kazpian's cruel signet fix?
Aglon
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Anyone else notice Kazpian's Cruel Signet set isn't proccing off blighted blast bones, detonating siphon(aoe damage portion), flames of oblivion, standard of might, etc.? I'm sure it's other abilities that's performing the same as well besides fatecarver.
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✭✭✭✭✭Necro pets don’t proc procs.
For the rest, they don’t seem to qualify as area direct damage. Last I knew, Detonating Siphon’s AoE is DoT and Flames of Oblivion is single-target direct. Standard of Might is DoT, not direct. (Shackle may be area direct damage, but you’d need the ally activating the synergy to be in Kazpian’s, as synergies are considered to be sourced from the taker.)0 -
Aglon✭✭yeah you're info is right about blastbones but the others aren't. detonating siphon is an aoe and DoT but the explosion part is considered area direct damage. Flames of oblivion is an area direct damage attack; it has a radius indicator and scales with aoe/direct damage cp's. Standard of Might is a Aoe/Dot/Direct damage ultimate, it scales with corresponding cp's as well.0
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✭✭✭✭✭yeah you're info is right about blastbones but the others aren't. detonating siphon is an aoe and DoT but the explosion part is considered area direct damage. Flames of oblivion is an area direct damage attack; it has a radius indicator and scales with aoe/direct damage cp's. Standard of Might is a Aoe/Dot/Direct damage ultimate, it scales with corresponding cp's as well.
The phrase “AoE/DoT/Direct damage” is not reflective of what happens mechanically with a multi-component skill. Each damage component of a skill is either AoE or single target and then either DoT or direct. No single component will be both DoT and direct at once (except for a major bug, like Flurry had back in 2021). Some skills have multiple components, and those components can be different in terms of these categories. When this happens, each component is buffed independently based on its own nature. For example, Dawnbreaker has an initial AoE direct damage cone that applies a single-target DoT to each enemy hit. Biting Aura and Master at Arms buff the first part of the tooltip (the direct cone) but not the second, while Deadly Aim and Thaumaturge buff the second part (the DoT) but not the first.
Standard of Might has an AoE DoT component credited to the caster, and then an AoE direct damage component that comes from the Shackle synergy if and when that is taken. No direct damage is done with this skill at all if the synergy is not taken. If the synergy is taken, that direct damage is credited to the synergy taker.
Here's UESP's skill coefficients for Standard of Might to help see the mechanics behind the two components:
You can see that the main damage component is only DoT, not direct. It is buffed by Thaumaturge but not by Master at Arms. Shackle is the only damage component of this skill that’s direct. It is buffed by Master at Arms but not by Thaumaturge. Since damage and healing done with a synergy is credited to the synergy taker, that is the only player whose Kazpian’s could get procced with this skill.
Flames of Oblivion's damage is counted as single target, presumably since it hits only a limited number of select targets (half of the AoE cap). The area shown in the skill tooltip is the eligible area from which the skill may choose its target. It is not the case that its damage is applied to the whole area and everything in it, which is what would make it an actual AoE:
I’m curious why you found Biting Aura to buff the tooltip for this skill. I’ve just checked again since this struck me as odd. I can’t get Biting Aura to buff it; Deadly Aim does so instead.
For the siphon, the initial component is DoT. The final explosion component is AoE direct, as you said, but the corpse is given credit for that explosion in the wording of the tooltip, and necro corpses are pets. (Spamming detonating siphon has reportedly caused players to reach the pet cap quite quickly.) I would be curious if this final explosion can proc other proc sets. If it can proc some but not others that should be eligible, that would be something to look into.Edited by virtus753 on September 18, 2025 5:10AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭yeah you're info is right about blastbones but the others aren't. detonating siphon is an aoe and DoT but the explosion part is considered area direct damage. Flames of oblivion is an area direct damage attack; it has a radius indicator and scales with aoe/direct damage cp's. Standard of Might is a Aoe/Dot/Direct damage ultimate, it scales with corresponding cp's as well.
Flames of Oblivion likely counts as single target direct damage, despite ESO Hub stating incorrectly that Biting Aura buffs it. It picks its targets within a radius, but it counts as single target, as the ability sends single projectiles out to each target. Think of it like Noxious Breath or Thrives In Chaos - those abilities have an initial AoE portion but ultimately they apply single target DoTs to any target hit.
For Detonating Siphon, one of 2 things is likely happening. Either the detonation is somehow counting as a DoT simply because the entire ability is coded that way, OR the detonation itself is being sourced from the Corpse, meaning it counts as Pet Damage.
Standard is a DoT. The synergy is direct damage, but the synergy is sourced from someone else, so unless they are also wearing the Signet, the synergy will not proc it.
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