Vengeance Shadow Cloak CD is a failure

napoleonssb16_ESO

Have no issue playing ESO 2014 Vengeance in Cyrodiil. Might call it refreshing.
Made an Nb Scout Loadout and Perks, full Crit and Pen.
Everything was fine, until used Shadow Cloak in battle. Crawling like a snail in sneak speed for 3 secs, only to discover the ability has a 1 sec cooldown! Killed several times on cd, appearing 10 meters away. Guess after showing up in the middle of the enemy team on cd, m i g h t click the ability again...

Returning player, ex New World, a pleasant surprise finding Shadowy Disguise is a toggle in live; and not repeated clicking. Why not the same in Vengeance?

Abstaining from Vengeance until this class breaking implementation is taken care of. Even in the 2014 no-cd style.

LennaTheRussian

napoleonssb16_ESO wrote: »

Have no issue playing ESO 2014 Vengeance in Cyrodiil. Might call it refreshing.
Made an Nb Scout Loadout and Perks, full Crit and Pen.
Everything was fine, until used Shadow Cloak in battle. Crawling like a snail in Sneak speed for 3 secs, only to discover the ability has a 1 sec cooldown! Killed several times on cd, appearing 10 meters away. Guess after showing in the middle of the enemy team on cd, m i g h t click the ability again...

Returning player, ex New World, a pleasant surprise finding Shadowy Disguise is a toggle in live; and not repeated clicking. Why not the same in Vengeance?

Abstaining from Vengeance until this class breaking implementation is taken care of. Even in the 2014 no-cd style.

It's perfectly balanced imo. You get a free burst heal with it and players lose sight of you. Combine it with path of darkness and you sprint away as soon as you uncloak. I use it all the time and spent 30 minutes messing with players in their keep.

Having it always up would be annoying and op with no detection pots.

Vulkunne

napoleonssb16_ESO wrote: »

Have no issue playing ESO 2014 Vengeance in Cyrodiil. Might call it refreshing.
Made an Nb Scout Loadout and Perks, full Crit and Pen.
Everything was fine, until used Shadow Cloak in battle. Crawling like a snail in sneak speed for 3 secs, only to discover the ability has a 1 sec cooldown! Killed several times on cd, appearing 10 meters away. Guess after showing up in the middle of the enemy team on cd, m i g h t click the ability again...

Returning player, ex New World, a pleasant surprise finding Shadowy Disguise is a toggle in live; and not repeated clicking. Why not the same in Vengeance?

Abstaining from Vengeance until this class breaking implementation is taken care of. Even in the 2014 no-cd style.

I've used cloak previously and yeah it could use some help. I wish we could purge on cloak as it was originally intended to do.

That worked wonders and made the most sense to me.

napoleonssb16_ESO

LennaTheRussian wrote: »

napoleonssb16_ESO wrote: »

Have no issue playing ESO 2014 Vengeance in Cyrodiil. Might call it refreshing.
Made an Nb Scout Loadout and Perks, full Crit and Pen.
Everything was fine, until used Shadow Cloak in battle. Crawling like a snail in Sneak speed for 3 secs, only to discover the ability has a 1 sec cooldown! Killed several times on cd, appearing 10 meters away. Guess after showing in the middle of the enemy team on cd, m i g h t click the ability again...

Returning player, ex New World, a pleasant surprise finding Shadowy Disguise is a toggle in live; and not repeated clicking. Why not the same in Vengeance?

Abstaining from Vengeance until this class breaking implementation is taken care of. Even in the 2014 no-cd style.

It's perfectly balanced imo. You get a free burst heal with it and players lose sight of you. Combine it with path of darkness and you sprint away as soon as you uncloak. I use it all the time and spent 30 minutes messing with players in their keep.

Having it always up would be annoying and op with no detection pots.

Yes understandably is annoying without detection pots. ll try with path of darkness and come back. Somehow doesn't seem very effective vs streak or javelin.
Hopefully the final implementation is both with detection pots and no-cd.

napoleonssb16_ESO

Vulkunne wrote: »

napoleonssb16_ESO wrote: »

Have no issue playing ESO 2014 Vengeance in Cyrodiil. Might call it refreshing.
Made an Nb Scout Loadout and Perks, full Crit and Pen.
Everything was fine, until used Shadow Cloak in battle. Crawling like a snail in sneak speed for 3 secs, only to discover the ability has a 1 sec cooldown! Killed several times on cd, appearing 10 meters away. Guess after showing up in the middle of the enemy team on cd, m i g h t click the ability again...

Returning player, ex New World, a pleasant surprise finding Shadowy Disguise is a toggle in live; and not repeated clicking. Why not the same in Vengeance?

Abstaining from Vengeance until this class breaking implementation is taken care of. Even in the 2014 no-cd style.

I've used cloak previously and yeah it could use some help. I wish we could purge on cloak as it was originally intended to do.

That worked wonders and made the most sense to me.

Don't think purge on cloak is needed, is OP.

