Wall: completion rate has to be sped up even more

Nemesis7884

Second half of phase 1 will take so much longer due:
- other events on agenda
- people starting to have all collectibles so will participate a lot less...
Otherwise phase 1 alone will take another 2 weeks+

BretonMage

Phase 1 should have been of the shortest duration anyway, due to the tedium of the quests. Only (if the poll on this forum is indicative) 14% of players enjoy it, which, even considering that gamers like to complain, is really low.

Titler01

My suspicion is all the collectibles don't drop right now; in particular I've been keeping an eye out for the Grave Marker, and none of the web sites list a tracked auction price for it and I've never seen one on the search sites.

But I agree with you overall, I think attendence will drop off, both with simultaneous halloween event (which does have new content) and just sheer tedium of keeping up these dailies for weeks more.

Danikat

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Second half of phase 1 will take so much longer due:
- other events on agenda
- people starting to have all collectibles so will participate a lot less...
Otherwise phase 1 alone will take another 2 weeks+

Agreed. Also people who don't expect to get all the collectibles participating less because they've done all the quests a few times and gotten bored.

Nemesis7884

Danikat wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Second half of phase 1 will take so much longer due:
- other events on agenda
- people starting to have all collectibles so will participate a lot less...
Otherwise phase 1 alone will take another 2 weeks+

Agreed. Also people who don't expect to get all the collectibles participating less because they've done all the quests a few times and gotten bored.

Yeah these events are just repetitve and boring...for some reason i always had more fun with the open area multiplayer events in gw2 and warhammer online

CoronHR

seems fine to me, since the last adjustment

LootAllTheStuff

I strongly suspect (based on my experience in Glenumbra last night) that one reason it's taking longer is because a lot of players are still focussed on the blue circles for the provisioning drops. Someone was having issues with the blue zone appearing and disappearing on their map, and no undead essences dropping from anything. The advice they were getting was to just keep opening and closing the map...

(Yes, I did tell them it didn't matter and suggested a good alternate location. Don't know if they ever tried it though.)

Danikat

I'd assume I had to stay in the circle if I hadn't seen people on the forum say otherwise. That's how other quests work and considering it's a special drop it seems reasonable the marker is showing you where to get it. Honestly ZOS should have just left it with a zone name and no map marker.

Now I'm wondering about other quest drops, like when you need to get a uniform from bandits around a camp or whatever. Maybe any bandit in the zone will work and I've just never bothered going further away because there was no need.

Gabriel_H

Danikat wrote: »

I'd assume I had to stay in the circle if I hadn't seen people on the forum say otherwise. That's how other quests work and considering it's a special drop it seems reasonable the marker is showing you where to get it. Honestly ZOS should have just left it with a zone name and no map marker.

Then people would have complained about not being able to find a concentration of mobs they deemed worthy. It was always a no-win situation for ZOS.

Gabriel_H

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Second half of phase 1 will take so much longer due:
- other events on agenda
- people starting to have all collectibles so will participate a lot less...
Otherwise phase 1 alone will take another 2 weeks+

It seems ZOS have a time frame of 2 - 2.5 weeks. The current rate should hit that even with people falling off.

Barovia87

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I'd assume I had to stay in the circle if I hadn't seen people on the forum say otherwise. That's how other quests work and considering it's a special drop it seems reasonable the marker is showing you where to get it. Honestly ZOS should have just left it with a zone name and no map marker.

Then people would have complained about not being able to find a concentration of mobs they deemed worthy. It was always a no-win situation for ZOS.

I humbly disagree. ZoS has never been above putting the quest circle over ENTIRE MAPS. I have regularly made fun of that "feature" when it crops up.

They could have just highlighted the whole map, like they've done before on quests that span huge swaths of territory.

Gabriel_H

Barovia87 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I'd assume I had to stay in the circle if I hadn't seen people on the forum say otherwise. That's how other quests work and considering it's a special drop it seems reasonable the marker is showing you where to get it. Honestly ZOS should have just left it with a zone name and no map marker.

Then people would have complained about not being able to find a concentration of mobs they deemed worthy. It was always a no-win situation for ZOS.

I humbly disagree. ZoS has never been above putting the quest circle over ENTIRE MAPS. I have regularly made fun of that "feature" when it crops up.

They could have just highlighted the whole map, like they've done before on quests that span huge swaths of territory.

Highlighting the whole map would imply the mobs can be found all over. They can't. The guide markers that are there are where the highest concentration of applicable mobs are. Meaning people would have been complaining they couldn't find said mobs.

Barovia87

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Barovia87 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I'd assume I had to stay in the circle if I hadn't seen people on the forum say otherwise. That's how other quests work and considering it's a special drop it seems reasonable the marker is showing you where to get it. Honestly ZOS should have just left it with a zone name and no map marker.

Then people would have complained about not being able to find a concentration of mobs they deemed worthy. It was always a no-win situation for ZOS.

