wolfie1.0. · April 4

Furyous wrote: »

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Furyous wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

Been watching this thread going around in circles now, with an increasing lack of civility. Let's recap and get on the same page:

- Literally no one would be against adding a robust permissions-based system to guild banks. As @wolfie1.0. point out, some of us have been asking for this for a decade.

We do not have that system...yet. As GM's, we have these 3 options:

- Close the guild bank entirely and use it for auction/raffle/whatever storage.

- Have a "by request" system while locking the bank to all members

- Open the bank to whoever you want, but *know that anyone at any time can wipe the bank* and you need to live with it. Or put in a ticket and see if ZOS chooses to act.

There are permissions in place, right now, that allow you to lock the bank to any rank. Hopefully a WAY better system is coming, as ZOS has hinted at but that is what we have today.

If any of us wanna "roll the dice" by opening our banks, knowing the risk, that's on us.

My original thread wasn’t meant to start a debate about whether we should just “accept” the current system or shut the bank down. It was started to push for better bank controls. The only way the designers know what guilds actually need is if we tell them.

I’m fully aware of the current options. I’ve been running a 500‑member training guild for years, and we’ve used the existing tools as well as anyone can. But the point of this thread was never “help me manage my bank with the limited tools we have.” It was to highlight why those tools are not enough and why withdrawal limits are needed.

Workarounds aren’t the same as solutions. The whole reason to post feedback is so ZOS knows what improvements players want, not to be told we should just live with the limitations forever.

I mean ya go ahead and do so, I wont discourage you from doing it. But I feel like you missed hiyde's and my points. ZOS is and has been made well aware of rhe issue for years. Its been brought up a a Lot over the years. Even in the guide summit. And nothing has changed in over a decade.

So we aren't comming from a place where we disagree or unwillingness tk support it, but more of a place where we really doubt that anything will be done about it.

Right now ZOS seems to be in a “fix the user experience” phase, and they’ve been rolling out a lot of quality‑of‑life improvements. That’s exactly why I want to make sure they have our input on this topic. If we don’t speak up, they have no reason to think guild bank controls are still something players care about.

Just sitting back with the attitude of “it’s been this way for a decade” doesn’t move anything forward. I understand the skepticism, nothing has changed for a long time, but that’s not a reason to stop giving feedback. If anything, this is the best time to highlight long‑standing issues that could benefit from the QoL focus they’re putting into the game right now.

I’m not expecting miracles, but I am at least trying to get attention on something I believe needs fixing.

I think, that were things got off track. Was not your request or frustration as a whole. It was more that your approach was off. I know you have edited your original post several times. (No objections to that) but in your original post it gave the appearance, and people rightly assumed, that you had no controls whatsoever over your guild bank access and people commented accordingly.

You adjusted what you said and honestly, the request is more reasonable with how you worded it now. As prior stated, I have no complaints and agree. I think pretty much everyone here would agree with it as well.

But still, dont expect ZOS to take action anytime soon. They have a priority list, and while they are in a "fix it" and improvement phase.

Here's a good example. I recently shut down my trade guild that I was co-gm on (burned out) through various MOTD and mails I told the remaining members that the guild bank would be opened up fully except gold (not that there was anything left, but i dont want it used for gold trafficking)

Its been an interesting thing to observe. I have seen players dump exess stuff like full stacks of green provisioning recipes, and i have seen other players just clean it out fully. Its been rather fascinating to watch.