Vulkunne

napoleonssb16_ESO wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

napoleonssb16_ESO wrote: »

Have no issue playing ESO 2014 Vengeance in Cyrodiil. Might call it refreshing.
Made an Nb Scout Loadout and Perks, full Crit and Pen.
Everything was fine, until used Shadow Cloak in battle. Crawling like a snail in sneak speed for 3 secs, only to discover the ability has a 1 sec cooldown! Killed several times on cd, appearing 10 meters away. Guess after showing up in the middle of the enemy team on cd, m i g h t click the ability again...

Returning player, ex New World, a pleasant surprise finding Shadowy Disguise is a toggle in live; and not repeated clicking. Why not the same in Vengeance?

Abstaining from Vengeance until this class breaking implementation is taken care of. Even in the 2014 no-cd style.

I've used cloak previously and yeah it could use some help. I wish we could purge on cloak as it was originally intended to do.

That worked wonders and made the most sense to me.

Don't think purge on cloak is needed, is OP.

It was an original feature for the cloak and worked flawlessly. There was a time when cloak had numerous issues, perhaps it still does as I haven't really used cloak since subclassing was released, as there are better options than Shadow skill line now. But NB was in a weak place for many years, especially against Sorcs, with no burst heal, making the cloak the only real defensive option to stay in a fight but certain effects would break cloak immediately or just prevent it from working. A purge either before cloaking or sucking it up and using the Wyrd Set would purge most of this garbage and enable the cloak to work normally.

The cloak purge was necessary and it's no more OP than what the Sorcs have gotten away with for years. Sorcs and Arcanist eating well these days.

napoleonssb16_ESO

Vulkunne wrote: »

napoleonssb16_ESO wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

napoleonssb16_ESO wrote: »

Have no issue playing ESO 2014 Vengeance in Cyrodiil. Might call it refreshing.
Made an Nb Scout Loadout and Perks, full Crit and Pen.
Everything was fine, until used Shadow Cloak in battle. Crawling like a snail in sneak speed for 3 secs, only to discover the ability has a 1 sec cooldown! Killed several times on cd, appearing 10 meters away. Guess after showing up in the middle of the enemy team on cd, m i g h t click the ability again...

Returning player, ex New World, a pleasant surprise finding Shadowy Disguise is a toggle in live; and not repeated clicking. Why not the same in Vengeance?

Abstaining from Vengeance until this class breaking implementation is taken care of. Even in the 2014 no-cd style.

I've used cloak previously and yeah it could use some help. I wish we could purge on cloak as it was originally intended to do.

That worked wonders and made the most sense to me.

Don't think purge on cloak is needed, is OP.

It was an original feature for the cloak and worked flawlessly. There was a time when cloak had numerous issues, perhaps it still does as I haven't really used cloak since subclassing was released, as there are better options than Shadow skill line now. But NB was in a weak place for many years, especially against Sorcs, with no burst heal, making the cloak the only real defensive option to stay in a fight but certain effects would break cloak immediately or just prevent it from working. A purge either before cloaking or sucking it up and using the Wyrd Set would purge most of this garbage and enable the cloak to work normally.

The cloak purge was necessary and it's no more OP than what the Sorcs have gotten away with for years. Sorcs and Arcanist eating well these days.

Have no issue with negative effects while cloaking, even with Elemental Suppression everyone use. 7.5 secs intervals is a lot of time when an Expedition buff ability is used. The question is, is 3 secs enough with an Expedition ability like Path of Darkness.

Sluggy

napoleonssb16_ESO wrote: »

LennaTheRussian wrote: »

napoleonssb16_ESO wrote: »

Have no issue playing ESO 2014 Vengeance in Cyrodiil. Might call it refreshing.
Made an Nb Scout Loadout and Perks, full Crit and Pen.
Everything was fine, until used Shadow Cloak in battle. Crawling like a snail in Sneak speed for 3 secs, only to discover the ability has a 1 sec cooldown! Killed several times on cd, appearing 10 meters away. Guess after showing in the middle of the enemy team on cd, m i g h t click the ability again...

Returning player, ex New World, a pleasant surprise finding Shadowy Disguise is a toggle in live; and not repeated clicking. Why not the same in Vengeance?

Abstaining from Vengeance until this class breaking implementation is taken care of. Even in the 2014 no-cd style.

It's perfectly balanced imo. You get a free burst heal with it and players lose sight of you. Combine it with path of darkness and you sprint away as soon as you uncloak. I use it all the time and spent 30 minutes messing with players in their keep.

Having it always up would be annoying and op with no detection pots.

Yes understandably is annoying without detection pots. ll try with path of darkness and come back. Somehow doesn't seem very effective vs streak or javelin.
Hopefully the final implementation is both with detection pots and no-cd.

I'll admit that the playstyle wasn't for me. But there were a lot of good players making extremely good use it of it in each of the tests. Don't think of it as a way to escape battle. Instead, think of it as a way to gain GCD advantage on your opponent. With one skill you get to potentially avoid their next attack and heal. Cleaving skills will absolutely pull you out so you need to know what you're up against and possibly perform so real nasty juking maneuvers but at the end of the day it's still a great tool to have in any kit as long as you intend to treat every fight as a brawl like you would on any other character.