I humbly disagree. ZoS has never been above putting the quest circle over ENTIRE MAPS. I have regularly made fun of that "feature" when it crops up.

They could have just highlighted the whole map, like they've done before on quests that span huge swaths of territory.

Highlighting the whole map would imply the mobs can be found all over. They can't. The guide markers that are there are where the highest concentration of applicable mobs are. Meaning people would have been complaining they couldn't find said mobs.

How is that functionally any different than the advice they're giving right now? They're telling people to wander the zones outside the circles, since the mobs are littered EVERYWHERE.

And again: they've done it many times before, and it didn't matter then that not EVERY mob or location was applicable to the quest. It was just meant as an indicator that you COULD find what you needed throughout the entire zone. Not that every single thing was a part of your quest.

I don't care enough to continue arguing a hypothetical about how could they have maybe done it different. Every solution has it's flaws. I still think they had better options than what they've actually done, though.

Gabriel_H

Barovia87 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Barovia87 wrote: »

Gabriel_H wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I'd assume I had to stay in the circle if I hadn't seen people on the forum say otherwise. That's how other quests work and considering it's a special drop it seems reasonable the marker is showing you where to get it. Honestly ZOS should have just left it with a zone name and no map marker.

Then people would have complained about not being able to find a concentration of mobs they deemed worthy. It was always a no-win situation for ZOS.

I humbly disagree. ZoS has never been above putting the quest circle over ENTIRE MAPS. I have regularly made fun of that "feature" when it crops up.

They could have just highlighted the whole map, like they've done before on quests that span huge swaths of territory.

Highlighting the whole map would imply the mobs can be found all over. They can't. The guide markers that are there are where the highest concentration of applicable mobs are. Meaning people would have been complaining they couldn't find said mobs.

How is that functionally any different than the advice they're giving right now? They're telling people to wander the zones outside the circles, since the mobs are littered EVERYWHERE.

No they aren't. They are saying the mobs can also be found outside the marked areas. That is not even remotely the same thing.

scrappy1342

Danikat wrote: »

I'd assume I had to stay in the circle if I hadn't seen people on the forum say otherwise. That's how other quests work and considering it's a special drop it seems reasonable the marker is showing you where to get it. Honestly ZOS should have just left it with a zone name and no map marker.

Now I'm wondering about other quest drops, like when you need to get a uniform from bandits around a camp or whatever. Maybe any bandit in the zone will work and I've just never bothered going further away because there was no need.

definitely works this way for the pick pocket quests. you do not have to be within the blue zone. i think it even mentions in the quest that the blue zone is just a suggestion. i don't think i've seen that anywhere else though. it's just plain confusing to have some blue circles mean "you MUST be here!!!" and some mean "just a suggestion" without telling us that. maybe they should use different colors or something

Gabriel_H

scrappy1342 wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I'd assume I had to stay in the circle if I hadn't seen people on the forum say otherwise. That's how other quests work and considering it's a special drop it seems reasonable the marker is showing you where to get it. Honestly ZOS should have just left it with a zone name and no map marker.

Now I'm wondering about other quest drops, like when you need to get a uniform from bandits around a camp or whatever. Maybe any bandit in the zone will work and I've just never bothered going further away because there was no need.

definitely works this way for the pick pocket quests. you do not have to be within the blue zone. i think it even mentions in the quest that the blue zone is just a suggestion. i don't think i've seen that anywhere else though. it's just plain confusing to have some blue circles mean "you MUST be here!!!" and some mean "just a suggestion" without telling us that. maybe they should use different colors or something

ESO has never spoon-fed players. There is a lot in the game that we are left to work out for ourselves.

LootAllTheStuff

Danikat wrote: »

I'd assume I had to stay in the circle if I hadn't seen people on the forum say otherwise. That's how other quests work and considering it's a special drop it seems reasonable the marker is showing you where to get it. Honestly ZOS should have just left it with a zone name and no map marker.

Now I'm wondering about other quest drops, like when you need to get a uniform from bandits around a camp or whatever. Maybe any bandit in the zone will work and I've just never bothered going further away because there was no need.

Disguises, no - definitely need to be from the correct part of the map. (Believe me, I've tried!). But those are predictably always in the same place. I'm not sure how they're doing the suggested drop zones for the current event (especially since it's a one off).

twisttop138

I think that maybe you might be incorrect in the assumption that player agency has anything to do with filling up the meters and bringing the wall down. I might also suggest that the wall was always going to come down at certain times and that the order of winners was picked beforehand. I would be very surprised if players quests did very much at all in the end. Sure maybe we're moving the meter but I believe there's very much a thumb on the scale.

Also if you're bored of the quests, then I wouldn't look at Jessica's post from yesterday outlining the coming phases. Phase 2. Same souls and camp quests and crafting. Only now the other 3 crafts are in it. 2 camps at a time will be active. That's really the bulk of it. Also the WB will be there, but only after update 48. So console will be not able to participate for 2 weeks on a boss that was already on my server. PS5 Na. I've already fought the boss. Just turn him back on lol.